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    I just wanted to add my opinion on this. People often call suicide selfish, and I can understand how they feel this way, but I see it differently. If you expect somebody who does not want to wake up every morning to keep on living to spare their loved ones grief, is that not selfish of you? People call suicide a "permanent solution to a temporary problem", but what if there are issues that won't go away? What if somebody was born with a birth defect or maimed in some sort of accident? What if the quality of one's life is so diminished that there is no chance of them ever feeling content again?

    There are moments that you never forget, memories so intense that you can remember the smell of the air, the deepest subconcious feelings you were having... What if you are so far gone that you are certain you will never make these sorts of memories again? I am in no way telling every depressed person on Earth to kill themselves, but I know the pain that they feel, and I understand where they are coming from. I never feel bad when somebody kills themself, as bad is at may sound, their problems are gone. I sincerely hope that were I to ever end my life, people would understand and not detest me for it.

    There is more to suicide than a lot of people think. It usually isn't an impulsive decision. You hear cases of people shooting themselves on the spot after getting dumped by their significant others or offing themselves in a spectacular fashion, but the news is built on sensationalism. Suicide is an intimate thing, it can be seen as almost symbolic rather than a true act, the people are already "dead", they are simply ending their physical existence. I understand that I'm young and still have a lot to learn in the world, and I apologize if I'm coming off as pseudo-intellectual, but I've been looking at this thread for a long time contemplating whether or not to add my opinion.

    To anybody here that may be contemplating suicide: Go into it knowing that you WILL be hurting people whether or not that is your intention. You will be relieving yourself of your pain, but your loved ones will have to go on knowing that you took your own life and they couldn't stop you. Nobody knows what goes on in your mind, so nobody can rightfully pass judgement on your decision. Barring religious beliefs, you only live one time, so I urge you to think long and hard if you are truly sure that you want to end your life. You may feel constant pain and dread, but are you really going to be okay with it? Are you willing to give up seeing insects crawling outdoors, the feeling of air on your skin, the glow of car lights in the distance? When you are gone, each and every thing that you have ever experienced goes with you*, and while you are ending your suffering, you are also voiding the good times that you had. Your first breath... your first steps... everything is over. If you are really certain that this is what you want, I hope that it is a minor comfort knowing that I understand.

    *Going strictly by science, disregarding any religious beliefs

    This being said, in my lifetime I have never experienced the loss of a loved one due to suicide, but my mother has and it is still very hard on her every day.
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    Felt that I should add that I was compelled to post this because somebody that I used to go to school with killed himself a couple of years back. I hadn't seen him in seven years, but we were pretty close friends when we were young, and I was pretty shocked to read his name in the obituaries. I just noticed a memorial page had been set up for him on FaceBook, and I thought of this thread, so I came here to post.
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    I'm so tired. I love what you posted Gram. The parts of me that respond to it totally get it. Thanks for sharing with us.
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    Gram, I feel the same way - it seems those that are left behind are infinitely more selfish than those that just can't deal with life (Or don't want to ) anymore. If I even went into minor details of the last 5 years of my stepfather's life before his suicide, I bet anyone that looks down on those who commit suicide would seriously have to change their own perceptions of the act. It definitely isn't a black-and-white issue as so many people want to make it out to be.

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    Gram I agree with you as well. My cousin Johnny shot himself on Monday night. It's been a constant battle. I'm sad for his mother and father. I can't say I've never been that hopeless. I can't say that I don't understand. I do. All to well. I've lost 3 other friends by suicide, this past year alone. And it never gets easier. But I do understand. I get it. The racing thoughts and constant self-hate has ended. They are at peace now. The war in their minds is finally gone. However, the pain I feel in my heart for these children that are dying by suicide, absolutely kills me. They haven't even lived yet. Is this a new epidemic for children?? These are the ones that leave me with questions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RemmyRuger View Post
    Gram I agree with you as well. My cousin Johnny shot himself on Monday night. It's been a constant battle. I'm sad for his mother and father. I can't say I've never been that hopeless. I can't say that I don't understand. I do. All to well. I've lost 3 other friends by suicide, this past year alone. And it never gets easier. But I do understand. I get it. The racing thoughts and constant self-hate has ended. They are at peace now. The war in their minds is finally gone. However, the pain I feel in my heart for these children that are dying by suicide, absolutely kills me. They haven't even lived yet. Is this a new epidemic for children?? These are the ones that leave me with questions.
    I am so sorry for your loss. Big, BIG hugs your way.
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    thank you. that means a lot. :(

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    Very sorry for your loss Remmy.

