Looked small to meOriginally Posted by Bert Stareson
Looked small to me
It wasn't a small ledge. But it also wasn't this HUGE living space that Tostee described. It was a normal, run of the mill balcony. And if she felt trapped and threatened, it could have been Disneyland. She'd still be trying to find a way to get out of there.
You can take those Fleets and shove them up your ass
Are you that fucking dumb? How did she fall? Horizontally, or vertically?
If they were the least bit uncertain that she climbed over on her own they would not have conceeded it. But of course you must know more than a team of dozens of detectives and forensic experts, and the prosecution.
Slapped around gently? Screaming "OW" repeatedly is gentle? Whatever WW was screaming for, there is nothing to suggest Tostee was going to harm her after he locked her outside.
Your suggestions seem to be nothing but malicious wishful thinking.
Why are you abusing me when all I did was point out the difference between a ledge and a balcony?
Actually it is a huge balcony. Here is a floorplan.
How is it Tostee's fault that she felt the need to climb over within 10 seconds of being out there?
Because a ledge is against a wall, a cliff, a vertical drop, and when you threaten and leave someone out there scared for their life, you are culpable.
Why would she not try to get away from him? Why wait? That does not make sense.
And forgive me if you think I'm abusing you. I'm not, because I don't know you.
Oh. Did you miss the part about me saying that it could have been Disneyland and if she felt threatened or trapped that she'd still try to escape? And as for his fault....read the part I said about if he made her feel threatened or trapped.Actually it is a huge balcony. Here is a floorplan.
How is it Tostee's fault that she felt the need to climb over within 10 seconds of being out there?
You can take those Fleets and shove them up your ass
I was explaining that a ledge is not a balcony. A ledge is a narrow space. A balcony is a fully protected area, and his happened to be a large living space.
She chose take an unjustified risk, and did it with unnecessary urgency. Nobody could reasonably expect death may occur so quickly from such an action as putting someone outside. One would think pushing someone into a pool would be more dangerous.
So a balcony does not have a ledge? Just like it's legal to lock your guests in your house if they attack you?
lol you're losing it.
Just check the self contradiction. you wouldnt know anything about his physical state.
Give them a year and they may acquit him also. Speculations like that are totally pointless .
Dont you mean "Supreme that shit?"
Because he has nothing left other than personal insults - always a sure sign their "argument" has petered out.
You're wasting your time with InferiorFool. I gave up on this clown ages ago. She/he wont listen - you'll argue th same point forever.
No, a balcony does not have a ledge. Use a dictionary.
And yes, that's why there is such thing as citizen's arrest.
You're the one who suggested the ridiculous idea of fleeing from one's own home while leaving a crazy person inside to do whatever they want with your property.
I'm saying fleeing from someone because you believe they will harm you, and then dying while fleeing said person, allows the Crown to charge that person with murder.
you keep saying this buts its nonsense because you cherry pick again. What you casually omit AGAIN is that WW has spent time out there with GT previously, she was familiar with the area. And its 20 odd square metres. Why would she feel unsafe there when she knew it well? She ran amok beforehand, resisted being ejected out the front door, she wasnt some shy wall flower so its hard to see why beig placed out there on her own would cause her to fear for her safety.
We'll never know why she went over the railings. But you can bet if her toxicology result show drugs, thats her written off as a looney who had lost the plot. Case dismissed.
She said "I want to go home."
And then "no no no no no no no no" because he did not allow her to leave.
That is culpability.
Most everyone else is talking about the ledge on the edge of the balcony - maybe you need to review those photo's
So if you're sitting at a train station, then glance over at the person next to you and they flip out believing you're going to harm them and run and fall onto the tracks and die, does that make you a murderer? Just because THEY believed you were going to harm them?
Nobody is suggesting her put her on a ledge. The prosecutor is alleging he put her on the balcony floor.
I figured the Men would be happy that for once, size doesn't matter.
I don't care if you miss the big picture or the point. If she had been there earlier, if it was the size of China, if it was Beckingham Palace, if it were Chuck E. Cheese. If a gal feels like her life may be in danger and she was trapped ANYWHERE, the first instinct is escape. And everyone keeps thinking that either of them should be thinking logically when they're both blasted in the first place. My only opinion is that he created an atmosphere and situation that put her in danger and made her feel the need to escape which resulted in her death. It's my personal theory based on the recordings. For all I know they were fucking on the ledge and she fell. But based on what's been presented, that's what I think happened.
She was fucked up.
He was fucked up.
She started acting freaky and mentioned going home.
He said no "Drink this".
He says "Hee hee....you're lucky I didn't throw you off the balcony"
She got even freakier and more aggressive throwing rocks or something (that may hurt, but won't kill ya....ya know)
He got even more aggressive in response including choking her (that might hurt AND kill ya....ya know)
She begged to get her things and leave
He said No and locked on the balcony he previous said she was lucky he didn't throw her from.
Pretty simple when you break it down. But at the end of the day, she died and he didn't. She had injuries on her, he didn't. It was his apartment, not hers. He created a situation that IMO led to her death. And as far as Tinder dates go, he's a big fat FAIL.
You can take those Fleets and shove them up your ass
A train station? Seriously?
This happened in his own home, after they both made the arrangement to meet up.
Good try though.
Not unless you tried choking them and threatened to throw them on the tracks.
ETA: And even at that, you wouldn't be a murderer per se. But you'd have some kind of responsibility in the end result. I've said from the beginning that Murder isn't the right charge considering the KNOWN evidence.
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You can take those Fleets and shove them up your ass
As is everything you write - it's all speculation on your part. You seem to know what happened over and above what everyone else (except for Bert).
Others here are suggesting he put her on the ledge of the balcony - better go read again.
You missed the point I was making. Her decision to climb the balcony was completely unjustified and irrational given the circumstances, and nobody could have possibly expected that as an outcome. Since it was not Tostee's actions that caused her fall how can he be culpable? He neither directly caused her to fall nor did he put her in a situation where that was a likely or expected outcome.
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