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    We're all not racists in Missouri...this hurts my heart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chompin View Post
    Police involved in on duty deaths "answer" for a higher percentage than other killers. What is the clearance rate for murder these days.

    And if you are a cop and found to be a criminal, you get fired. You can kill someone in a DUI accident and still play in the NFL, for example, after serving a suspension. I know there are shitty cops, just like in every profession. You want to pay more taxes to pay them better to lure better candidates (or maybe take some of.the handouts from the large number of lazy, stupud pieces of trash we sustain)?

    Damn, I just went libtard and threw money at a problem...
    Heh.


    The LAPD is overwhelmingly corrupt. I believe an honorable police officer is the exception, not the rule. That job attracts people hungry for power and a desire to abuse it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarahric13 View Post
    We're all not racists in Missouri...this hurts my heart.
    As a native of the much-maligned South ... I believe you.
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    I will out think the fucking pants off of you and you would thank me for helping you out of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bowieluva View Post
    Heh.


    The LAPD is overwhelmingly corrupt. I believe an honorable police officer is the exception, not the rule. That job attracts people hungry for power and a desire to abuse it.
    So pay them $100k a year. The city won't have to settle then.

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    Tweeting that protesters now have black police escorts

    https://mobile.twitter.com/wyzechef/...40329890766848

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chompin View Post
    So pay them $100k a year. The city won't have to settle then.
    Oh, they make more than that runnings gangs and selling drugs in Los Angeles.

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    Just to update, from what I've seen on TV, the setting in Ferguson in much different tonight. There is a peaceful, protest parade going on being led by the new head of security. He is a captain of the Highway Patrol and from the area. It's an effort to have the public and LE in mutual cooperation.
    http://news.yahoo.com/police-chief-s...002948488.html

    FERGUSON Mo. (Reuters) - Missouri's governor moved on Thursday to calm days of racially charged protests over the police shooting of an unarmed black teenager, naming an African-American captain of the Highway Patrol to oversee security in the St. Louis suburb of Ferguson.

    Captain Ron Johnson, who grew up in Ferguson, told reporters he would take a new approach after complaints that police have used heavy-handed tactics, arresting dozens of protesters and using teargas and pepper pellets to break up crowds.

    Ferguson, a mostly black town of 21,000 with a predominantly white police force that has been accused of racial profiling in the past, was bracing for a fifth straight night of protests on Thursday after a police officer shot and killed 18-year-old Michael Brown last weekend.

    Since Sunday, there have been peaceful vigils and demonstrations - with hundreds of protesters holding their hands in the air and chanting "hands up, don't shoot" - as well as episodes of looting, vandalism and violence.

    U.S. President Barack Obama, seeking to defuse tensions in Ferguson, called on police to respect peaceful demonstrations.
    The protests have cast a spotlight on racial tensions in greater St. Louis, where civil rights groups have complained in the past that police racially profiled blacks, arrested a disproportionate number of blacks and had racist hiring practices.

    Governor Jay Nixon praised Ferguson on Thursday for being a diverse, hard-working community, but he said, "lately it has looked a little bit more like a war zone, and that is unacceptable."

    Police have pledged to do better but have also justified the tactics, saying they have responded to the threat of violence during protests.
    ... more at link

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    Quote Originally Posted by debk589 View Post
    This is actually getting pretty scary.
    Good.

    Quote Originally Posted by sarabei View Post
    Yeah, this IS scary, but necessary. Police have WAY to much authority to bully, intimidate, and in worst cases murder people with no consequences. The more that is fought, the better!
    Exactly. Enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chompin View Post
    Police involved in on duty deaths "answer" for a higher percentage than other killers. What is the clearance rate for murder these days.

    And if you are a cop and found to be a criminal, you get fired. You can kill someone in a DUI accident and still play in the NFL, for example, after serving a suspension. I know there are shitty cops, just like in every profession. You want to pay more taxes to pay them better to lure better candidates (or maybe take some of.the handouts from the large number of lazy, stupud pieces of trash we sustain)?

    Damn, I just went libtard and threw money at a problem...
    You are the worst kind of person.
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    Ron was the best part, hands down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron_NYC View Post
    You are the worst kind of person.
    Coming from you and your ilk, I will take.the compliment. Thanks brah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chompin View Post
    Coming from you and your ilk, I will take.the compliment. Thanks brah.
    No worries, garbage.