    I was wondering if anyone ever expierenced feeling like they don't want to live, but not be severly depressed about it? Or maybe met someone like that? Just knowing that life isn't for you even though you can laugh at things and enjoy things?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morbid_much View Post
    Very sorry for your loss Remmy.

    I was wondering if anyone ever expierenced feeling like they don't want to live, but not be severly depressed about it? Or maybe met someone like that? Just knowing that life isn't for you even though you can laugh at things and enjoy things?
    Thank you very much.
    To be honest Morbid, I have and do at times. I can totally relate to that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morbid_much View Post
    Very sorry for your loss Remmy.

    I was wondering if anyone ever expierenced feeling like they don't want to live, but not be severly depressed about it? Or maybe met someone like that? Just knowing that life isn't for you even though you can laugh at things and enjoy things?
    That's pretty much my state of being around the clock. I've always felt "empty", kind of having a lack of emotions when I should be emotional (the death of pets, extended family etc.) and I finally went to see a psychiatrist a few months back. Turns out I'm schizotypal and although he feels this is overdiagnosed, mildly autistic. My maternal grandmother shot herself when my mother was pregnant with me, and she has told me how I was her "savior", and that she probably would have killed herself had she not been pregnant with me. Because of this, I have always told myself that I would never kill myself while my mother is alive, but the day that she dies is the day that I die. I don't get all sad and angry at things and I view suicide as a fact of life. I feel the same away about ending my life as I do about brushing my teeth or using the microwave: I'm indifferent. It just is to be.

    I find humor in a lot of things, I can spend hours with my mother and laugh the entire time, but I'm never really happy.

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    Thank you both for your answers. Sorry I didn't react sooner Remmy. But It's kind of a relieve to know I'm not the only one feeling like this.

    What you wrote about not wanting to kill yourself because of your mother is very recognizable Gram, same with the whole being indifferent about ending your life. I also do not want to hurt my parents, they don't deserve that. But from my point of view it wouldn't be such a big deal. I tried living, I tried liking it and I feel like I'm still trying but it's not working, so let's just be done with it then. But as long as they are alive, I won't. So I just try to enjoy the small things and, like you said, find humor in a lot of things.

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    No worries! What keeps me here is total fear of what would happen to my family and my boyfriend and also cutting my life short. For instance, if only she held out longer... I keep holding on for something to change. Etc. Not being around to watch my nieces grow and not giving myself the chance to have my own children.
    Sometimes I get jealous of people that died not by there own doing. The ones that didn't have to make the decision. I don't think jealous is really the word I'm looking for though. It's hard for me to explain, but maybe you guys get it. I'm not sure. It sounds horrible. I get really nervous trying to say it out loud and explain it because people think I'm crazy. I really hope I am making some sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RemmyRuger View Post
    No worries! What keeps me here is total fear of what would happen to my family and my boyfriend and also cutting my life short. For instance, if only she held out longer... I keep holding on for something to change. Etc. Not being around to watch my nieces grow and not giving myself the chance to have my own children.
    Sometimes I get jealous of people that died not by there own doing. The ones that didn't have to make the decision. I don't think jealous is really the word I'm looking for though. It's hard for me to explain, but maybe you guys get it. I'm not sure. It sounds horrible. I get really nervous trying to say it out loud and explain it because people think I'm crazy. I really hope I am making some sense.
    It makes TOTAL send
    Passive suicidal ideation is the technical term for it. That desire to "not be here" but not to the point where you would act on it.

