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    Also from CDC

    Any mammal can get rabies. It can only be passed to another animal or a person through saliva. You cannot get rabies from blood.

    If you are bitten, have someone help you wash out the wound for five minutes with soap and water and then take you right away to a doctor. If there?s a chance the animal has rabies, your doctor will want to give you the rabies vaccine to make sure you don?t get rabies, too.

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    Not sure how they test people, but I can assure you with 100% certainty there is no other way to positively test animals for rabies. I worked at a clinic where several "samples" were sent out. There is certain protocol clinics have to follow per CDC guidelines. They want to know every little detail surrounding the animal, because it's a big deal.

    I guarantee they will euthanize the other animals in the house, unless they had a verified rabies vaccination (which I highly doubt they do.)

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    Cats, dogs and ferrets can be observed for signs of rabies. If they don't show signs of illness within 10 days they are healthy. If they show symptoms they are destroyed for testing. So, I would assume they showed symptoms.
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    I'm more worried about a month old baby needed to be vaccinated now. I looked it up and couldn't find anything saying age needed for it, but it's based by weight, so hopefully her age doesn't matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by puzzld View Post
    Cats, dogs and ferrets can be observed for signs of rabies. If they don't show signs of illness within 10 days they are healthy. If they show symptoms they are destroyed for testing. So, I would assume they showed symptoms.
    They do monitor them for 10 days, but there are 2 types of rabies, and one of the types doesn't show symptoms.

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    Huh interesting...

    The only rabies virus strains that ferrets have been found to be naturally infected with are the skunk and raccoon strains in the US and the fox strain in Europe. A study conducted in 1995 at CDC Headquarters on the skunk strain determined that ferrets do not shed this virus in their saliva, incubation periods ranged from 2 weeks to >3 months, and disease duration is approximately 4 days. A 1996 CDC study determined ferrets do secrete the raccoon strain 2-3 days before showing symptoms with death occurring by day 8. Research conducted in 1982 at the French National Center for the Study of Rabies by Blancou and Artois determined that domestic ferrets are remarkably immune to the European fox derived street rabies strain. The virus was not shed in the ferrets' saliva. The susceptibility of the ferret to the rabies virus isolated from the fox appears to be approximately 50,000 times less than that of the fox species, and more than 300 times less than that of the hare. Furthermore, research determined that ferrets are not susceptible to rabies virus through ingestion. Although it is possible for a ferret to contract rabies, as it is for any warm blooded mammal, the chance is extremely remote. In addition, there is a USDA approved- licensed rigorously tested and proven effective rabies vaccine for use in ferrets (Imrab3). There has never been a transmission of rabies from a ferret to a human. There have been less than 30 cases of rabies in ferrets ever recorded in the United States compared to thousands of cases in dogs, cats, and agricultural animals.
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    I've owned ferrets before. My vet never did vac them for rabies.

    They just got a basic set of vacs. Mostly like a cat's vacs.

    My vet was actually a specialist that deals with exotic animals. My ferret got into our laundry room once and got into some rat poison. The vet had a ferret and was able to do a blood transfusion and saved his life.

    Ferrets will eat anything especially if they are hungry.

    If the ferrets had rabies, they had to get it somewhere.

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    Does this now mean everyone of those poor kids is in queue for rabies shots?

    God.


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    Fucking idiots. We had ferrets when I was growing up. They were properly looked after & no way would they have been left loose near a child.
    There is a woman who walks two ferrets past my house every day on harnesses, they are as tame as you like, but will give a little nip if playful, so you always have to be careful.
    Dumbasses.

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    I think there's only been three people ever to survive rabies...

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    This is without a doubt the most fucked up squalid shit I have ever read. Every.Fucking. Detail. Got. Worse.
    Ferrets. Faceless Babies. Fleas & mites. All 5 kids & both fucking parents have special needs. & RABIES!!

    FUUUUUUUUUUUCK.

    I feel sick.



    & the baby before this one was seriously seriously premmie too.

