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    So I've made this thread into an actual generic MDS article and have pulled all the victims that have been posted into one thread. I made that thread sticky. Starrysky - I had to remove a lot of the links you posted to tribute FBs as they didn't work.

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    it's very sad to see a list like this, all compiled.
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    I removed the broken links that I came across - if anyone finds any more, please let me know.

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    This has been huge coverage where I live as two of the victims were local to me (John Alder & Liam Sweeney).They support the same football as me and were off to watch us in a pre-season tournament in New Zealand. I've put a link in to a tribute page to Liam which shows the flowers, scarfs etc that have been left as a shrine at our ground. Our closest rivals even organised a fund which has gone to over ?20k and been donated to charity. Very sad.

    https://www.facebook.com/pages/RIP-L...595063?fref=ts

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweetleftpeg View Post
    This has been huge coverage where I live as two of the victims were local to me (John Alder & Liam Sweeney).They support the same football as me and were off to watch us in a pre-season tournament in New Zealand. I've put a link in to a tribute page to Liam which shows the flowers, scarfs etc that have been left as a shrine at our ground. Our closest rivals even organised a fund which has gone to over ?20k and been donated to charity. Very sad.

    https://www.facebook.com/pages/RIP-L...595063?fref=ts
    It's a nice tribute

    Someone posted a picture of a suitcase with a book claiming that it had to have belonged to one of them. That's even sadder.
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    Hmmm.

    George and Angela Dyczynski saw much at the MH17 crash site but nothing that diminished their belief their daughter, Fatima, somehow survived.
    The Perth-based parents arrived back in the Netherlands on Tuesday after a five-day trip during which they reached the crash site in rebel-controlled eastern Ukraine.
    At Amsterdam Airport they clasped a flyer for the upcoming International Astronautical Congress in Canada and told AAP: "Fatima is a speaker at the conference."
    There was no suggestion the couple's brilliant 25-year-old daughter might not be able to make it to Toronto in late September.
    Indeed, Ms Dyczynski later threatened to sue anyone who suggested - without evidence - that Fatima was dead.
    The couple want Fatima's colleagues from the space science community to become involved in the crash investigation. They want the best of the best on the case.
    Fatima had, after all, created a start-up company to send nano-satellites into space.
    "She was an aerospace engineer, she was a scientist, she was a young person with new ideas and new perspectives and new horizons," Dr Dyczynski said on Tuesday.
    "We want more scientific investigations with the data that's already gathered. It should start now - not wait months and months until we forget."
    The couple say an expert panel including space scientists could help prevent future incidents.
    Dr Dyczynski believes something is amiss in the world's skies - particularly given the disappearance of MH370 in March.
    "Maybe not all things are looked at from the right perspective," the cardiologist and acupuncturist said.
    "Maybe other perspectives are important to investigate. It's not only maybe a missile [that downed MH17] but something more.
    "If it would have been a missile, and the rebels shot down this aeroplane, they would not have handed out the black boxes."
    It's one thing to question how the plane was brought down, but another to believe a passenger could have survived.
    The fact the Dyczynskis do is down to a combination of faith and science.
    "There is a small possibility that something still survived," Fatima's father said.
    "The people of Donetsk were first at the crash site and if somebody survived maybe they have taken them."
    The couple plan to stay in Amsterdam for two or three days and then likely head home to Australia.
    They've received support from back home and from Foreign Minister Julie Bishop who wrote to them after the crash.
    In return, the Dyczynskis left Ms Bishop, who's currently in Kiev, one of four sunflowers they took from the crash site.
    The remaining three flowers are destined for the Netherland's Princess Beatrix and Fatima's two grandmothers.


    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/couple-w...#ixzz38uCrylz2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olivia View Post
    Hmmm.

