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    Footage Of Crew From A Fijian Fishing Vessel Being Executed At Sea Was Uploaded To Youtube 17 August 2014

    I didn't know where to post this. I think it's real. There are journalists posting in ytube comments asking for the OP to message them.

    They might not know they upoloaded, it they have photobucket or something & haven't checked their settings, it would've posted as they recorded. Whoever filmed this kept either hiding the phone in their hand from other crew members, or trying to block the viewer from seeing something - either's possible.

    If it is real you're about to watch very recent, as yet unreported murders. Be prepared.


    NSFW Also not suitable for humans.




    ETA nope not hiding it from other crew. I missed the last 5 seconds. They all have a good laugh & film each other at the end. I'm guessing it's an accidental auto-upload because they just I.D'ed their boat & half the crew at a murder scene.
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    Suva Police are investigating so I guess it's not just me who felt sick watching it.

    http://i.stuff.co.nz/world/south-pac...r-on-high-seas

    Horror On The High Seas

    A video that appears to show fishermen being murdered at sea has been posted on YouTube. The 10 minute 26 second video went up earlier today. The video's contents have not been verified but a Fiji Police source, who requested anonymity after alerting Fairfax to the video, said their forensic unit in Suva would study it. He had no other information saying that a member of the public had complained to them.

    The video appears to be filmed from the deck of a fishing boat travelling with three others. A nearby boat has a clearly identifiable number along its hull. The video shows them coming across the up-turned wreckage of a small boat with men in the water. The tuna boat moves in close to the first man who is looking up at the camera. Shots are then heard and several can be seen missing the man in the water until he appears to be hit and stops moving. The video shows the boat moving closer into the wreckage where another man tries to swim away before he too appears to be shot and killed.

    A third man struggling to swim then clings to the wreckage. He is shot at multiple times and appears to be hit a couple of times before he lets go. At one stage the video shows a body of a man wearing a red and white striped shirt. At the end of the video the man with the camera then films other crewmen. A Burmese journalist said the men appeared to speaking a mixture of Burmese and Thai.

    A large tuna fleet operates out of Suva, Fiji.* The boats – which carry the flags of China, Taiwan, South Korea and others – are often crewed by Indonesians, Vietnamese, Burmese and Cambodians on little more than slave wages. There are no active reports of missing fishermen in Fiji but every other month a search is conducted for missing fishermen, many of whom are never found.

    Late tonight a YouTube spokesman said it did not comment on individual videos. “While YouTube’s Guidelines generally prohibit graphic or violent content, we make exceptions for material with clear documentary or news value,” he said. “In cases where a video is not suitable for all viewers, we take care to apply appropriate warnings and age-restrictions to safeguard people using our site." -
    There are comments that crews from the smaller Fijian boats are being slaughtered at sea by the overseas crews on the bigger vessels & that it's been happening for a long time but there was never proof - just boats that never came home.

    If this is genuine, whoever filmed this is going to be in a world of shit if Suva Police or anyone else tips this crew before they dock.
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    Welp, that made me nauseous. Holy shit.

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    I don't get why they were killed. Was it just for sick fun?


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    Fishing grounds. The overseas crews work for companies who were sold fishing licenses by the Fijian (correction NZ) gov't. They don't want to share the fisheries with the little local guys. Apparently there have been a lot of local fishermen go out to sea & just disappear lately. Fijians were just starting to comment under the vid on ytube last night & it was getting pretty crazy. I've just woken up & haven't checked it yet but I'd bet it's got a lot more comments by now.



    ETA correction, I think it might be the NZ gov't that sold the licenses & the bigger boats are crossing from NZ/international waters into Fiji's. Fiji has no navy & can't do anything to protect it's workers or fisheries & they don't have the technology to call for help from their boats. This is basically happening so that crews on these bigger vessels can continue to steal Fijian resources without ever being caught fishing outside their licensed area.


    NZ gov't is involved now too


    http://www.3news.co.nz/Fiji-fisherme...tional+News%29

    Fiji police are investigating a video posted on YouTube that appears to show fishermen being shot dead at sea. 3 News has tried to verify the 10-minute video, which - if authentic - is too graphic to show in parts. It looks to be filmed from the deck of a fishing boat travelling with three others. Three men, clinging to the upturned wreckage of a small boat, appear to be shot and killed. A Fijian government official insisted the video did not show local fishermen. New Zealand's Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade has been alerted.