    Oh & to top it all, like the mauling wasn't an awful enough reason for a missing face, some are accusing the parents of doing it themselves. Not at all likely according to police but I'm sure the accusations can only improve their circumstances


    http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/...290357721.html




    Speculation about whether a trio of ferrets were responsible for the mauling of a 1-month-old girl in a Delaware County, Pennsylvania, home last week have been running rampant since the attack ? but police are shooting down the rumors, saying clear evidence points to the ferrets.

    Skyy Fraim was released from the Children?s Hospital of Philadelphia this week after undergoing emergency surgery following the Jan. 21 attack, police said on Friday. The girl?s nose and part of her cheek were eaten away, while her upper lip was shredded.

    The baby?s mother, Jessica Benales, was upstairs using the restroom when the mauling happened. She came down to find at least one of the ferrets attacking the child and pulled the animal off the girl, who was strapped into a car seat on the floor of the family?s Darby home.

    Benales, 24, and her 42-year-old fianc?, Burnie Fraim, told police they believed the ferrets somehow broke out of their mesh pen.

    But despite the accounts by police and the child's parents of the mauling, some ferret owners and shelter operators told NBC10 the animals could not have inflicted such severe injuries on the child.

    Others claimed a necropsy found no human tissue in the animal?s stomach ? but necropsies were not performed on the ferrets,*Delaware County Animal Control said, so that cannot be known. After the animals were euthanized, a rabies test was performed and came back negative.


    A staffer said necropsies are hardly ever performed by the agency and were not in this case because the mother witnessed part of the attack.

    Still, the necropsies are unnecessary, says Darby Police Chief Robert Smythe. There is clear evidence that the ferrets were responsible for the mauling,*he told NBC10.


    ?I would refute what they are saying because of physical evidence that was inside the building and that was on the child?s face,? he said.

    Skyy Fraim had puncture wounds on her head consistent with a ferret?s teeth and claws, Smythe said.

    Detectives looked at the family?s other pets and the possibility that a rodent was responsible, but those possibilities were ruled out. It also appeared the ferrets roamed the home, which authorities said was filthy, and broke into pet food.

    Benales and Fraim, who have four other children age 5 or younger, have each been charged with five counts of child endangerment. The children have been removed from their parents' care and are currently with the Delaware County Children and Youth Services.

    Authorities said the children and parents all have special needs and have been under the care of three social service agencies.*

    In addition to the ferrets, the family had six cats and two turtles. Two dogs had previously been removed from the home.

    Seven case workers were assigned to the family, Smythe said. He questioned how nothing had been done to improve the family?s quality of life and remove the animals.

    ?It?s a family in crisis,? he said. ?I believe they?re people that have issues and problems and the system is not working.?

    Prior to being charged, Fraim told NBC10 that he and his fianc? care for the children.

    ?We?re good parents. It?s just we made one mistake by leaving them alone. We regret it, and we blame ourselves for it,? he said. The 1-month-old will need to undergo several surgeries to repair the damage done in the attack, the father added.

    Smythe said a district court judge disregarded a bail recommendation that included a psychological evaluation and instead released the couple on their own recognizance. They are barred from having contact with the children.

    A court date has yet to be set in the case.

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    It's not our fault. We didn't do it, the animals did it, says the victims father Burnie Fraim.
    It's not their fault? Go fuck yourself, with a Ferret. Assholes.

    If these two parents of the year would have waited a couple months, a hot car would have done the job for them. They cannot think that far ahead though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by u2addict View Post
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    It's not their fault? Go fuck yourself, with a Ferret. Assholes.

    If these two parents of the year would have waited a couple months, a hot car would have done the job for them. They cannot think that far ahead though.
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    They literally can't think that far ahead. This is one case where child protective services are going to have to take 100% responsibility. We're not talking functioning adults at all here. The parents need a protective service themselves. This is just so fucked.