    George and Angela Dyczynski saw much at the MH17 crash site but nothing that diminished their belief their daughter, Fatima, somehow survived.
    The Perth-based parents arrived back in the Netherlands on Tuesday after a five-day trip during which they reached the crash site in rebel-controlled eastern Ukraine.
    At Amsterdam Airport they clasped a flyer for the upcoming International Astronautical Congress in Canada and told AAP: "Fatima is a speaker at the conference."
    There was no suggestion the couple's brilliant 25-year-old daughter might not be able to make it to Toronto in late September.
    Indeed, Ms Dyczynski later threatened to sue anyone who suggested - without evidence - that Fatima was dead.
    The couple want Fatima's colleagues from the space science community to become involved in the crash investigation. They want the best of the best on the case.
    Fatima had, after all, created a start-up company to send nano-satellites into space.
    "She was an aerospace engineer, she was a scientist, she was a young person with new ideas and new perspectives and new horizons," Dr Dyczynski said on Tuesday.
    "We want more scientific investigations with the data that's already gathered. It should start now - not wait months and months until we forget."
    The couple say an expert panel including space scientists could help prevent future incidents.
    Dr Dyczynski believes something is amiss in the world's skies - particularly given the disappearance of MH370 in March.
    "Maybe not all things are looked at from the right perspective," the cardiologist and acupuncturist said.
    "Maybe other perspectives are important to investigate. It's not only maybe a missile [that downed MH17] but something more.
    "If it would have been a missile, and the rebels shot down this aeroplane, they would not have handed out the black boxes."
    It's one thing to question how the plane was brought down, but another to believe a passenger could have survived.
    The fact the Dyczynskis do is down to a combination of faith and science.
    "There is a small possibility that something still survived," Fatima's father said.
    "The people of Donetsk were first at the crash site and if somebody survived maybe they have taken them."
    The couple plan to stay in Amsterdam for two or three days and then likely head home to Australia.
    They've received support from back home and from Foreign Minister Julie Bishop who wrote to them after the crash.
    In return, the Dyczynskis left Ms Bishop, who's currently in Kiev, one of four sunflowers they took from the crash site.
    The remaining three flowers are destined for the Netherland's Princess Beatrix and Fatima's two grandmothers.


    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/couple-w...#ixzz38uCrylz2
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boston Babe 73 View Post
    It's a nice tribute

    Someone posted a picture of a suitcase with a book claiming that it had to have belonged to one of them. That's even sadder.
    Yeah, the book is the autobiography of one of our most famous players and manager, really it has to have belonged to one of them. John Adler had never missed a game home or away since the 70s, he traveled all over the world to watch us. Our season starts on August 17th and the club have organised a tribute before the game kicks off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olivia View Post
    Hmmm.

    George and Angela Dyczynski saw much at the MH17 crash site but nothing that diminished their belief their daughter, Fatima, somehow survived.
    The Perth-based parents arrived back in the Netherlands on Tuesday after a five-day trip during which they reached the crash site in rebel-controlled eastern Ukraine.
    At Amsterdam Airport they clasped a flyer for the upcoming International Astronautical Congress in Canada and told AAP: "Fatima is a speaker at the conference."
    There was no suggestion the couple's brilliant 25-year-old daughter might not be able to make it to Toronto in late September.
    Indeed, Ms Dyczynski later threatened to sue anyone who suggested - without evidence - that Fatima was dead.
    The couple want Fatima's colleagues from the space science community to become involved in the crash investigation. They want the best of the best on the case.
    Fatima had, after all, created a start-up company to send nano-satellites into space.
    "She was an aerospace engineer, she was a scientist, she was a young person with new ideas and new perspectives and new horizons," Dr Dyczynski said on Tuesday.
    "We want more scientific investigations with the data that's already gathered. It should start now - not wait months and months until we forget."
    The couple say an expert panel including space scientists could help prevent future incidents.
    Dr Dyczynski believes something is amiss in the world's skies - particularly given the disappearance of MH370 in March.
    "Maybe not all things are looked at from the right perspective," the cardiologist and acupuncturist said.
    "Maybe other perspectives are important to investigate. It's not only maybe a missile [that downed MH17] but something more.
    "If it would have been a missile, and the rebels shot down this aeroplane, they would not have handed out the black boxes."
    It's one thing to question how the plane was brought down, but another to believe a passenger could have survived.
    The fact the Dyczynskis do is down to a combination of faith and science.
    "There is a small possibility that something still survived," Fatima's father said.
    "The people of Donetsk were first at the crash site and if somebody survived maybe they have taken them."
    The couple plan to stay in Amsterdam for two or three days and then likely head home to Australia.
    They've received support from back home and from Foreign Minister Julie Bishop who wrote to them after the crash.
    In return, the Dyczynskis left Ms Bishop, who's currently in Kiev, one of four sunflowers they took from the crash site.
    The remaining three flowers are destined for the Netherland's Princess Beatrix and Fatima's two grandmothers.


    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/couple-w...#ixzz38uCrylz2
    God, that's so sad. And the sunflowers. It was so disconcerting to see this field of beautiful sunflowers right in the middle of everything.