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    Uploaded in Suva - but it still doesn't mean it's authentic. Some say it's 2013 footage of fishing vessels legally shooting Somali pirates in the Indian Ocean last year (legal since Captain Phillips - see movie for reference) & someone in Fiji got hold of it & uploaded it with the Fijian story to incite anger against non-Fijian fisherman. If so, they'll be shitting right now.

    At least 2 gov'ts are working to I.D the person who uploaded it with the heading I.D'ing it as Fijian & some people identifying as Fijians are threatening to slaughter overseas crews on the docks. Someone even posted a comment with #cannibal. If someone actually gets killed over Fijian fishing disputes after this, I can see the O.P being in a bit of shit.

    But that's if it' s fake - there are people who believe it's authentic despite the Fijian gov't's off the record denials

    Here's a more detailed article


    http://tvnz.co.nz/world-news/graphic...ng-sea-6059747

    ONE News was alerted to the video this afternoon. It's yet to be verified but an online posting of the video says the victims were Fijian and the pictures taken outside Fijian waters.

    ONE News has had specialists poring over the video and translating orders apparently given by foreign fishing crews.

    Two men are seen clinging to wreckage, desperately trying to avoid a spray of gunfire. Both end up dead in the water.

    Five minutes earlier on the video posted on YouTube, there are three fishing boats, one confirmed as a Taiwanese longliner. They appear to be chasing another boat and heavy fire is clearly heard.

    An interpreter has revealed to ONE News that one crew member says in Vietnamese: "If you see anyone, just kill."

    On the loudspeaker, a voice can also be heard yelling: "Look ahead there, one and two."

    Soon after, the men are seen floating in the water clinging to debris.

    The YouTube posting claims the pair are Fijian fishermen, situated just outside Fijian waters but ONE News can't yet verify this information.

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    A third man is shown trying to swim?away from the gunfire, but he fails.

    The footage also shows a total of four bodies in the water.

    But our translator also interprets a Vietnamese voice saying: "One more man, this is the fifth man."

    Police hunt uploader of video

    ONE News Pacific correspondent Barbara Dreaver has learned Fijian police are now investigating the video.

    "The Fiji police are very interested in this video and they are currently looking for the person in the Suva area who uploaded it today," Dreaver says.

    She says her Fijian sources, including the police, have told her it does appear that the men in the water are Fijian.

    "However, I have to stress this has yet to be verified. And nor to we know exactly when this video was taken," Dreaver says.

    She says there has recently been "the odd incident" arising from tension over fishing around Fiji.

    For example, a Fijian was found floating in the water by a passing boat and he claimed to have been set adrift by a foreign fishing vessel he was working on
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    There is also tension between local fishing companies and foreign fishing companies as the tuna stocks in the region are very short, she says.

    However, there has been nothing of this magnitude, if it is proven to have taken place, in the Pacific, Dreaver says.

    Here are some comments from ytube


    Thu Trang Vương 9 hours ago They are Vietnamese, their accent belongs to Nghệ An/ H? Tĩnh province. But I dont know the location in the video Owner details of the identified vessel: Tching Ye Fishery Co Ltd, Room 307, 3, Yugang E 2nd Road, Qianzhen District, Kaohsiung City, 80672, China, Republic of (Taiwan) Tel:+886 7 821 5843 2

    Shi Peter 1 hour ago Angus, This clip is not shoot outside of Fiji waters, it happens on last year at Indian Ocean, three fishing vessels are attacked by Somari Pirate, two other vessels try to chase away the pirate mother boat and the other one has crash down the small attack boat and armed guard (mercenary) is defense itself as those pirate was trying to board the fishing vessel with arm before shoot dead

    Mien Monda 1 hour ago +islanchicka
    The source clarified that it was Fijian, even stating that it was just outside fiji waters, and police have confirmed that the video was uploaded from a server in Suva Fiji. Theres a girl asking for more info in this comment section whose missing brother and two crew member were last heard travelling from Lau to Taveuni. They worked for the ministry of fisheries. Chances are that these fishing trawlers were operating illegally and when confronted by these fisheries officers, they rammed their boat, tried to impale the men with their propellers, and shot them dead in the water. I hope they wont die in vain

