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    Liberty German (13) and Abigail Williams (13) were murdered and an investigation is ongoing

    http://www.wthr.com/article/police-s...ls-near-delphi

    Police searching for two missing teenage girls near Delphi


    Abby Williams (left) and Libby German were last seen near an old railroad bridge east of Delphi Monday afternoon.

    PUBLISHED: 02/14/17 12:39 AM EST.UPDATED: ABOUT 2 HOURS AGO.
    CARROLL COUNTY, Ind. (WTHR) - Police are searching for a pair of missing 13-year-old girls near Delphi.

    Liberty "Libby" German and Abigail "Abby" Williams were last seen around 1 p.m. Monday near an abandoned railroad bridge known as the "Monon High Bridge" just outside of Delphi. The girls did not arrive at a predetermined location to meet a family member later Monday afternoon.

    Family members notified police after searching the immediate area and not finding the girls later Monday afternoon. Deputies were informed of the missing teenagers around 5:30 p.m.

    Libby is described as 5'4" with a heavy build, shoulder-length blonde hair and blue eyes. She was wearing a tie-dyed shirt that is fringed at the bottom, gray sweatpants with unknown black lettering and black Nike shoes.

    Abby is 5'4" with a small build, medium-length blonde hair and hazel eyes. She was wearing a gray zip-up sweatshirt with a burgundy t-shirt underneath and blue jeans.

    Police do not suspect foul play at this time and have no information that would lead them to believe the girls are in any danger other than being exposed to the elements outdoors.

    The sheriff's department says they looked into issuing an AMBER Alert for the teenagers, but were told the event does not meet the state's criteria to issue such an alert.

    lead police to the girls, call 911 or the Carroll County Sheriff's Office at 765-564-2413 and choose option #1.

    Below is a map of the bridge near Delphi Schools, which were out of school Monday due to a scheduled snow make-up day.
    Someone posted in the article comments that their last known location was on this bridge




    This is the last thing either of them posted



    Comment thread here

    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...content_filter

    http://mydeathspace.com/article/2017...ion_is_ongoing
    Last edited by Olivia; 02-19-2017 at 11:40 PM.

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    How did anyone get clues from Snapchat? Snapchat doesn't work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron_NYC View Post
    How did anyone get clues from Snapchat? Snapchat doesn't work.
    Only tweens know the secret code to make it work.


    Here's the local county scanner page
    https://www.facebook.com/CarrollCoun...nf&pnref=story

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    Two bodies found during search for missing Carroll County teens, foul play suspected

    http://cbs4indy.com/2017/02/14/carro...ear-old-girls/

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlawrence View Post
    Two bodies found during search for missing Carroll County teens, foul play suspected

    http://cbs4indy.com/2017/02/14/carro...ear-old-girls/
    Ugh
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    I thought the exact same thing. Poor Brennen Tammons.
    Oh well, back to gum.
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    Foul play?!?! WTF?!?
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    So terrible. I thought they were just lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bermstalker View Post
    So terrible. I thought they were just lost.
    Me, too. Or runaways.

    They were walking along a hazardous bridge. Could have slipped, fallen, broke some bones.

    But no. It's a creeper. fuck!

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    Hmmm

    Right now it is considered a 'death investigation' and is not classified as a homicide. The teens were last seen at 1pm on Monday according to RTV6.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz4YhW73CJw
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    I say suicide pact

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    Oh damn, that's so fucked up. I was hoping they just lost track of time & were going to turn up for dinner. It wasn't until after I posted that I realised they hadn't even been missing 24hrs yet (I have completely lost my ability to judge timezones). I had a bad feeling about this one though, mostly because of the way people described the girls & the community/area in general - it sounded a little like our town & because our young teens go walking on our semi-isolated nature trails, it hit home for me.

    Even if it was an accident, this is fucking awful. From what people were saying though, the bridge sounded like the only potential hazard on the local trail. If they fell they should've been found almost immediately because the search began in daylight & everyone knew they were last seen at the bridge.

    In the comments on one article last night, police called of the search after night fell & locals were meeting to go out with torches so I hope to fuck it wasn't family or friends who had to find them like that

    Also in the article comments, some people were concerned immediately because of other recently missing teens in the area (larger nearby town I think). I spent some time trying to work out who they were talking about & was going to make a thread for a couple of them too last night but didn't get around to it. I don't necessarily think they're connected, but at least 2 of them, an 18 yr old from late last year & a 14 yr old who went missing 4Feb, are of real concern. There's also a 16 yr old who is suspected to have left voluntarily with a 40yr old man in Jan. Police support the family concern for the 18yr old, but the 16 &14 yr olds are being treated as runaways. I haven't found anything but a pic & first name for the 16yr old, but there are a lot of family posts on fb for the 14yr old & I am worried for her. I'll find the names & get them posted a bit later - unless someone else has some time on their hands & wants to trawl article comments to find them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olivia View Post
    Hmmm

    Right now it is considered a 'death investigation' and is not classified as a homicide. The teens were last seen at 1pm on Monday according to RTV6.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz4YhW73CJw
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    I say suicide pact
    From press conference. They used the words "foul play" - isn't that not used with suicide?

    ?I know it?s had a terrible effect on our people and we are grieved this sort of thing would happen here in our community,? Chief Mullins said.

    As for who may be responsible for the foul play, Chief Mullins wouldn't elaborate on if there were any suspects at large.