    It really speaks to the power of denial. They place so much faith in aeronautical science, but completely deny medical science stating that such a crash was unsurvivable. Not that I'm denying the merits of aerospace engineering, and I really do think they're right that it could be useful somewhere along the line. But I don't follow their logic about turning over the black boxes. And I doubt, but I could be wrong, that they would actually follow through with suing anyone. Too much time and energy. By the time they went through with a lawsuit, surely they will have identified something among the remains.

    That's one of the most infuriating aspects of the whole thing, that they all fucked around at the crash site and kept investigators from recovering the victims' remains. It just fuels this kind of desperation. It doesn't further any cause. It's just shitty.
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    I removed a few photos from the first page of this thread that were posted from some shitty Spam site called "secretsofthefed". This photos were causing visitors to the thread to receive Malware threats from Google.

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    A long article but it gives a good description of current conditions for Dutch & Australian teams at the recovery sites


    http://www.smh.com.au/world/mh17-tea...803-zzw5r.html



    Grabovka, Ukraine: 'Bring ?em home' became more than just a slogan as Australian Federal Police teams scoured the MH17 crash site for much of Saturday, their quiet bagging of the previously overlooked remains of the victims lending the Prime Minister?s words with rare poignancy.

    Previously just a quilt of fields, the site has assumed a personality; and it has its own dark moods.

    Arriving ahead of the Australian and Dutch recovery teams and the rest of the media pack, we had the site to ourselves for a time



    Oddly for a place that has seen such horror, it was peaceful, even bucolic. Separatist war had raged through the night, but for now the guns were silent. Advertisement The smoke still billowing in the heavens after the guns? exertions might have been mistaken as clouds; and a farmer herded his cattle as a gentle breeze wobbled the wheat and sunflowers. Each visit to the wreckage reveals a detail missed previously. This time, my eye lit on a plastic economy-class coffee cup, sitting perfectly upright as though the slab of fuselage on which it sits is just another kitchen table.



    A suitcase wrapped in red plastic is recovered from the MH17 crash wreckage. Photo: Kate Geraghty

    Our local driver wandered into a wheat field and later reported seeing a man's diving watch lying in the dirt - the second hand still turning. But the site?s dark moodiness asserted itself. The Australian-Dutch recovery mission?s 20-vehicle convoy crept in from the north with its escort of rebel fighters, and while the site itself remained peaceful through the day, there was a renewed rumbling of guns ? like a delinquent percussion section. I wondered, hopefully, about any sense of comfort or peace that this operation might evince in the families and friends of the dead. Would it be more meaningful for them that after a first erratic recovery effort by the rebels and later by Ukrainian emergency services, that this one was done by ?our? people? Is it too soon to ask these questions?


    Australian Federal Police and their Dutch counterparts at the MH17 crash site. Photo: Kate Geraghty

    How might they have responded on seeing the first two dogs trained to search for human remains as they scampered playfully about the site before getting down to their grim task? And would the addition of five more dogs, Dutch and Belgian, to the search on Sunday give them more hope? How difficult might it be fore them to have observed an ambulance nosing into a field nearest to the chicken farm that has become the Dutch-led search headquarters for this part of the operation?

    Then to have seen the small AFP teams moving through the fields, at times dropping to their knees, and using tongs to put their finds in specimen bags? And later, to have seen those bags deposited in a refrigerated truck, which in the evening would head north to Kharkiv, from where its precious cargo would be airlifted to the Netherlands where a Herculean identification effort already is underway on hundreds of bodies and body parts repatriated from the crash. And then another searing moment ? members of one of the AFP teams hefted two suitcases, one of them wrapped in red plastic, onto their shoulders. Whose? Australian, surely? Nobody was saying ? just like the body parts, these cases would retain their anonymity until the formal ID process and notification of kin.

    But what would family and friends made of all this? What would they think of the recovery continuing at its own pace, sometimes with just a handful in the field, as their 60 or so colleagues did who-knows-what back at the chicken farm? These people were not trained soldiers, but they stuck to their task when, as noon approached, so too did a resumption of the encircling war; tank shells exploding smokily behind a nearby tree line and overhead, the sound of another Ukrainian fighter jet. What might they have said to the many reformed smokers in the Dutch contingent, who are back on tobacco since having this crisis dumped in their laps? And who might they believe on an incident on which Dutch and Australian officials remained silent?

    The Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe?s conflict monitors, who escort the Australian investigators and their Dutch colleagues to and from the site, said that security on Saturday was adequate and that relations with the rebel fighters were good in the vicinity of the chicken farm. However, Alexander Hug, leader of the OSCE team, reported that incoming artillery had driven a small investigative team, which included two Australians, away from an area of wreckage near a part of the crash site that reporters have dubbed ?the cockpit village? rather than attempt to pronounce its name, Rassypnoe.