    Seriously though, anyone who is defending the cops for being CRITICIZED and not defending an unarmed boy that was KILLED, needs to do some serious soul searching.
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    Ron was the best part, hands down.

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    "If someone uses the term 'libtard' you should brace yourself, because you're about to get a serious dose of knowledge."
    Quote Originally Posted by bowieluva View Post
    Ron was the best part, hands down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron_NYC View Post
    No worries, garbage.


    Seriously though, anyone who is defending the cops for being CRITICIZED and not defending an unarmed boy that was KILLED, needs to do some serious soul searching.
    I am not defending this particular cop. I was not there. I am just astounded that it seems there is one profession these days where a few bad apples actually do spoil the bunch. I don't see it like that, but maybe we have better cops here. I've never had an issue with the police, I also don't break the law though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chompin View Post
    I am not defending this particular cop. I was not there. I am just astounded that it seems there is one profession these days where a few bad apples actually do spoil the bunch. I don't see it like that, but maybe we have better cops here. I've never had an issue with the police, I also don't break the law though...
    That's the thing, you simple son of a bitch: YES YOU DO. EVERYONE DOES.

    But when NYPD beats up an elderly man for the "crime" of jaywalking, trash like you makes excuses and justifies it. And stop acting like anyone harassed by police is asking for it.

    You seriously cannot be this fucking stupid. I can't believe I'm doing this. I'm blocking you. I can't stand to see this shit anymore. You're fucking disgusting.

    A fucking kid gets killed in the street, but you think it's a good time to suck a cop's dick? I hope you get cancer and die on Christmas, so even though your family is sad they hold a bit of resentment for ruining the holiday. I hope you stub your toe and it's so horrible they have to amputate. I hope you lose your genitals in a moped accident. I hope the cops you worship beat you and plant heroin on you. To Jesus I pray.
    Quote Originally Posted by bowieluva View Post
    Ron was the best part, hands down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron_NYC View Post
    That's the thing, you simple son of a bitch: YES YOU DO. EVERYONE DOES.

    But when NYPD beats up an elderly man for the "crime" of jaywalking, trash like you makes excuses and justifies it. And stop acting like anyone harassed by police is asking for it.

    You seriously cannot be this fucking stupid. I can't believe I'm doing this. I'm blocking you. I can't stand to see this shit anymore. You're fucking disgusting.

    A fucking kid gets killed in the street, but you think it's a good time to suck a cop's dick? I hope you get cancer and die on Christmas, so even though your family is sad they hold a bit of resentment for ruining the holiday. I hope you stub your toe and it's so horrible they have to amputate. I hope you lose your genitals in a moped accident. I hope the cops you worship beat you and plant heroin on you. To Jesus I pray.
    Holy shit. Someone got to Ron.
    Quote Originally Posted by bowieluva View Post
    Listen, if no one cares when a crazy noodle walks in and executes children with a gun, no one cares about anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shins View Post
    Holy shit. Someone got to Ron.
    I can agree to disagree about a lot of shit, but anyone that is a cop apologist over this murder can fuck the fuck off.

    I'm done with real life friends over this shit. If I get shot those assholes will believe I was "going for the gun" when the cops say that shit.
    Quote Originally Posted by bowieluva View Post
    Ron was the best part, hands down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chompin View Post
    Coming from you and your ilk, I will take.the compliment. Thanks brah.
    Don't.

    My dad worked in law enforcement, prisons & prosecutions related work for 40 yrs & retired in a senior position. My brother & I ended up on an inmate hit list as kids because of his work. Later, his much younger cousin (my age) signed up with NSW Police & joined the (then) TRG (tactical response group). He wasn't what I'd grown up to expect of LE as kid around my dad's mates. They were old school, kids from the bush mostly. Hard bastards, but fair (& I've had a couple of maximum security inmates describe Dad that way). His group of friends at work didn't mix with a lot of the guys. They drank in different pubs, avoided mixing socially & basically tolerated each other to get the job done. When I was little, I used to wonder why he spat on the ground when he said certain names. I figured out the answer to that as a teenager (but that's several other stories).