    Steve Steve 2 hours ago Owner details of the identified vessel: Tching Ye Fishery Co Ltd, Room 307, 3, Yugang E 2nd Road, Qianzhen District, Kaohsiung City, 80672, China, Republic of (Taiwan) Tel:+886 7 821 5843
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    Who would go through the trouble of faking a video like this? If someone was going to go through the trouble of hiring actors, supplying the props and special effects to make it look as real as it does it would be attached to something or someone. It's real.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boston Babe 73 View Post
    Who would go through the trouble of faking a video like this? If someone was going to go through the trouble of hiring actors, supplying the props and special effects to make it look as real as it does it would be attached to something or someone. It's real.
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    It's real. I saw a woman shot to death 18 yrs ago. When they strarted aiming at that first guy I felt ice cold & jittery the way I did back then. By real/fake I mean whether it's the possibly legal shooting of Somali pirates in the Indian Ocean in 2013, or Fijian fishermen being murdered very recently. Either way it made me feel sick.

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    If it really was a known incident involving pirates last year, you'd think they'd have matched the boats involved & cleared it up by now because there'd be records with maritime authorities, instead this just got bigger


    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-08-1...t-brut/5680666
    ABC News 34mins ago

    verifying video showing men apparently killed while clinging to wreckage The World Today By New Zealand correspondent Dominique Schwartz, staff Updated 36 minutes agoTue 19 Aug 2014, 4:37pm PHOTO: A man clings to debris as a bullet apparently hits the water in front of him. (YouTube) RELATED STORY: South Pacific facing over-fishing crisisRELATED STORY: Pacific tuna fishing industry close to collapse MAP: Fiji Police in Fiji have asked Interpol for help verifying a video which appears to show the brutal killing of men at sea.

    A graphic video posted on YouTube yesterday shows four men being shot as they cling to debris in the ocean. Gunshots come from one of several boats surrounding the men, and blood is seen in the water. Men on the boat, which is reportedly a tuna fishing vessel, are seen laughing and posing for photographs at the end of the video. AUDIO: Listen to Dominique Schwartz's report (The World Today)

    Fiji assistant police commissioner Rusiate Tudravu told Radio Australia it was too early to make a statement on the contents of the video. "We have not received any formal complaints and I have not yet seen the video," he said.

    The YouTube post says the victims were Fijian and were shot just outside Fijian waters. But police in Suva say there is no clear evidence to identify the victims, or pinpoint where and when the apparent murders took place. They have asked Interpol and police in neighbouring Pacific countries for assistance in establishing the facts. The video's contents have not been verified.

    The men on the boat from which the shots are fired can be heard speaking in Mandarin and interpreters for Television New Zealand have identified Taiwanese, Thai and Vietnamese voices on the video. PHOTO: The men on the boat pose for selfies after the apparent killings (YouTube) One man can be heard saying: "Shoot, shoot, shoot". Someone says: "If you see anyone, just kill. Look ahead there: one and two." A man can also be heard giving out instructions, telling another man at the front of the boat to "be prepared".*

    Chinese characters reading "Safety is number one" can also be seen on the side of one of the boats. The president of Fiji's Tuna Boat Owners Association, Graham Southwick, says violence often erupts at sea, and crew members go missing. "This particular type of incident of being shot in the water and all that stuff is, you know, [is] extremely unusual, but conflicts and fights and murders on the high seas, on fishing boats, is relatively common," he said.

    "In the Pacific there would probably be half a dozen a year at least, but usually it's the result of some sort of a conflict or fight or something on the boat, and the report usually comes back that, either he fell over the side, or whatever, and then there's nothing much anybody can do very much about it. "If they die of natural causes, they're usually stuck in the freezer and brought back in at some stage of the game. But this would be extremely rare I'd say, this deliberate slaughter of people that got off the boat."

    Mr Southwick says authorities have the call-sign and details of at least one of the ships and will be working to identify crew members who could shed light on this gruesome maritime mystery.

    The Fiji government response explains claims of multiple missing fisherman but no official list - "we haven't received any complaints" - well you have, just not from the victims. If you're going to wait to hear from them ...

