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    Freddie Gray Dies After Spine Severed in Police Custody

    More than a week after Freddie Gray was arrested in Baltimore, and a day since he died, authorities are still scrambling to find out exactly what happened and why.

    "I'll tell you what I do know, and right now there's still a lot of questions I don't know. I know that when Mr. Gray was placed inside that van, he was able to talk. He was upset. And when Mr. Gray was taken out of that van, he could not talk, and he could not breathe," Baltimore Deputy Police Commissioner Jerry Rodriguez told reporters Monday.

    He spoke the same day an autopsy was done on the body of Gray, which showed that he died from a severe injury to his spinal cord. "What we don't know, and what we need to get to, is how that injury occurred," Rodriguez said.

    The Baltimore Police Department is investigating the death, and has asked for calm as the process unfolds. But many in the community, including the city's mayor, are angry.

    "This is a very, very tense time for Baltimore City, and I understand the community's frustration. I understand it because I'm frustrated. I'm angry that we are here again -- that we have had to tell another mother that their child is dead," Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake told reporters. "I'm frustrated not only that we're here, but we don't have all of the answers."

    Officers suspended
    Police Commissioner Anthony Batts said that police plan to conclude their investigation by Friday, May 1. From there, the case will go to the state's attorney's office, which will decide whether or not to file.

    Gray was arrested a week ago Sunday. He "gave up without the use of force," according to Rodriguez.

    An officer apparently took his Taser out, and was prepared to use it on Gray, but he never deployed it.

    "None of the officers describe using any force against Mr. Gray," said the deputy police commissioner.

    A total of six officers were involved in the arrest, and all six have been suspended.

    Weapon charge
    According to documents obtained Monday, Gray was arrested on a weapon charge.

    While the court documents allege that Baltimore Police Department Officer Garrett Miller arrested Gray after finding a switchblade in his pocket, the Gray family attorney called the allegation a "sideshow." Gray was carrying a "pocket knife of legal size," attorney William Murphy told CNN.

    Police never saw the knife and chased Gray only after he took off running, the attorney said.

    That seems substantiated by the court documents, which said Gray "fled unprovoked upon noticing police presence."

    "The officer noticed a knife clipped to the inside of his front right pants pocket. The defendant was arrested without force or incident," the documents say. "The knife was recovered by this officer and found to be a spring assisted, one-hand-operated knife."

    Maryland law makes it illegal to "wear or carry a dangerous weapon of any kind concealed on or about the person," including switchblades.

    But Baltimore's mayor stressed that simply having a knife is not necessarily a crime.

    "It is not necessarily probable cause to chase someone. So, we still have questions," said Rawlings-Blake.

    Timeline sparks questions
    Gray's death Sunday, following a week of hospitalization, has spurred outrage. At a Monday morning protest outside the Baltimore Police Department, demonstrators co-opted slogans from other high-profile police shootings. They chanted -- "Hands up! Don't shoot!" and "I can't breathe!" -- and carried signs saying, "Stop police terror" and "Black lives matter."

    Sharon Black, one of the rally's organizers, said police misconduct is routine in Baltimore, and described Gray's death as the "straw that broke the camel's back."

    "The police act in an unrestrained and abusive way," she said.

    Sharon Black who helped put rally together talks about the relationship btwn pd and community #cnn #FreddieGray pic.twitter.com/cOjj7AqSf5

    Gray was in perfect health until police chased and tackled him in Baltimore over a week ago, his lawyer said. Less than an hour later, he was on his way to a trauma clinic with a spinal injury, where he fell into a coma.

    Two witnesses hit record on their cell phones during what looked to be the 25-year-old's arrest. Police told CNN affiliate WJZ that they also have surveillance video of him.

    But there appears to be a gap of some minutes left to account for. Police, according to their own timeline, spotted Gray, gave chase, caught him, cuffed him and requested a paddy wagon in fewer than 4 minutes. The transport van left with Gray about 11 minutes after that, police said, and another 30 minutes passed before "units request paramedics to the Western District to transport the suspect to an area hospital."

    Gray died Sunday, a full week after the encounter.

    Police encounter
    When cell phones began recording, Gray was already on the ground with three officers kneeling over him. And he let out long, painful screams.

    Officers had encountered him a minute earlier, police said. They were working an area where drug deals and other crimes are common, Deputy Police Commissioner Rodriguez said.

    They thought Gray may have been involved in a crime, but there was no evidence that he committed a crime, Gray family attorney Murphy said, and WJZ reported last week that police had not said what their suspicion was.

