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    Quote Originally Posted by songbirdsong View Post
    Was she aware that he had been investigated by the FBI for links to terrorism? I would think that alone would be enough that she could walk in to any police station and be taken seriously.

    I'm not passing any judgment (yet), but still.
    Considering the fact that she's been with him for 3 years and both investigations took place during that time, I'd say she had to have known. I can't imagine it's easy to hide the fact that the FBI is investigating you.

    Here's something to chew on, he wasn't on anyone's radar or known to have become radicalized until he was with her. Seems like this stuff developed after meeting her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boston Babe 73 View Post
    Considering the fact that she's been with him for 3 years and both investigations took place during that time, I'd say she had to have known. I can't imagine it's easy to hide the fact that the FBI is investigating you.

    Here's something to chew on, he wasn't on anyone's radar or known to have become radicalized until he was with her. Seems like this stuff developed after meeting her.
    indeed. I don't think the FBI knocks on your door and says we've been reading your email and we have a few questions... I could have missed it, but I don't know that I've seen anything that says they ever actually pulled him in for questioning or anything. But certainly it's possible she knew everything, may even have been the catalyst, or she could be just another victim of this guy. I'm not ready to boil tar and pluck feathers, yet.
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    Here's a terrible twist of fate story. Mateen, the killer, donated blood a few weeks before the massacre. The lab supervisor, who was "passionate about saving lives" was one of the victims killed at Pulse.

    http://www.esquire.com/news-politics...before-attack/

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    Yeah, fuck them. Ugh.
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    What's the big deal? They're offering the gays some protection.
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    Although he is correct at when a flag is suppose to be flown at half staff in this case he's just being an asshole.

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    http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/orl...t-test-n594751
    The gunman who killed 49 people at a gay nightclub in Orlando Sunday had twice taken a test used to possibly become a Florida law enforcement officer, and passed on the second attempt.

    Omar Mateen failed in his first attempt at the law enforcement Basic Abilities Test on June 24, 2011, according to Florida Department of Law Enforcement records.

    Mateen retook the test in 2014 and passed, making him eligible to enter a law enforcement academy, and possibly later become a police officer in Florida.

    Mateen, 29, was killed by police after opening fire inside the Pulse nightclub early Sunday. President Barack Obama called the shooting an act of terrorism and hate. The attack was the deadliest mass shooting in modern American history.

    Authorities are still investigating a motive, but Mateen's father said he had in the past expressed anger at the sight of two men kissing. Mateen also called police during the attack and standoff and pledged allegiance to the leader of the terror group ISIS, law enforcement officials said.

    Mateen was the subject of two FBI inquiries into Mateen in 2013 and 2014, including one full-blown investigation. The FBI investigation would have played no role in his ability to take the law enforcement test, as the results would not have been shared or available.

    Mateen had worked as a security guard. The FBI probes came after Mateen boasted to colleagues of having ties to terror groups Al Qaeda and Hezbollah.

    The comments to colleagues did prompt officials at a St. Lucie County courthouse to demand the security company remove him from a team of armed security guards there, and Mateen was transferred to a Port St. Luice resort.

    Although Mateen failed the law enforcement test in 2011, the failing score was later changed to a passing one following changes to the test made by the Department of Justice and retroactive re-scoring, according to the records.
    The Department of Justice, Office of Civil Rights, found that the test Mateen took in 2011 through the vendor I/O Solutions had certain items on the test forms that "disproportionately affect African-American and Hispanic test takers."

    The change was ordered in February of 2016. The change impacted roughly 6,500 test takers, including Mateen. By the time the change was made, Mateen had already passed the test when he retook it in 2014.

    Mateen was employed by the Florida Department of Corrections beginning in October 2007, but was involuntarily dismissed in April of 2007, the department said. He didn't complete the academic program and was never certified as a corrections officer.

    "Omar Mateen was not fit to serve as a member of the FDC team, as he was unable to meet the basic requirements of the correctional officer academy," the department said in a statement Friday.

    Also Friday, a senior law enforcement official said investigators have so far not found a gay dating app on Mateen's cell phone.

    Some men in Orlando have said that they received messages from Mateen through various dating apps, but some of those have turned out to be cases of mistaken identity, investigators say.

    However, officials still take seriously the claims by others who say they saw Mateen in the Pulse nightclub in the weeks ? and even months ? before the shooting.

    Pulse did have a surveillance video system which likely captured the attack, a law enforcement official said, and the FBI has the video.


    Friday, a family member of Mateen's wife, Noor Zahi Salman, said Salman had no involvement in the attack and was "beaten and battered by this monster."

    Another source close to Salman has said that Salman is cooperating with investigators and has volunteered to take a polygraph test.
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    The security firm that employed Orlando shooter Omar Mateen didn't give him a psychological exam after two FBI inquiries into his claims of terror ties and complaints about his odd behavior that got him transferred to a job as an unarmed ID checker at a retirement village.