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    lots happening on NZ, Tonga & Fiji sites over this. I wouldn't want to be on a Taiwanese boat docking in Tonga or Suva right now.

    http://www.3news.co.nz/Fiji-Maritime...tional+News%29

    A shocking YouTube video showing what appears to be Fijian fishermen being shot and killed at sea is being investigated by the South Pacific nation's police. The four men clinging to an upturned boat and debris appear to have been shot from close range and left floating in the sea, the graphic footage shows. Onlookers on board one of the attacking boats, which could be a tuna fishing vessel, do nothing to stop it. They are heard laughing and are shown smiling at the camera at the end of the unsettling 10-minute amateur video.

    Fiji police are reportedly appealing to Interpol for help to verify details of the video, while the Taiwanese Embassy in Fiji is being forced to defend itself. An embassy spokesperson confirmed to RadioLIVE one of the boats in the footage is registered to Taiwan, but it isn't the one shooting or filming the attack. *

    Fiji assistant police commissioner Rusiate Tudravu told the ABC's Radio Australia network it was too early to make a statement. "We have not received any formal complaints and I have not yet seen the video," he said. It's still to be verified whether or not the men being shot are Fijian.

    The Australian Federal Police have been informed of the footage and its contents. While the video was posted on YouTube yesterday, it's also not clear when it was recorded. User "commonkingssavou" describes the footage as "Fishing vessel fijian crew gettin shot, out side fiji waters (sic)". It's already been viewed more 20,000 times, despite YouTube imposing age-restricted access.

    In one shot, the insignia of one of the attacking boats can be seen. Distorted images of flags on the vessels appear to be from Asian countries. A local YouTube spokesman said the company doesn't comment on individual videos. The service's guidelines generally prohibit graphic or violent content, but YouTube does make exceptions for material "with clear documentary or news value", the spokesman said. "In cases where a video is not suitable for all viewers, we take care to apply appropriate warnings and age-restrictions to safeguard people using our site."

    The Australian Federal Police said the video was a matter for Fijian authorities

    Suva Harbour



    Not sure if they mean the Taiwanese Embassy is being forced to defend itself verbally or physically, but either way I expect it will get heated outside that embassy if it's true they've had men go missing almost monthly.
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    Aha. Looks like NZ News is the one to watch for updates on this. They say the poster has been traced

    http://i.stuff.co.nz/world/south-pac...utely-shocking

    A cellphone left behind in a Suva taxi by an Asian fishing boat crewman is at the heart of a horrific video showing the killing of four castaways on the high-seas. Whether the dead men are Fijian, stateless Rohingyas from Burma or Somalians, is still unresolved. Nor is it known who killed them or why.

    Official data has identified a tuna boat seen nearby as the men were killed in the water. But the Taiwan flagged Chun I No 217 has not switched on its vessel monitoring system (VMS) device for three months and its whereabouts is unknown, monitoring sources told Fairfax Media.* High seas fishing boats are legally allowed to turn off VMS to keep a competitive advantage.

    Up until last year**Chun I No 217*was registered to catch southern blue fin tuna in waters around New Zealand and south of Australia. Its registered owners in Kaohsiung City in Taiwan have not answered supplied telephone numbers on various registration documents linked to the vessel in the Pacific, Tasman and Indian Ocean regions.

    There is no evidence the 725 ton Chun I No 217 was involved in the incident and it was only identified by one of its registration numbers, issued by the Seychelles, along its hull as it steered away from the ship where the shooting was occurring. In the video the only clue to its identity is a sign over a hatch saying, in Mandarin, "Safety is number one".

    Yesterday the 10 minute 26 second video was posted on YouTube by a university student who described it as Fijian fishermen being murdered. Fiji Police sources say the student obtained it from a cellphone left behind in a taxi on Suva's Queen Elizabeth Parade. They have asked Interpol for help in identifying the people seen in the video. They say there is no clear evidence on who the people are or where or when the murders took place.

    One strong possibility is that the murdered men are Somalians rather than Fijians. Taiwan fishing boats have made huge catches of bigeye tuna in the pirate-infested waters off the coast of Somalia. After several Taiwanese boats were taken ransom, the Taiwan Deep Sea Tuna Longline Boat-owners Association hired armed guards with military style weapons to guard the vessels. Each boat has three guards with a fee that covers the amount of ammunition. Extra fees are charged if extra ammunition is used.