    "Officers were working in an area that is known for violent crime and drug sales. Officers went to make an encounter with Mr. Gray when he fled from them," Baltimore Police Department spokesman, Capt. Eric Kowalczyk, said Sunday.

    Police brutality not on rise; coverage is

    Pressed on why police initially stopped Gray, Kowalczyk said the department hadn't released that information because investigators are still conducting interviews.

    Painful wailing
    When officers approached Gray, he ran. They pursued and caught him quickly, at 8:40 a.m., according to a police timeline.

    The officers called for a prisoner transport van. Cell phone video taken from two separate positions showed officers lifting Gray, whose hands were cuffed, up by his shoulders and dragging him to the back of the van.

    He legs dangled behind him listlessly as he wailed.

    Officers put more restraints on Gray inside the van, police said, while surveillance video recorded him conscious and talking.

    The 30 minutes
    That was at 8:54 a.m.

    At 9:24 a.m., police called an ambulance to pick Gray up at the Western District police station. Murphy wants to know what happened in those 30 minutes in between.

    At some point after his arrest, Gray requested medical attention, said Rodriguez, the deputy police commissioner. Gray also asked for an inhaler, Rodriguez said.

    The ambulance took Gray to the University of Maryland Medical Center's Shock Trauma Center.

    "He lapsed into a coma, died, was resuscitated, stayed in a coma and on Monday underwent extensive surgery at Shock Trauma to save his life," Murphy said. "He clung to life for seven days."

    Tubes, wires and supports protruded from Gray as he lay in his hospital bed in a photo Murphy passed on to the media.

    Officers and Gray investigated
    Rawlings-Blake said that she wants to see a thorough inquiry and that the city will release additional details as investigations are completed.

    There will be two criminal investigations, said Deputy Commissioner Rodriguez: one to determine if the arresting officers broke the law, and one that pertains to Gray.

    Police have not grilled the arresting officers on what happened for legal reasons, Rodriguez said.

    "We cannot interview an officer administratively and compel them, if an officer is the subject of the criminal investigation. Every person has the right against self-incrimination, so for us to compel an officer to provide a statement, that could potentially taint the criminal investigation," he said.

    Investigators will submit their results to an independent review board, he said. There will also be a separate administrative investigation.

    Family declined meeting
    Police officials have attempted to speak with Gray's relatives to explain the investigation process, Police Commissioner Batts said.

    But they have declined to meet.

    "A mother has lost her son," Batts said, extending his condolences to the family.

    He hopes that in interactions between police and residents, everyone goes home safely, he said. "All lives matter."

    Gray had a long history of run-ins with the law. A search of his name brings up more than 20 cases in the Maryland judiciary going back to 2007. They're mostly drug-related charges, though he was charged with second-degree assault, according to court documents.

    He also spent a month in prion in 2013 for drug possession, and he was due in court Friday on another possession charge, Shields said.

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    Freddie Gray (25) died after being arrested, prompting riots in Baltimore



    When Freddie Gray briefly locked eyes with police at 8:39 a.m. on a corner of an impoverished West Baltimore neighborhood two weeks ago, they seemed to recognize each other immediately. As three officers approached on bicycles along West North Avenue, the 25-year-old Gray was on the east corner of North Mount Street chatting with a friend, according to Shawn Washington, who frequents the block.

    "Ay, yo, here comes Time Out," a young man on the opposite corner yelled, using a neighborhood term for police.

    Gray swore, taking off on foot as the officers began hot-stepping on their pedals to catch up. One officer jumped off his bike to chase Gray on foot, police said.

    "That was the last time I seen that man moving," said Washington, 48.

    Investigators with the city police and other agencies are still trying to recreate the events of the next 45 minutes, during which Gray sustained a severe and ultimately fatal spinal cord injury while in police custody.

    But in its own investigation, The Baltimore Sun found that police missed the opportunity to examine some evidence that could have shed light on events. For example, by the time police canvassed one neighborhood looking for video from security cameras, a convenience store camera pointed at a key intersection had already taped over its recordings of that morning.

    The Sun also found that accounts from residents conflicted with the official version of events, including a police account that Gray's arrest was made "without force or incident."


    City officials have released a partial timeline of the events of April 12, and investigators have focused on his stop-and-go, roundabout trip through the city in the metal cage of a police transport van. A lieutenant, a sergeant and four other officers involved in Gray's arrest and transport have been suspended with pay pending the results of the police investigation.

    Still, much of what happened to Gray on the cool, partly cloudy and breezeless morning of April 12 remains a mystery.