    To his great disappointment, my cousin, the kid who'd been so in awe of his uniform, failed to absorb any of the wisdom he'd tried to share & turned out to be one of those other guys. So extreme, that even the TRG (who just weeks before his recruitment had killed 2 innocent, just woken, unarmed men in 2 unrelated dawn raids at incorrect addresses) worried that he was too aggressive. He was dating a workmate of mine at the time & I remember being so fucking ashamed we were related when he was refused entry to a local club one friday after work (he didn't have a collared shirt). He flashed his badge & when the frail, gentlemanly WWII vet manning the door apologised & said he couldn't bend the rules or he'd lose his job, my police officer cousin stood over him, nose to nose, finger jabbing in his chest & demanded to be let in. When the old guy stood his ground my cousin started yelling, threatening that next time there was an incident & they needed police assistance they were on their own, their club was blacklisted "YOU'RE FUCKED OLD MAN. YOU'RE GUNNA DIE. REMEMBER MY FACE WHEN YOU'RE BLEEDING ON THE GROUND!! CUNT".

    He was stone cold sober & we had to forcibly drag him out & calm him down because it was getting really ugly (& this was no exclusive club, this was a fucking bowling club - filled with workers, families having dinner & senior citizen bowlers for fks sake - it was more insulting if they let you in & there were plenty of alternatives nearby. It wasn't even unexpected - we'd warned him before hand). All I could think at the time was shit, shit, shit, please don't let him have his gun on him. It was that bad.

    The point of this tl:dr is there were a lot more guys like my cousin than there were guys like my dad. I still read my dad's subscription to Police Journal. I'm not biased against cops. I don't hate all authority, I've worked with LE, I've socialised with LE, I've dated LE. I have a very good friend right now who works in a police forensics unit. But I'm realistic. The police force is like a big family. Every family has it's arseholes & it's violent abusers & when people become conditioned to violence & abuse, it breeds more. Not many people have the ability to withstand those effects & even less can hold out against the intense pressure to conform that comes with it.

    I don't' t post this stuff because I hate all cops. I post it because it's wrong. Shit like this gets innocent "civilians" killed, but it gets good cops killed too (& they are a rare & special breed worldwide). Both those potential outcomes should concern everyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron_NYC View Post
    That's the thing, you simple son of a bitch: YES YOU DO. EVERYONE DOES.

    But when NYPD beats up an elderly man for the "crime" of jaywalking, trash like you makes excuses and justifies it. And stop acting like anyone harassed by police is asking for it.

    You seriously cannot be this fucking stupid. I can't believe I'm doing this. I'm blocking you. I can't stand to see this shit anymore. You're fucking disgusting.

    A fucking kid gets killed in the street, but you think it's a good time to suck a cop's dick? I hope you get cancer and die on Christmas, so even though your family is sad they hold a bit of resentment for ruining the holiday. I hope you stub your toe and it's so horrible they have to amputate. I hope you lose your genitals in a moped accident. I hope the cops you worship beat you and plant heroin on you. To Jesus I pray.
    Yawn...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chompin View Post
    Police involved in on duty deaths "answer" for a higher percentage than other killers. What is the clearance rate for murder these days.

    And if you are a cop and found to be a criminal, you get fired. You can kill someone in a DUI accident and still play in the NFL, for example, after serving a suspension. I know there are shitty cops, just like in every profession. You want to pay more taxes to pay them better to lure better candidates (or maybe take some of.the handouts from the large number of lazy, stupud pieces of trash we sustain)?

    Damn, I just went libtard and threw money at a problem...
    They should. They're there to serve and protect, not kill. So when one kills, it needs to be examined up and down to figure out why a higher authority killed a person he was hired to protect.

    You're really naive if you're gonna play the "cops get a tough gig" card. I know a lot of cops. The departments in southeast MI are corrupt as fuck, and there are plenty of cops breaking big laws and committing serious crime every day. Bribes, drugs, date rape, you name it.

    And LOL @ the DUI example.
    It's not an NFL players job to enforce the law, so that's the team managers job to determine if they are still a good representation of the team. Peoples opinions of that decision are moot.
    If you're a cop and kill someone while DUI, you fucking should be fired because it's your job to enforce the law and bust people for DUI. Sort of a massive conflict in interest there. I mean, they all drink and drive and give eachother passes on the regular for DUI already. Killing someone is just something they can't hide.
    Last edited by Shins; 08-14-2014 at 07:43 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by bowieluva View Post
    Listen, if no one cares when a crazy noodle walks in and executes children with a gun, no one cares about anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shins View Post
    They should. They're there to serve and protect, not kill. So when one kills, it needs to be examined up and down to figure out why a higher authority killed a person he was hired to protect.