    The men on the boat from which the shots are fired can be heard speaking in Mandarin and at least one other language. One man sayings: "Shoot, shoot, shoot". Nelson admiralty lawyer Peter Dawson said international fishing boat crews are appallingly paid in bad conditions. "It wouldn't surprise me to see it erupt into violence." But more importantly he believed the video is the result of increasing pressure on fast diminishing tuna resources. *This is occurring in the Pacific where distant water nations, such as Taiwan, are increasingly in competition with local coastal fisheries.

    The president of Fiji's Tuna Boat Owners Association, Graham Southwick, told Australia's SBS today that violence often erupts at sea, and crew members go missing. "Conflicts and fights and murders on the high seas on fishing boats are relatively common," he said." In the Pacific there'd probably be half a dozen a year at least."

    A YouTube spokesman said the online video site did not comment on individual videos. "While YouTube's guidelines generally prohibit graphic or violent content, we make exceptions for material with clear documentary or news value," he said. "In cases where a video is not suitable for all viewers, we take care to apply appropriate warnings and age restrictions to safeguard people using our site." Since Fairfax's inquiry, YouTube has placed an age restriction on the video.

    A large tuna fleet operates out of Suva, Fiji. The boats - which carry the flags of China, Taiwan, South Korea, Spain and Portugal - are often crewed by Indonesians, Vietnamese, Burmese and Cambodians on little more than slave wages.*

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    Wow! Left behind in a Taxi. And if this kind of thing happens this often, it's a good thing it was found so that it can be brought to light. It's sickening
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    The way this person was hiding the camera, I'm gonna assume it was intentional. I'm thinking someone's conscious got to him, he sneakily recorded the murders, and intentionally left it in a cab to be found, hoping the right person would find it, and expose it, without giving himself up.

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    This is fucking crazy. I'd be scared as shit to be the cell phone owner or the uploader
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    http://tvnz.co.nz/world-news/source-...autoStart=true

    The world's largest police organisation is investigating disturbing images that have surfaced on the internet of what appears to be helpless fishermen being shot dead at sea. It's claimed the video, posted on YouTube, is of foreign fishing crews shooting Fijian fishermen and that killings like this are common.

    A man who wishes to remain anonymous told ONE News he was contracted to Fiji's Ports Authority for more than a decade to transport customs and goods out to vessels. "Every second week we used to go and pick up dead people who had been either murdered or stabbed or died." He insists there have been killings for years but because it happens outside Fijian waters, Fiji laws don't apply. "There is no control over them. The police have no chance to investigate these things."

    But questions are emerging if the shootings actually took place in the Pacific. Fiji Fish's Graham Southwick says "we checked with all our Taiwanese boats and various things and they said oh yeah we know about this story it happened about a year or 18 months ago and the guys in the water being shot are Somali pirates". The Taiwanese longliner in the video is now not licensed to operate in the Pacific and sources have told ONE News it was in Fiji some time ago, but has recently been operating in the Indian Ocean.

    Wherever the shooting took place, the video still brings to light the type of violence that occurs on foreign fishing boats trawling the Pacific.

    I don't think these guys look Somali at all but I don't think they really look Fijian either & they seem to have really straight hair.

    A third possibility for country of origin is mentioned in one of the earlier articles. I'm ashamed to say I'd never heard of the Rohingya genocide til I googled last night. The Rohingya were forced oiff their regular finishing grounds by the Burmese gov't in July & are probably having to venture into new areas in their pathetically dangerous little boats.

    http://www.bnionline.net/index.php/n...-maungdaw.html

    Maungdaww, Arakan State: Rohingya fishermen in Maungdaw Township are fighting for survival as the Burmese authorities have prohibited them from fishing since the third week of July, said Hashim, a fisherman from southern Maungdaw.

    ?On July 30th, a group of fishermen went to the Aley Than Kyaw police station in southern Maungdaw to meet the government official in charge of granting permission to go fishing in waters nearby Maungdaw," added Hashim. The officer told them that higher authorities had ordered the police to ban Muslim fishermen from fishing in the area, and that he didn?t know the reason for the order, said another fisherman who wished to remain anonymous.

    ?I have five family members to feed and it?s very difficult for provide for my family now," Hashim told Kaladan Press.