    Officials have declined to provide 911 call recordings related to Gray's arrest or injury, citing the open investigation, and police have declined to provide dispatch recordings that would contain any conversations between officers and dispatchers while Gray was in custody. The timeline for when and where the van stopped remains incomplete, and no time has been provided for the van's last stop, back on North Avenue for another pickup before its arrival at the Western District police station.

    Insights into the critical minutes between Gray's arrest and the call for paramedics can be gleaned from residents who said they observed several interactions the police had with him.

    Taken collectively, they make clear that Gray's arrest and transport were perceived as being wholly out of the ordinary ? even in an area where the drug trade makes an arrest a common occurrence.

    'Folded up'

    The reason Gray was chased by police remains unclear. Police have said it came in part because he ran, raising officers' suspicions in an area known for drug dealing. A police report on the arrest states that Gray "fled unprovoked" and that an illegal switchblade knife was later found on him but provides no other reason for the pursuit.

    Neighborhood accounts vary on where Gray ran before reaching Presbury Street and being apprehended by police.

    Washington said Gray dipped into "the cut" just south of West North Avenue, an alley that breaks into several directions in the center of a partially boarded-up block of rowhouses. It's a place strewn with broken liquor bottles, adjacent to backyards where dogs still keep watch.

    Others say Gray ran straight south down Mount Street.

    Deputy Commissioner Kevin Davis said Friday that one officer on foot and two on bikes chased Gray "through several streets, several housing complexes," before arresting him. "It's a foot chase and it's a long one."

    Still, the arrest occurred just one minute after the initial contact, according to the police timeline.

    Community outrage over the arrest has been fueled by videos showing Gray ? listed on the police report at 5-foot-8 and 145 pounds ? on the ground before being dragged to the police van. Neighborhood residents and police agree that the videos don't show the whole story, though.

    Kevin Moore, a 28-year-old friend of Gray's from Gilmor Homes, said he rushed outside when he heard Gray was being arrested and saw him "screaming for his life" with his face planted on the ground. One officer had his knee on Gray's neck, Moore said, and another was bending his legs backward.

    "They had him folded up like he was a crab or a piece of origami," Moore said. "He was all bent up."

    Into the van

    At 8:42 a.m., police requested a transport van at the scene.

    At that point Gray, who had asthma, asked for an inhaler, but Moore said police ignored the request.


    Batts has said Gray's trouble breathing was not given the proper attention at "one or two" of the van's subsequent stops.

    As Gray screamed and word spread, residents began to pour out of nearby homes. Alethea Booze, 71, who has lived along Mount Street just north of Presbury all her life, said she was cooking in her kitchen when she heard Gray "hollering" outside. Booze, a retired Northrop Grumman production coordinator, had a stroke some years ago and moves slowly, but made it outside nonetheless.

    A crowd had started to form, she said, and there was Gray, who used to call her "Mama" and run errands for her to the corner store, lying handcuffed on the ground.

    Booze said she winced as police hoisted Gray. His legs appeared broken to her, though police have said Gray suffered no broken bones. Bystanders got more vocal. "Call the ambulance!" Booze remembers saying as police tried to disperse the crowd.

    "Police were telling everyone to leave because they didn't want anyone taping," Booze said. "They got real smart and nasty."


    At least three cameras mounted on the Gilmor Homes buildings overlook the location, along a low stone wall on the edge of a courtyard. Police have released some footage, but it showed little of the arrest.

    In a bystander's video Gray is shown being pulled to the van, his feet dragging, before standing briefly on his own as he's placed inside the van.

    Police said he was upset ? but also breathing and talking.

    Michael Robertson, 27, said his friend ? who had a record of drug arrests ? ran because he "had a history with that police beating him."

    Placed in shackles

    One block south and four minutes later, at 8:46 a.m. at Mount and Baker streets, the van stopped because Gray was acting "irate," police said. Police have also said that paperwork had to be filled out, though they have not provided more detail.

    Gray was taken out of the van so officers could place leg shackles on him. Police have said he was not buckled into the van with a seat belt afterward, even though that is required by department policy.

    Shouts at the scene brought Tobias Sellers and others running down the street.

    Sellers, 59, who is Booze's brother and lives on the same block, said he was among those who started moving toward Gray, and saw police beating him. "They were taking their black batons, whatever they are, and hitting him," Sellers said.

    From inside her Gilmor Homes apartment, which overlooks the street north of Baker, Jacqueline Jackson, 53, heard "a big commotion" as she was washing dishes.

    She lifted her blinds and window and peered out, looking down on the van. Gray, she said, looked unresponsive. Officers were moving quickly to get him back in the van as people ran down the street from Presbury, Jackson said.