    Mateen, who killed 49 people at the Pulse nightclub in Orlando last Sunday, was given an evaluation by a South Florida psychologist at the start of his tenure at the security firm G4S Security Solutions LLC in September 2007.

    But according to a company spokesman G4S never gave him another one during his nine years at the firm, despite two FBI inquiries into Mateen in 2013 and 2014, including one full-blown investigation.


    Mateen claimed to colleagues that he not only had ties to the Al Qaeda and Hezbollah terror groups, but that he was also associated with the Tsarnaev brothers, who detonated bombs at the Boston Marathon in 2013. His boasts were taken seriously enough for federal authorities to place him on a terrorist watch list for nearly a year, the FBI said earlier this week.

    They also prompted St. Lucie County Courthouse officials to demand that G4S remove Mateen from its team of armed security guards, prompting his transfer to the unarmed position at the PGA Village resort in Port St. Lucie.

    Mateen admitted making at least some of the comments, but claimed he made them in anger after courthouse colleagues harassed him about his "Middle Eastern" background, the G4S spokesman said Friday. He said Mateen claimed his transfer to PGA Village was punitive, and that he was the victim of workplace discrimination and harassment.

    Mateen had harbored dreams of being a police officer, and fought the transfer, the G4S official confirmed. "He said, I don't want to sit in a guardhouse checking IDs, I want to be around people."

    After Mateen was transferred, G4S ran a check of criminal records and when it found nothing, conducted no further checks even as it investigated his claim of workplace harassment. The FBI also closed its cases without determining that further investigation or charges were needed.

    The spokesman said G4S believed Mateen posed no further risk, in part based on its discussions with him at the time and also because the FBI had declined to investigate further.


    "They knew the FBI had been looking into it and found nothing," the spokesman said.

    G4S, one of the world's largest security firms, has been criticized in the past for failure to conduct adequate psychological screening of its employees. In 2009, a British security guard shot and killed two colleagues just hours after arriving in Iraq to start his job, and a coroner's inquiry in the UK concluded that G4S had not adequately vetted the guard, according to media reports.

    The firm's decision not to do further screening of Mateen raises questions both about how armed security guards are regulated in the United States and also about whether G4S took appropriate steps to determine whether he had become a threat or security risk, according to one congressional official monitoring the investigation into the Orlando mass shooting.

    Another former G4S employee, Daniel Gilroy, has claimed he warned the firm repeatedly that Mateen was a ticking time bomb and that it did nothing. G4S has denied that Gilroy made such complaints to company officials.

    Additional psychological screenings of Mateen wouldn't necessarily disclose evidence of the kind of emotional instability or mental health problems that could lead to violence or homicidal behavior, according to Dr. Frank Ochberg, a clinical professor of psychiatry at Michigan State University and expert on mental health and police and security issues.

    "What everyone in America wants to know is could they have detected his homicidality before he became homicidal, and that kind of behavior doesn't necessarily contribute to what he ultimately did," Ochberg said of Mateen's alleged rants and threats that prompted his transfer and the FBI inquiries.

    "But private security firms have a very high obligation to be as scrupulous as police agencies in evaluating their personnel and not putting trust and weaponry in the hands of people who may be mentally ill or of suspicious character," said Ochberg, a former consultant to the FBI and Secret Service on security issues.

    "So when somebody is being evaluated as part of a private security firm and that firm knows that they've been investigated and the person claims, 'It's nothing, I was just jerking them around,' it's an extremely worrisome sign that demands further investigation and screening."
    http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/orl...probes-n594516
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    It holds no bearing on this story, but I'm curious about what the questions on that test were:

    I/O Solutions had certain items on the test forms that "disproportionately affect African-American and Hispanic test takers."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boston Babe 73 View Post
    It holds no bearing on this story, but I'm curious about what the questions on that test were:
    Yeah.
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    It looks like the shooter sold his 165,000 dollar home to his BIL for 100 bucks a few weeks before the shooting.

    Hummm
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...sacre-100.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by bermstalker View Post
    It looks like the shooter sold his 165,000 dollar home to his BIL for 100 bucks a few weeks before the shooting.

    Hummm
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...sacre-100.html

    He also gave his wife access to his money and put her down as the beneficiary on his life insurance. Not sure she will be collecting on that though....

    http://www.businessinsider.com/the-o...ppeared-2016-6

    The gunman who killed 49 people at a gay Orlando nightclub early on Sunday morning apparently prepared for his own death before the shooting.

    Omar Mateen, 29, added his wife, 30-year-old Noor Salman, to his life-insurance policy and gave her access to his bank accounts, CNN reported on Friday, citing unidentified law-enforcement sources.

    Now, Salman has left the area where the couple lived, according to the Sun Sentinel.

    She's "no longer here," Omar Mateen's father, Seddique, told reporters outside of his Fort Pierce, Florida, home on Wednesday.

    Salman was reportedly living with Mateen's father in Fort Pierce when her husband attacked the nightclub. Public records list her most recent address ? presumably where she lived with Mateen after they married in 2013 ? as a 15-minute drive from his father's home in Fort Pierce.