    ETA : WARNING - if you decide to research the Rohingya people be prepared for some seriously cruel, sickening shit. I just watched a man forced to sit in a fire while people kicked him. It wasn't the most graphic thing I've seen but his meek compliance while being burned to death has really affected me


    http://myarfarakan.blogspot.com.au/2...is-due-to.html

    http://www.rvisiontv.com/myanmar-bgp...hermen-sittwe/

    All of Asia hates the Rohingyas, they're not considered real humans because their skin is "too dark" etcetc. Killing them means nothing.

    This will explain it a little.

    ETA
    I switched vids due to annoying voiceover

    New vid


    Petition to stop the evil Rohingya infesting Burma

    https://arakanindobhasa.wordpress.co...led-rohingyas/

    Their title pic



    Another horrible story

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/w...w/34279536.cms

    Of the 3 suggestions, the men in the water look far more like Rohingya than Somali or Fijian - it doesn't mean this hasn't been happening in Fiji, I just think this vid could turn out to be something else.

    There is a big Fijian Indian population though, so this could still be Fijian nationals
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    Interesting. This story is running worldwide, so you'd think it'd be really big news in Fiji, right?

    I can see why someone might go to these lengths to get their missing & murdered some exposure & justice. This story is running all over the world. Even if it's not Fijians, it's still international news involving Fiji. You'd think the local journo's would be the first source for overseas news sites, & that they'd jump at the chance to get their bylines in bigger news sources, being so close to the investigating policec & all.

    Can you find this story anywhere on these Fiji local news sites? & if I'm not losing it & you guys can't find anything either, don't you think that's a little weird?

    No coverage http://thejetnewspaper.com/2014/08/2...-190814-500pm/

    No coverage http://www.fijitimes.com/section.aspx?s=world

    No coverage http://www.fijisun.com.fj/category/fiji-news/

    No coverage http://fijilive.com/fijinews.Fijilive

    No coverage http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...epacific/fiji/

    Tiny conflicting paragraph with misleading headline -

    ie "Police confirm no Fijians involved ... Fijian police contiunue to investigate"
    Why are they still investigating if it's confirmed?
    http://www.fbc.com.fj/fiji/22329/no-...d-in-shooting-

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    ie "Police confirm no Fijians involved ... Fijian police contiunue to investigate"
    Why are they still investigating if it's confirmed
    Yea, right.....Liar, liar, pants on fire.

    Smells real fishy to me, and I don't beLIEve for a second that video was left in a taxi. I do hope they find these murderers and if they do I doubt they will
    ever be brought to justice.

    Crimes committed in international waters are basically the perfect crime. Just look at all the crimes on cruise ships. Please correct me if I am wrong.......

    I have not watched the video, I am in no mood to see anyone murdered, well not tonite. Not enough brain bleach to white wash that away.

    Fibro Fog has taken over. I am in a constant state of dyscognition so please excuse my retardation.
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    http://www.maritime-executive.com/ar...Sea-2014-08-20


    Human Rights at Sea (HRAS), an independent maritime human rights resource, has been provided with verified translations of crew comments made over mobile phone footage during the disturbing YouTube video showing the murder of seafarers in international waters.

    The footage has been reviewed by specialist translators working for the EAP Research and Information Centre, Voice of America

    . >>There does not appear to be any Thai being spoken.

    >>Vietnamese "1,2 ?. 1,2,3? 4 guys ?3?

    one, two, over there ? third one ? this one is the 4th"

    "one more ? five guys"

    "Run after it, catch it right away"

    "Come closer, so we can film?"

    >>Chinese Part of the video is in Mandarin, with one sentence in Cantonese.

    "Camera, Camera! !"

    >>The following conversation spans from 7:49 to the 9-minute mark:

    "Where, where?"

    "I can?t see!"

    "That one ? over there"

    "He?s floating over!"

    (Cantonese) "Hurry up!"

    "Hello! Hi!"

    "To the front!

    Hurry to the front!

    Camera!

    To the front! Camera!"

    "Camera! Camera! Camera!"

    >>Please note that this is the first set of verified translations received by HRAS and may not be complete at the time of posting. Link to full vid http://youtu.be/eq6wVaB8Wnc for anyone who prefers to hear for themselves.