    "They lifted him up by his pants, and he wasn't responding, and they threw him in that paddy wagon," Jackson said. "It wasn't like they took him out to see what was going on with him. ? I said, 'Call the paramedics!'"

    She added, "I could see everything. They're lying. The police are lying."

    Police have said that a preliminary report on Gray's autopsy showed he had no injuries except to his spinal cord. No evidence of kicks, punches or other beatings. No evidence of broken limbs.

    Four cameras mounted on the Gilmor Homes buildings overlook the Mount and Baker intersection, but footage released by police has shown little of the officers' interactions with Gray. Police have promised to release more video as it becomes available.





    Baltimore Sun reporter Catherine Rentz contributed to this article.

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    cont. from article above

    Clearing Mount

    At 8:59 a.m., as the van headed toward Central Booking, the driver called for an officer to "check on" Gray.

    Police said an officer did respond and had "some communication" with Gray at the intersection of Druid Hill Avenue and Dolphin Street, though they have not described that interaction in detail and have said there is no surveillance footage. Batts said officers called to the van had to "pick [Gray] up off the floor and place him on the seat," but he declined to elaborate.

    Deputy Commissioner Jerry Rodriguez said police still need to determine what Gray's condition was at the intersection and whether the police response during the encounter was appropriate.

    The intersection near McCulloh Homes is busy at times. Nearby, the G&A Food Market sits across the street from the Union Baptist Head Start; both have security cameras trained on the street.

    One of the market's cameras points toward the intersection where police said the van stopped. Cindy Wang, 28, who works at the market, said police arrived there on Monday, April 20 — the day after Gray's death but eight days after his arrest — to inquire about the camera's footage.

    By then it was gone.

    "They were kind of late, because the camera only had a six-day record," Wang said. "If they came the second day or third day, they could have found it."
    The camera on the Head Start building faces Druid Hill, not the intersection. Gayle E. Headen, director of the Head Start center, said a detective arrived there on April 20 and asked to review the footage, without giving a reason. "I didn't think anything of it," Headen said, noting that police have been interested in the footage for drug investigations in the past.

    The detective asked to watch the footage from 8:55 a.m. to 9 a.m., and saw a police cruiser pass by at the 8:57 mark but no van, said Headen, who personally took the officer through the footage.

    In fact, the footage shows a white van with a blue stripe down its side — like those on police vans — passing by at the 8:54:32 a.m. mark, according to The Baltimore Sun's review of the footage. The police cruiser, with its lights flashing, drives by about three minutes later.

    During the Druid Hill and Dolphin stop, a call came through asking the van driver to return to the 1600 block of W. North Ave. — not far from the spot where Gray and police first made eye contact — to pick up another person. Such vans are divided by a metal barrier, and the second person was loaded into the section of the van not occupied by Gray.
    Police have not described any interaction with Gray at this location. They have declined to identify the second person placed in the van, saying they need to "protect the integrity" of the criminal investigation into Gray's death, in which that person is now a witness.
    After the pickup, the van headed south again — but this time it was headed for the Western District police station rather than Central Booking. When Gray was taken out of the van, Rodriguez said, "he could not talk and he could not breathe."
    Beyond damage to his spinal cord, Gray had a crushed voice box.
    At 9:24 a.m., officers called a medic to the Western District station, reporting that Gray was in "serious medical distress." The Baltimore Fire Department said the call arrived at 9:26 a.m.
    Paramedics responded, spent 21 minutes treating Gray at the station, and arrived at Maryland Shock Trauma Center — where Gray would fall into a coma and die a week later — at 10 a.m.
    Of the six suspended officers — Lt. Brian Rice, Sgt. Alicia White, and Officers William Porter, Garrett Miller, Edward Nero and Caesar Goodson Jr. — five have provided statements to police officials. Police have not said which officer has refused. The police union has defended the actions of all those involved.
    At recent protests, chants of "We want all six!" have rung out. People in Gilmor Homes are skeptical of any police review of the officers' actions.
    Everette Wade, 54, said the "last time Baltimore was in the news" to this extent was more than a decade ago, when coverage broke out over a DVD that highlighted the "Stop Snitching" culture of violence against residents who provide information to police.
    Wade said he feels today is not all that different.
    "Police have a 'Stop Snitching' policy. The good boys in blue cover for each other," he said. "That's 'Stop Snitching' all over again, isn't it?"
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    video with some footage at link -

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    Quote Originally Posted by debk589 View Post
    Yeah, the next person on my Facebook feed to fucking share a FauxNews article and refer to "animals" or "savage" is getting swiftly deleted.
    HOLY SHIT!