    Mr Hug estimated that the ordinance had landed two kilometres from the team, causing it to abort its visit to a new part of the site. But Aleksandr Bayrak, one of the team?s rebel escorts, gave a more graphic account of the incident, telling us that shells had been fired from about two kilometres away, and were landing as close as 50 metres away as the three-vehicle convoy entered the village of Petropavlovska. Sheltering under a tree on the road into the chicken farm, as much from the sun as the jet, presumably Ukrainian, still prowling overhead, he said: "We stopped on the spot. We pulled your people from the cars and escorted them to a local basement. We were pinned down for maybe 40 minutes. Some of them were so worried; they were holding their heads. Then they asked us to take them to the chicken farm".

    How would the families and friends assess the indefatigable Mr Hug who by mid-afternoon was again poring over maps spread on the bonnet of a car, with his rebel counterparts. With the rumble of incoming shelling still rolling in from nearby Petropavlovska, he needed to confirm a secure route by which to extract the investigators back to their new base at Soledar, 95 kilometres north of the crash site. Huge plumes of smoke could be seen rising from Petropavlovska, about five kilometres to the north. But the 20-vehicle convoy?s return to Soledar was incident free ? save for negotiating steel planks across a fractured bridge that 24 hours earlier had been in sound condition.

    The locals have been curiously absent from this whole exercise. So what might the families and friends have made of the appearance around noon, of a local priest leading a procession of about 50, mostly women, in a prayer service next to the charred remains of the engines of MH17? Clutching flowers and with heads covered, they gathered by a roadside crucifix where the gold-robed priest led prayers and hymns for the dead passengers and crew as they worshiped in their own little cloud of burning incense.

    The priest, Father Sergiy Barahtenko, told us that the service was for "all the dead - our dead and your dead". Showing rare courage for a spiritual leader in a time of war, he exhorted his followers: "This war is awful - it must be stopped. But we cannot take up arms, we have to stop it with prayers". With such a priestly admonition ringing in the ears of locals, perhaps Saturday was the right day for the OSCE to attempt a word-of-mouth campaign to have villagers return items looted from the crash site.

    An OSCE official asked rebel fighters to spread the word, that stolen property should be bagged and left where it could be collected in their community ? no questions asked. What would the families and friends make of that? But what hope can there be when all that remains is body parts? When all that will come home from these fields is what one of the Australian contingent referred to as "the remaining remains".

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    Not sure if memorials belong in this thread or the new one?

    The vid is heartbreaking

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    MH17: Maslin children Mo, Evie and Otis, killed in Malaysia Airlines tragedy, mourned by 1,000 in Perth
    Updated 3 hours ago Perth

    A memorial service for three Perth children and their grandfather killed on Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 has drawn 1,000 people.

    Mo, Evie and Otis Maslin, aged 12, 10 and 8 respectively, and their grandfather, Nick Norris, were aboard the Malaysia Airlines jet shot down over Ukraine in July.

    Foreign Affairs Minister Julie Bishop flew back to Perth from Ukraine to attend Sunday's service at Scotch College, where Mo attended secondary school and his grandfather was a former student.

    The children's mother, Rin Norris, told the service about the joy and delight the children brought her and the lessons she had learnt from them.

    "I can imagine the memory of their bodies close to mine and the love in my heart will always be open for them. My arms will always be reaching for them," she said.

    The children's father, Anthony "Mas" Maslin, said the children had travelled to numerous countries around the world, cramming more into their short lives than most people do in three lifetimes.

    "Someone said they were so close, they were meant to be together," he said.

    "And having Nick, the wisest man I know, as their eternal guide gives us some comfort, too."

    Those attending the service smiled and laughed as stories and anecdotes about each of the children were shared.

    Music tributes were played as photo montages cycled through on large screens.

    Mr Maslin described Evie as the "second mum" and heart of the family.

    "We know Evie is making everything okay for Mo, Otis and Nick," he said.

    "We hope she can somehow make everything okay for us too."