    You're really naive if you're gonna play the "cops get a tough gig" card. I know a lot of cops. The departments in southeast MI are corrupt as fuck, and there are plenty of cops breaking big laws and committing serious crime every day. Bribes, drugs, date rape, you name it.
    I agree. In fact I believe that someone in law enforcement who commits a crime should recieve a larger sentence than a civilian would for the same act.

    I was never defending this particular person because I don't know the facts. I have read conflicting accounts which sway my opinion from "this guy needs to go to prison" to "justifiable use of deadly force." I was not there. I just wonder why a few bad instances lead to "all cops are bad." Again, in my area there have been more publicized instances of police dying doing their jobs than them as criminals.

    Then again, none of you know what it is like to be taught "make it home every night" unless you were in law enforcement or the military.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chompin View Post
    I agree. In fact I believe that someone in law enforcement who commits a crime should recieve a larger sentence than a civilian would for the same act.

    I was never defending this particular person because I don't know the facts. I have read conflicting accounts which sway my opinion from "this guy needs to go to prison" to "justifiable use of deadly force." I was not there. I just wonder why a few bad instances lead to "all cops are bad." Again, in my area there have been more publicized instances of police dying doing their jobs than them as criminals.

    Then again, none of you know what it is like to be taught "make it home every night" unless you were in law enforcement or the military.
    Because they're a small minority that are "specially chosen" to protect the people. Sure, "all" is an exaggeration, but the point is that even one bad cop is too many. And the US has fucking thousands of bad cops. We're seeing more and more of them on the news, but the fact is that there are even more we don't hear about.

    It needs to be addressed in order to be fixed, otherwise you're just allowing bad behavior and feeding a monster.

    And don't get all "but i guess you guys dont understand because you're not law enforcement" here, because you will fucking lose. I studied CJ, I grew up with cops, my grandfather was in WW2, and my best friend is in Afghanistan as we speak, so suck it.
    Quote Originally Posted by bowieluva View Post
    Listen, if no one cares when a crazy noodle walks in and executes children with a gun, no one cares about anything.

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    Protesters hug police officers as they move through the crowds in Ferguson.

    The same riotous thugs who needed a military force to control them over the past few days

    https://vine.co/v/MYQhgEPqJUd

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    "Wah, you don't know how hard it is, wah"

    Oh shut the fuck up. It's a fucking job. If you don't like it, do something else. You didn't get drafted you fucking fuck. I'm so fucking tired of that crybaby bullshit.

    I have to walk the same streets as them without a vest, without being armed to the teeth, and without having the biggest gang in the city as backup.

    Shut the fuck up, you have it great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shins View Post
    Because they're a small minority that are "specially chosen" to protect the people. Sure, "all" is an exaggeration, but the point is that even one bad cop is too many. And the US has fucking thousands of bad cops. We're seeing more and more of them on the news, but the fact is that there are even more we don't hear about.

    It needs to be addressed in order to be fixed, otherwise you're just allowing bad behavior and feeding a monster.

    And don't get all "but i guess you guys dont understand because you're not law enforcement" here, because you will fucking lose. I studied CJ, I grew up with cops, my grandfather was in WW2, and my best friend is in Afghanistan as we speak, so suck it.
    So because you heard stories? Okey dokey...so then, as I was trying to ask, how do we fix it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chompin View Post
    I agree. In fact I believe that someone in law enforcement who commits a crime should recieve a larger sentence than a civilian would for the same act.

    I was never defending this particular person because I don't know the facts. I have read conflicting accounts which sway my opinion from "this guy needs to go to prison" to "justifiable use of deadly force." I was not there. I just wonder why a few bad instances lead to "all cops are bad." Again, in my area there have been more publicized instances of police dying doing their jobs than them as criminals.

    Then again, none of you know what it is like to be taught "make it home every night" unless you were in law enforcement or the military.

    No. But every day of my childhood I watched my dad walk out the door & wondered if I'd ever see him again. I did this through the months the entire NSW Prison system was ablaze with rioting. I visited him in hospital when a notorious prisoner put a grappeling hook through his head. I remember when we couldn't walk to school anymore & the deadlocks & security were fitted to our house when they discovered our home address & grade school photos had been shared through the maximum security wing at a NSW Prison.

    Don't presume you're the only person with a valid opinion when the subject of LE comes up. We might have different perspectives, but the subject is the same.

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