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    I remember many years ago, when attending a class for humane investigations, a discussion in reference to having ferrets around babies. It was said by the instructor that it was dangerous to have ferrets around babies because they were attracted to the smell of milk on a baby. Instinctually they associate the smell of milk on a baby with rabbits and rodents. In the wild before being domesticated they would go down rabbit holes and eat baby rabbits. They are still used today in some countries for rabbit hunting. They are harnessed and sent down the hole and will come out with the hunter's fresh kill.

    Here is link to explain..http://weaselwords.com/ferret-articl...of-the-ferret/


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    Quote Originally Posted by queenaevadamthng View Post
    I remember many years ago, when attending a class for humane investigations, a discussion in reference to having ferrets around babies. It was said by the instructor that it was dangerous to have ferrets around babies because they were attracted to the smell of milk on a baby. Instinctually they associate the smell of milk on a baby with rabbits and rodents. In the wild before being domesticated they would go down rabbit holes and eat baby rabbits. They are still used today in some countries for rabbit hunting. They are harnessed and sent down the hole and will come out with the hunter's fresh kill.

    Here is link to explain..http://weaselwords.com/ferret-articl...of-the-ferret/

    Amazing that none of the "ferret experts" accusing the parents of involvement happened to be aware of this.


    I am never going to forget this story. There's not a single feature that isn't appallingly tragic & the sheer number of professionals pulling wages to monitor this family - but who still couldn't get it together to actually DO something to improve their living conditions is fucking frightening

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    I have heard that about ferrets as well. I remember seeing some reality tv show about a young woman who had been chewed up by ferrets as a baby. She wanted plastic surgery to finish her face, and found one to do it for free, but she wouldn't stop smoking so it didn't happen. I hope that the baby goes to a nice, intelligent, loving family who can provide her with the love, stable environment and surgeries she will need. And none of those kids ever see their biological parents again.

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    It's not that simple though, that was the problem all along. These are aren't your typical abusive/neglectful parents, this is a couple who genuinely care about their kids but being special needs themselves, they just aren't capable of caring for them without help & support.

    They had FIVE AGENCIES being paid to help them manage - FIVE!! & those living conditions were the result. This is a rare case where I'm putting 100% of the blame on the workers who were supposed to manage their hom e situation & ZERO on the parent's themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by queenaevadamthng View Post
    I remember many years ago, when attending a class for humane investigations, a discussion in reference to having ferrets around babies. It was said by the instructor that it was dangerous to have ferrets around babies because they were attracted to the smell of milk on a baby. Instinctually they associate the smell of milk on a baby with rabbits and rodents. In the wild before being domesticated they would go down rabbit holes and eat baby rabbits. They are still used today in some countries for rabbit hunting. They are harnessed and sent down the hole and will come out with the hunter's fresh kill.

    Here is link to explain..http://weaselwords.com/ferret-articl...of-the-ferret/
    Quote Originally Posted by blighted star View Post
    Amazing that none of the "ferret experts" accusing the parents of involvement happened to be aware of this.


    I am never going to forget this story. There's not a single feature that isn't appallingly tragic & the sheer number of professionals pulling wages to monitor this family - but who still couldn't get it together to actually DO something to improve their living conditions is fucking frightening
    Ferrets have sharp teeth that can shred things to pieces. I'm no ferret expert, but I've owned a couple before. Ferrets are awesome animals, but they are a little like a toddler. They get into everything. If their head will fit, they will squeeze their whole body in. They also steal everything. Socks, paperclips, bones, food, barbie dolls, etc...

    Ferrets are best known as snake killers. Even a domesticated ferret will hunt for prey. Much like a house cat that chases mice. They use ferrets during war. Ferrets would kill the snakes for the soldiers, but they were also used to go down into holes for mines....and they helped catch food. My uncle used them in Vietnam. They're very smart animals. creepy smart.

    If a ferret is hungry, yes, I think they could attack a baby. They were probably trying to stick their head down the baby's mouth and were clawing at her face to get in (that's probably why the parents didn't hear anything). I also think ANY animal that is hungry has the potential to hurt a baby.


    I agree with Blighted. This is a family that should have been monitored. The system failed them.

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