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    There's an update out of Fiji dated 21 Aug.

    http://fijivillage.com/news/Online-v...o-Fiji--9r2s5k

    21 Aug 2014
    The Fiji Police Force confirmed that a video posted online which shows some fishermen getting shot in open seas is not connected to Fiji.

    Police said they managed to establish this with the assistance of regional police.

    However Police say they will continue to investigate the shooting
    They should've been able to confirm a "well known" piracy incident faster than they traced that upload to the server in Suva. A quick call to maritime authorities the first day should've got the ball rolling & once the AFP & Interpol were involved it should've been sorted pretty quickly, right?

    So why is this supposed "famous" pirate attack of 12-18 mths ago taking so long to check out as legitimate? Is it because the only boat identified was registered to fish NZ & Australian waters until last year?

    http://www.smh.com.au/world/fiji-pol...19-105vj3.html

    Official data has identified a tuna boat seen nearby as the men were killed in the water. But the Taiwan flagged Chun I No 217 has not switched on its vessel monitoring system (VMS) device for three months and its whereabouts are unknown, monitoring sources told Fairfax Media.*
    High-seas fishing boats are legally allowed to turn off VMS to keep a competitive advantage.
    Up until last year**Chun I No 217*was registered to catch southern bluefin tuna in waters around New Zealand and south of Australia
    Which could mean :

    - they were illegally fishing the Indian Ocean 12-18 mths ago & couldn't hand the Somali's over to authorities without incriminating themselves for poaching.

    - or the victims were local fishermen who could report them for poaching.

    - or, the boat was exactly where it was supposed to be near Aus/NZ, therefore the victims cannot be Somali & have to be refugees or a smaller fishing boat.

    - or, someone in the media misreported the registration, they were all legally working the Indian Ocean & did encounter a smaller Somali vessel - what is maritime law in such a situation? don't shoot to kill unless you're under attack/being boarded? If the pirates surrender are they supposed to hand them on to authorities? (&it would seem they are because there are often trials of Somali pirates & at least one of these guys raised his arms in surrender).

    Isn't there also that thing about the closest vessel having to render assistance if a boat goes down? Under international maritime law, how does using execution as an alternative to rescue stand in those circumstances?

    Of course maybe Interpol & the AFP are slow bastards & just haven't confirmed an easily verifiable story, but the fact they traced the upload within hours says they are actively & urgently pursuing it. Comment threads for the vids (& there are multiple copies now of course) were almost all targeted by the same handful of dummy accounts announcing it was confirmed that this was a pirate attack & most people, including the Aus & NZ journalists asking for information immediately accepted it as fact & lost interest. As a result, no-one's reporting the story any more & people are leaving comments like "they deserved it" & "no sympathy", because you know, it's not possible Somalia could have non-pirate fishermen.

    Interestingly, the Maritime Executive, who issued the transcripts in the last post, refer to this incident as "murder", despite the piracy rumours. Maybe that's a clue that even if it was Somali pirates (which is questionable when you consider the facial features & obviously smooth straight hair of the victims) this was not considered a justifiable act under maritime law - hence the continuing investigation?



    ETA we need our boat guys. Anyone know how to invoke pcp or faq?
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    I've never heard of VOA but this article has way more detail & confirms that there are questions about the Taiwanese story. It also confirms the claims that it' s "definitely" pirates are bullshit (at this stage)

    http://m.voanews.com/a/international...o/2421938.html

    International Authorities Investigate Maritime Shooting Video

    August 20, 2014 8:51 AM
    Steve Herman
    Authorities in several countries are examining a graphic video posted online that shows five men floating amid bits of a small upturned boat and being shot by laughing crew members of a larger vessel.

    In the video, gunshots ring out as helpless men in the water desperately try to cling to remnants of their small boat.

    The grainy video uploaded to the YouTube website this week, is titled "Fishing vessel fijian crew gettin shot, out side fiji waters" (sic).

    But authorities in the Pacific islands nation of Fiji, including its navy, say the men seen being struck by gunfire and profusely bleeding in the water are not Fijians.

    Interpol investigating

    Interpol tells VOA News that its general secretariat headquarters in France “is working with several member countries to help determine the veracity of the video content, including its likely date, location and the identities of those involved.”