    But Seddique told reporters that Salman was no longer in the area, either.

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    I saw that on Sunday. Thanks to the Sunshine laws in Florida, it was easy to find.

    Surprised that the media has not made more of it before now.

    As of Sunday, the mortgage still had not been recorded as paid, so the mortgage holder should still hold title to the home.

    FBI has to be looking at this to see if the was cash flowing between the parties.

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    Vid, on my phone sorry for link; https://youtu.be/fDzAUqphaXU

    CIA: Orlando shooter had no connection to ISIS

    I didn't want to post it, because I didn't think anyone was that ignorant. Also, calling Bowie a slut doesn't further any argument.

    I'm sure the wife had concerns, but who knows what her home life was like. She had some knowledge, but would you really think your partner capable? I don't think we can judge her until theirs some sort of 'she backed it' info. Knowing and backing it are two different things, this man killed 49 people, who knows what he was capable of at home. It would take a ballsy SOB to actually know their husband was capable and to try and get in the way of said plans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boston Babe 73 View Post
    It holds no bearing on this story, but I'm curious about what the questions on that test were:
    There has notoriously been issues with many types of iq tests and other standardized tests that are written in a way that don't take cultural upbringing into account and are biased towards middle class white people. Lots of kids were being put into the special education classes because of the issue. Generally, the stuff relates to experiences you wouldn't have ever been exposed to if you come from certain communities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daisylane View Post
    Vid, on my phone sorry for link; https://youtu.be/fDzAUqphaXU

    CIA: Orlando shooter had no connection to ISIS

    I didn't want to post it, because I didn't think anyone was that ignorant. Also, calling Bowie a slut doesn't further any argument.

    I'm sure the wife had concerns, but who knows what her home life was like. She had some knowledge, but would you really think your partner capable? I don't think we can judge her until theirs some sort of 'she backed it' info. Knowing and backing it are two different things, this man killed 49 people, who knows what he was capable of at home. It would take a ballsy SOB to actually know their husband was capable and to try and get in the way of said plans.
    Texting "I love you" while he was in the middle of shooting them down seems a bit supportive to me
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    Quote Originally Posted by daisylane View Post
    Vid, on my phone sorry for link; https://youtu.be/fDzAUqphaXU

    CIA: Orlando shooter had no connection to ISIS

    I didn't want to post it, because I didn't think anyone was that ignorant. Also, calling Bowie a slut doesn't further any argument.

    I'm sure the wife had concerns, but who knows what her home life was like. She had some knowledge, but would you really think your partner capable? I don't think we can judge her until theirs some sort of 'she backed it' info. Knowing and backing it are two different things, this man killed 49 people, who knows what he was capable of at home. It would take a ballsy SOB to actually know their husband was capable and to try and get in the way of said plans.
    The slut thing was an old 70s SNL joke reference.

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    "Impatient female driver crashes her car into the middle of a funeral procession for victim of Orlando massacre when trying to bypass it, injuring two cops"

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-two-cops.html

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    What a douche.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slim View Post
    Here's a terrible twist of fate story. Mateen, the killer, donated blood a few weeks before the massacre. The lab supervisor, who was "passionate about saving lives" was one of the victims killed at Pulse.

    http://www.esquire.com/news-politics...before-attack/
    The IRONY of this. You couldn't make this stuff up. Maybe M. Night Shyamalan could. Idk. What a bizarre coincidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daisylane View Post
    Vid, on my phone sorry for link; https://youtu.be/fDzAUqphaXU

    CIA: Orlando shooter had no connection to ISIS

    I didn't want to post it, because I didn't think anyone was that ignorant. Also, calling Bowie a slut doesn't further any argument.

    I'm sure the wife had concerns, but who knows what her home life was like. She had some knowledge, but would you really think your partner capable? I don't think we can judge her until theirs some sort of 'she backed it' info. Knowing and backing it are two different things, this man killed 49 people, who knows what he was capable of at home. It would take a ballsy SOB to actually know their husband was capable and to try and get in the way of said plans.
    I agree that most of us wouldn't think our partner capable...but only because most of our partners AREN'T capable. But when your partner had been investigated by the FBI, fired from jobs for being whackadoo, driving around casing potential targets, and buying assault weapons, well. I'm more inclined to say that it takes a stupid SOB not to see where it was going. I mean, this goes well beyond an occasional "whyIoughtakillem" rant.

    What I'd like to know is whether she knew he'd been going to gay bars.
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    Friday, a family member of Mateen's wife, Noor Zahi Salman, said Salman had no involvement in the attack and was "beaten and battered by this monster."

    Found this in one of the articles above. It explains heaps to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FamousLastWords View Post
    "Impatient female driver crashes her car into the middle of a funeral procession for victim of Orlando massacre when trying to bypass it, injuring two cops"

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-two-cops.html
    I'm not sure whether I should laugh at this a little, or a lot.
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