    ?I think people are able to draw their own conclusions about this situation. And they are smart enough to figure out what this situation warrants them to think. So, that?s all we have to say about that.?
    http://www.theindychannel.com/news/c...s-its-not-good

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    Quote Originally Posted by wondery View Post
    From press conference. They used the words "foul play" - isn't that not used with suicide?



    http://www.theindychannel.com/news/c...s-its-not-good

    I feel like they are being evasive. If there was someone on the large to worry about, they would say so. That leads me to think it was only the girls involved.

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    That is really odd and I agree the message is evasive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bewitchingstorm View Post
    That is really odd and I agree the message is evasive.
    Agreed - evasive. Perhaps partly to get the message to parents and students that attend with the girls.

    The news sites were recently updated to confirm that the bodies found are the girls.

    The Delphi Community Schools Corporation sent home a letter with students on Tuesday that said the bodies found were two of their missing middle school students.

    "It is with heavy hearts that the school corporation day comes to an end. It is our understanding that the two bodies found today were those of our two missing Delphi Community Middle School students."

    The letter also said that counselors and local pastors will be available to all students and staff while they deal with the tragic situation.

    The Delphi United Methodist Church will hold a vigil tonight at 7 p.m. The church is located at 1796 US-421, Delphi, IN 46923.
    Fwiw, I stumbled on this other older Facebook page for Libby and there are only a handful of friends. Some older: https://www.facebook.com/libby.german.3

    I think this map is showing where the bodies were found - not together



    source: http://www.theindychannel.com/news/l...delphi-indiana
    Last edited by wondery; 02-14-2017 at 03:10 PM. Reason: added other FB page

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    Quote Originally Posted by wondery View Post
    Agreed - evasive. Perhaps partly to get the message to parents and students that attend with the girls.

    The news sites were recently updated to confirm that the bodies found are the girls.



    Fwiw, I stumbled on this other older Facebook page for Libby and there are only a handful of friends. Some older: https://www.facebook.com/libby.german.3

    I think this map is showing where the bodies were found - not together



    source: http://www.theindychannel.com/news/l...delphi-indiana
    Is the yellow to the left on that map the bridge? It has to be suicide by jumping from it and one floated further than the other.

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    The evasive language could also be down to the fact they called the search off when it got dark because they assumed the girls weren't in any real danger -
    & now they realise they fucked up big time & there's going to be outrage at the decision, especially if either of the girls didn't die immediately


    Also, I found the name of the missing 16 yr old. It turns out she's the cousin of the 18yr old police have concerns for


    Will post a thread for them in a sec

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olivia View Post
    Is the yellow to the left on that map the bridge? It has to be suicide by jumping from it and one floated further than the other.
    Hmm... interesting theory.

    Looks like the yellow is a road and I screen grabbed this image of the trail and it includes the bridge. We have to line it up to the coordinates.



    source: http://www.indianatrails.com/?q=cont...e-trail-delphi
    Last edited by wondery; 02-14-2017 at 03:20 PM. Reason: added source

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    Zoomed in on the map of the bridge and confirmed with another map what appears to be correct site of bridge.

    I added approximate spots bodies were found according to goindy.com map.

    Disclaimer: Obviously - I am no cartographer.

    Youtube video shows the trail and what the surroundings are like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEKbqb_szEU

    Last edited by wondery; 02-14-2017 at 03:36 PM. Reason: added yt

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olivia View Post
    Is the yellow to the left on that map the bridge? It has to be suicide by jumping from it and one floated further than the other.
    I dunno, I'm not getting that vibe this time. I think an accident is a good possibility. There were comments describing the bridge as being in a dangerous state of disrepair with gaps & no railings, despite being a part of the trail.

    People are also speculating that there are 3 figures in the background of the last pic the girls took. Personally I think they're just trees in shadow but someone was "nice" enough to post this to a family member's (possibly Liberty's mum's) fb page



    Just the shit family need shoved right in their face if they manage to get back online after this loss

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    I was going to say wouldn't the current have at least put them both on the same side of the bridge...then I saw how close the one body was to the bridge and wondered if it could have gotten snagged on a branch immediately after going off the bridge, while the other one didn't and floated downstream.


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    Quote Originally Posted by raisedbywolves View Post
    I was going to say wouldn't the current have at least put them both on the same side of the bridge...then I saw how close the one body was to the bridge and wondered if it could have gotten snagged on a branch immediately after going off the bridge, while the other one didn't and floated downstream.
    This was my thought too. If they both jumped off the left of the bridge, one could have gotten snagged straight away and the other floated under it, to the right.

    Or they could have jumped from opposite sides of the bridge.

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    Unless this is wrong, they're saying they were found upstream from the bridge. Anyone know how to figure out which way it flows?

    http://www.batesvilleheraldtribune.c...b5712c4c0.html


    There's another map here



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    So either we are looking at some very sick person who murdered 2 young girls


    Or we are looking at 2 girls who planned a suicide pack.



    Or.....a murder suicide.

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    A family member on fb just described it as an "horrific act" so it's sounding less like an accident

    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...content_filter


    Edit & how far away is Gary, IN?

    An article on this Indiana child killer/sex offender was linked in comments on an article about Liberty & Abigail. He was released earlier this month & has lived in Gary in the past. No idea were he is now & I think his earlier victims were boys so hopefully it's completely irrelevant.

    http://www.wndu.com/content/news/Con...412423373.html
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