    I know there are a lot of people who would disagree with me, but I have to say that for all of you guys, I really think looking into therapy and/or medication could help. I know the feeling you are talking about, I lived with it for years. Finding my "magic bullet" has made living worthwhile, and I can feel happy most of the time. I know many people talk about not "relying" on medication, but honestly without zoloft I would be dead, no question. Its something my body needs the way diabetics need insulin, and I am ok with that.
    Please know you guys ( Gram, Remmy Morbid) can come here and talk anytime. There are good people here who will listen and care
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    Quote Originally Posted by RemmyRuger View Post
    No worries! What keeps me here is total fear of what would happen to my family and my boyfriend and also cutting my life short. For instance, if only she held out longer... I keep holding on for something to change. Etc. Not being around to watch my nieces grow and not giving myself the chance to have my own children.
    Sometimes I get jealous of people that died not by there own doing. The ones that didn't have to make the decision. I don't think jealous is really the word I'm looking for though. It's hard for me to explain, but maybe you guys get it. I'm not sure. It sounds horrible. I get really nervous trying to say it out loud and explain it because people think I'm crazy. I really hope I am making some sense.
    I get the whole keep holding on for a change. I did that for a long time, and a part of me still does. But I just keep coming back to it's not going to work. I feel very weak about it. Like I've stopped living my life and now I'm just going through the motions waiting for it to end. I don't see a future, not in love, work, kids, achievements or adding something to the world. It feels like I've failed myself and I feel like shit because of it. It's like a circle I just can't get out of. I'm so tired of it. But I don't want to complain. I feel I have no right to. Other people have been through a lot more than me. And, just like you, I don't want others to think I'm crazy or weak, So I just put on my happy face.

    And yes, I totally get the jealousy thing. It would be so much easier if the choice was made for you. People staying behind wouldn't have questions and wouldn't be mad at you.

    Do you know what you want to change? or is it more a feeling of wanting something more and not knowing what it is? I'm glad to hear you have things to live for, It's hard enough to feel this way so it's good that you have someone you love, I hope he supports you with these feelings.



    Quote Originally Posted by Monter View Post
    It makes TOTAL send
    Passive suicidal ideation is the technical term for it. That desire to "not be here" but not to the point where you would act on it.

    I know there are a lot of people who would disagree with me, but I have to say that for all of you guys, I really think looking into therapy and/or medication could help. I know the feeling you are talking about, I lived with it for years. Finding my "magic bullet" has made living worthwhile, and I can feel happy most of the time. I know many people talk about not "relying" on medication, but honestly without zoloft I would be dead, no question. Its something my body needs the way diabetics need insulin, and I am ok with that.
    Please know you guys ( Gram, Remmy Morbid) can come here and talk anytime. There are good people here who will listen and care
    I hope you can feel better
    Thank you

    I've had a lot of therapy. I've had appointments with a therapist, I have been in group therapy twice a week for a year, I have admitted myself to a facility that specialized in my problems for a year and a half. Did a year of follow up therapy when I got out of there and now I have appointments with a life coach. And although some things have improved, I never started to like life.

    I wouldn't have a problem with relying on medication. If that's what you need then you should take it. But I don't feel like that's going to make my problems go away. One of my biggest problems is that I really dont feel comfortable being around other people. So I usually avoid that. And although being on my own is easier, it does get lonely. I feel detached from the rest of the world. I go outside because I have to walk my dog and I have to do shopping, but I hate it, not because of being outside, but because there are people there. And since they are kinda everywhere I'd rather stay inside all the time. I don't want to live like this but I just don't think that there is a pill out there that will make me feel comfortable around other people.
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    I want the anxiety to stop, the constant racing thoughts and the feelings of loneliness even when I'm surrounded by people. I have extreme social anxiety as well and I have wicked low self esteem and constant self doubt. I have taken medication and I'm currently in therapy. I've had addiction problems as well and I've been clean for almost 2 years. It's a struggle constantly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RemmyRuger View Post
    I want the anxiety to stop, the constant racing thoughts and the feelings of loneliness even when I'm surrounded by people. I have extreme social anxiety as well and I have wicked low self esteem and constant self doubt. I have taken medication and I'm currently in therapy. I've had addiction problems as well and I've been clean for almost 2 years. It's a struggle constantly.
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    The 4 year "anniversary" of my friends suicide is coming up in a few weeks. I posted here when it first happened. And to be honest it still hasn't gotten any easier. I still think about him all time. I run through so many emotions. I am still so angry with him that he did't talk to anyone about how he felt. I am angry that he left his little girl in this world without a father. I am so sad that he is not here to laugh with. I feel so guilty laughing at things I know that he would have laughed the hardest at. I see everyone in pain because he missed his sisters and at least 3 of his good friends weddings. I just miss him and I wish things went differently. I wish I could let go of some of the anger and guilt I feel. I know most of you here say that the person who has left us was the one who was suffering and they are at peace now but it sure doesn't feel that way to me.

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    I have a history of suicides in the family. I attempted to OD at 12.

    Read this a few weeks ago and it really chimed with me http://www.cnn.co.uk/2012/08/21/heal...ott/index.html - in particular one of the comments, from Andled.

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