    You guys know some shitty people, huh?

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    then please explain to me why, in a sane and rational manner. I expect you're able to, whereas I'll get bullshit emotional responses from Ron.

    Eta: Ron, just because I disagree with burning of the flag does mean I "worship" the flag. You like to make sweeping assumptions and generalizations and it's just as unfair as those doing it about protesters. You're basing it off of a single statement without further dialogue, their basing it off of seeing a single (set of) action taken.
    Coincidentally, I don't think it's sane or rational to get all "I'LL KILL SOMEONE FOR WALKING ON THE FLAG!"

    You take hyperbole personally. You may not be one of those idiots, but America has millions of them. And ironically, the guy who wants to shoot people for disrespecting the flag also hates this guy:







    Look, I understand if it's your Paw-Paw's burial flag that you have cause he was a WWII vet. If someone breaks into your house, and wipes their feet on it, you should be mad. Hell, I could even understand taking a shot at them.



    But if I grab one from off the rack at Target, and you're feeling a way about it, you've been brainwashed.




    If someone is burning the flag, my first reaction isn't anger, my first reaction is "what are they so upset about, and how do we change it?"
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    Here you go, Deb. This is what they should be posting.

    HOLY SHIT, DUDE!


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    This shitty kid I 'know' through hubbs just posted Freddie Gray's rap sheet. LIKE THAT SOMEHOW MAKES IT OK FOR HIM TO HAVE BEEN MURDERED.

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    because lolololoolol

    Quote Originally Posted by Gawna View Post
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    If the mothers of these brutal cops did that, there wouldn't be any reason to riot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bowieluva View Post
    Ron was the best part, hands down.

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    the kid is like, 'gawd! mom, you're embarrassing me!'
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    Quote Originally Posted by bowieluva View Post
    Ron was the best part, hands down.

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    The worst part of all this, some asshole is going to call CPS on that mom for "beating" her son.
    I am watching headline news and this guy. Ones on the air and put it into some great words.
    Stop using these weapons of mass distraction and let's get the real issues on the news.

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    And our newest rugrat MISS MARLEE!!!

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    nah, i listened to the press conference yesterday and the police chief commended her for that action. can't call cps when you have the official endorsement.

    i do think it sucks that the senior center burned, but when you riot, you gotta do it at home otherwise it's war. so many people here have said something in the last day that i never thought seriously about, but revolutions start with violence. peace isn't taken very seriously, especially now days when they just take you away easier if you don't fight.
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    Part of me wishes they would take it to the suburbs, and show those dicks just what savagery looks like.
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    So apparently imgur has discovered the face of the asshole who cut the firefighters hose:

    http://imgur.com/gallery/Tnr2QI3

    Fuck this dude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by debk589 View Post
    So apparently imgur has discovered the face of the asshole who cut the firefighters hose:

    http://imgur.com/gallery/Tnr2QI3

    Fuck this dude.
    It's not a picture of him doing it though.

    Here's a terrorist about to bomb the Brooklyn Bridge:
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    pfft. that bag ain't big enough for a crock pot.
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    You're right, there's no picture, but WAIT, HERE'S A VIDEO OF HIM DOING IT.



    same cat.

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    a lesson in why black blocers all wear the same thing.

    seriously though, fuck these guys.
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    he really thought that shit was cute, huh?
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    unless the cops were looking at Grays' record pre-arrest for some reason *that doesn't matter* No online activity, no photographs, nothing matters save what happens in that instance.

    Massage therapist and I had a good debate on this last night. Being raised in, well - he calls it the hood so so will I, he has a different perspective and knowledge base than I. And his outlook on Trayvon Martin was very interesting. And I my immediate reaction was to shoot down his "did you see the online photos" because that never, ever matters. Never. Not unless it's to support an investigation after an arrest and it's showing a pattern of behavior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by debk589 View Post
    You're right, there's no picture, but WAIT, HERE'S A VIDEO OF HIM DOING IT.



    same cat.
    They all look the same anyway.
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    Ron was the best part, hands down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beli View Post
    because lolololoolol



    I love this so much.


    Quote Originally Posted by marshmallow View Post
    did you make her into a wallet Bill? cuz if you did I'm off team Bill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeaceBeWithMe View Post


    I love this so much.
    My mom would have done that, but she was like 60 when I was his age.



    http://mic.com/articles/116714/7-fac...g-in-baltimore

    I need to check the population of Baltimore, cause $5 mil/year in payouts for police brutality seem like NOTHING to me. It seems like a number SO low that the police department would actually bring it up to show that their cops aren't out of control.
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    Ron was the best part, hands down.

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