    Mr Maslin described his children as "unblemished, innocent, perfect souls". Having Nick, the wisest man I know, as their eternal guide gives us some comfort. "It may give all of you some perspective to remember that the only thing worse for us than the hell beyond hell that we are going through now is the horrific thought that our family had never existed," he said. "I would choose the short time we have had with them over any normal long-lasting life."
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    Quote Originally Posted by AtlantaAndy View Post
    safest form of travel per million miles traveled that there is.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/flyin...el-2013-7?op=1

    You may die just as dead in a car crash as a plane crash, but at least there's a level of familiarity with a car accident. We can all visualize dying in a car crash, because car travel is nearly universal (at least in the US). Car crashes happen constantly. Air crashes happen rarely, but when they do, it's horrible. On an emotional level, flying is stupid and no one should do it. Statistically it's safe, sure. But I'll never fly, because I will be the exception. I'll crash. I'm Richie Valens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blighted star View Post
    Not sure if memorials belong in this thread or the new one?

    The vid is heartbreaking

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-08-0...ourned/5644166



    more at link above

    Ahh that woman is incredibly strong. If I had just lost my father and all of my children there is no fucking way I could get up in front of 1000 people and make a speech like that. I hope her and her husband are doing okay

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    The first of the formal I.D's have started. I think this is the young guy who I worked in SLP's town?

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-tyne-28668314


    A Newcastle United fan who died on Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 has been formally identified.

    Liam Sweeney's family said they were "happy and relieved" after the announcement.

    Mr Sweeney was one of almost 300 people killed when the Amsterdam-to-Kuala Lumpur plane crashed in eastern Ukraine, on 17 July.

    "We hope that we can now move forward," his parents Barry and Angela said in a statement.

    "Our thoughts are with John Alder's family and the families of the other 296 victims

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    MH17 crash: search for remains halted as Australia begins day of mourning

    The Dutch prime minister has halted the search for the remains of victims of the MH17 crash due to increased fighting between pro-Russian rebels and Ukraine, but Australia’s special envoy said inspections would resume once it was safe.

    The announcement comes as Australians pause for a national day of mourning for the 38 citizens and residents killed when flight 17 was shot down in eastern Ukraine on 17 July, killing all 298 on board. Around 228 coffins have been returned to the Netherlands.

    The Australian prime minister, Tony Abbott, will attend a national memorial service for the victims in Melbourne, joined by grieving families, members of the public, and other dignitaries including the governor general, Sir Peter Cosgrove, and the opposition leader, Bill Shorten.

    Australian flags will fly at half mast, church bells will chime and the nation will pause.

    “We will give thanks for their lives and we will pray for their loved ones,” Abbott said.

    “We will pause.”

    Increasing tension is making it too dangerous for the humanitarian mission – which includes 500 Australians – to continue searching for bodies, the Dutch leader Mark Rutte told a press conference in The Hague on Wednesday. However, he promised victims’ families the search would continue at some point.

    “It doesn’t make sense to continue with the repatriation in this manner,” Rutte said.

    “It goes without saying that Australia and Malaysia and the Organisation for Security and Cooperation are with us on this issue.

    “We have done what we could under the current circumstances.”

    Australia’s special envoy, Air Chief Marshal Houston, said that while the first phase of the humanitarian mission had concluded, Australia was committed to honouring the victims of the doomed flight and giving their loved ones closure.

    “Our purpose was to recover remains from the site. We did this swiftly and thoroughly, while it was safe to do so,” he said in a statement.

    “When search and security conditions improve, we will conduct a final inspection to ensure that we have recovered all identifiable remains.”

    Abbott said 7 August had been set aside to mourn all 298 people who died when the Malaysia Airlines plane was shot down over eastern Ukraine almost three weeks ago.

    But in particular the nation would remember the 38 Australians.

    Melbourne was chosen as the host of the national memorial service because 16 of the people killed were from Victoria. The interdenominational service will take place at St Patrick’s Catholic cathedral.

    In Brisbane, St John’s Anglican cathedral will ring its bells at noon and a candlelit vigil will be held at St George’s Anglican cathedral in Perth, from 5pm (WST).

    Among the victims were the three children of Perth couple Rin and Anthony Maslin – Mo, Evie and Otis – who were remembered at a separate memorial service on Sunday.

    The national memorial service will begin at 10.30am (AEST) on Thursday and will also be broadcast at Federation Square in Melbourne and at King George Square in Brisbane.

    It will be telecast live on ABC.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...remains-halted

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    The Malaysia Airlines to be taken over by the government

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/09/bu...ment.html?_r=0

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    The Malaysia Airlines to be taken over by the government

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/09/bu...ment.html?_r=0
    They'd need to do something to fix the airline's reputation. One plane going down is bad enough but two in one year. Although god knows what happened to the first one. I don't think we'll ever find out what happened to the first one.

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    Sad because this could've happened to any airline, Malaysia Air just has horrible luck. And poor decision making on flight paths per some news outlets.

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