    Specialists in several countries, who have examined the video, speculate the distressed men in the water, who presumably were all killed, were likely from the east African coast or the Arabian Gulf area.

    David Hammond, founder of the non-governmental organization Human Rights at Sea and a veteran maritime lawyer, has reviewed the video. He calls what he witnessed “an entirely unlawful summary execution of five men.”

    “There is no doubt in my mind that the footage is real," said Hammond. "The context and the time, as in when the footage was taken, actually is secondary to the issue that there have been criminal acts of homicide that have taken place from a registered commercial fishing vessel in international waters.”

    Perpetrator origins

    On the 10-minute video three larger vessels are seen circling the smaller.

    One can be identified: the Seychelles-flagged Taiwan-owned Chun 1 No. 217. Maritime databases list that vessel as a 725-ton fishing boat with a home port of Kaohsiung and managed by the Tching Ye Fishery in the same city.

    The vessel is known to operate in the Western Pacific and Indian oceans. But its current whereabouts are unknown.

    In the video, men onboard one of the vessels can be heard laughing. They are seen taking close-up photos on their mobile phones of the bodies floating face down in the water.

    There are snippets of conversations in Mandarin, Cantonese, Vietnamese, Thai and other languages.

    A man, speaking in Mandarin, says, “He is floating over.” A voice in Cantonese replies “hurry up.”

    While there has been speculation that the men in the water may have been pirates following a failed hijacking, authorities with whom VOA News has spoken say based on what is seen on the video it is more likely they were fishermen from an un-flagged small boat.

    Possible charges

    Retired British Royal Marines front-line officer Hammond says although the identity of who fired the shots and the others on the deck may never be known, the master of the vessel faces liability.

    “The master of the vessel would be a ticketed captain or should be a ticketed captain who is registered with the ship owner," said Hammond. "So his identity should be much easier to find out.”

    Media reports quoting Fijian police sources say a university student found the video on a mobile phone left by an Asian fishing boat crewman in a taxi in Fiji’s capital city, Suva.

    Interpol says it will have no further comment “until the facts have been established and the video content has been verified.”

    Yesterday Taiwan started writing articles that basically say it's all sorted, it was just some confusion, our hero Taiwanese fishermen only killed evil pirates, everything is fine, nothinbg to see.

    But the last line of the article above makes it clear that there will be an official Interpol press release if they confirm the claims that this was a legitimate act of self-defense agains Somali pirates
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    Quote Originally Posted by blighted star View Post
    I've never heard of VOA but this article has way more detail & confirms that there are questions about the Taiwanese story. It also confirms the claims that it' s "definitely" pirates are bullshit (at this stage)

    http://m.voanews.com/a/international...o/2421938.html

    Yesterday Taiwan started writing articles that basically say it's all sorted, it was just some confusion, our hero Taiwanese fishermen only killed evil pirates, everything is fine, nothinbg to see.

    But the last line of the article above makes it clear that there will be an official Interpol press release if they confirm the claims that this was a legitimate act of self-defense agains Somali pirates
    Weren't they advertising cruises to "hunt" for Somali pirates a couple of years ago?

    I had to know. VOA is Voice of America. It reminded me of "Radio Free Europe" when I was a kid.
    Voice of America (VOA) is the official external broadcast institution of the United States federal government. It is one of five civilian U.S. international broadcasters working under the umbrella of the Broadcasting Board of Governors (BBG). VOA provides programming for broadcast on radio, TV and the internet outside of the U.S., in 43 languages. VOA produces about 1,500 hours of news and feature programming each week for an estimated global audience of 123 million people, "to promote freedom and democracy and to enhance understanding through multimedia communication of accurate, objective, and balanced news, information and other programming about America and the world to audiences overseas."[1] Its day-to-day operations are supported by the International Broadcasting Bureau (IBB).
    ...
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voice_of_America

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Crone View Post
    Weren't they advertising cruises to "hunt" for Somali pirates a couple of years ago?

    I had to know. VOA is Voice of America. It reminded me of "Radio Free Europe" when I was a kid.
    Any idea what kind of rep VOA have? & seriously on the cruises??? WTF?? How can that be legal?

    Do they collect trophies? Fuuuuuuck.

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    I'm going to assume it was such a terrible idea that it became a joke.

    From http://www.tallahasseegunforum.com/f...-cruises/page3







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