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    They raised 23000 on the gofundme site.

    Ethan shot his sister MANY times.
    They say Kaitlin Austin died of multiple gun shots to her head and body. Ethan died of a single shot to the head.
    The bodies were found in one of the bedrooms in their home with the gun nearby — according to Ethan’s father, Andrew Austin, who discovered the children around 5 p.m. Monday.


    Read More: Autopsy Suggests Ethan Austin Shot Sister, Then Self | http://newstalk870.am/autopsy-sugges...ckback=tsmclip
    Ethan was also a step brother
    Her stepbrother, Ethan, 12, died from a single gunshot wound to the head,

    Read more here: http://www.tri-cityherald.com/2014/0...#storylink=cpy
    Kaitlin went by the last name Austin even tho it wasn't her legal name
    The Benton County Coroner John Hansens has confirmed the identity of the victims. They are identified as 16 year of age Kaitlin Deborah Chavallo aka Austin. Her legal name is still Chavallo although she uses the last name of Austin. The second victim is identified as 12 year of age Ethan Andrew Austin.

    The stepfather who discovered the crime and called police is identified as Andrew Austin. A point of clarification from the previous press release: Andrew Austin is the step-father to Kaitlin and
    biological father to Ethan.
    Here's the moms facebook
    https://www.facebook.com/cyndi.austi...=browse_search

    stepdads
    https://www.facebook.com/drew.austin.9
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    It's pretty obvious that the birth 'father' wasn't in the obituary because he bounced and abandoned all responsibility for his kid early in her life, and she was raised by a different man. And it sounds like he was and is a total douche who has suddenly started caring about his daughter now that she's dead and is making everything about himself and starting shit at a time when it's totally unnecessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olivia View Post
    http://mydeathspace.com/article/2014...murder_suicide


    I'm surprised nobody had commented on this death already. I thought that the sister must have killed the brother, but it seems like it was the other way around.

    The Benton County Coroner?s Office has released the autopsy results for a brother and sister who were found shot to death in Kennewick on Monday.
    The coroner?s office on Thursday said 16-year-old Kaitlin Austin died of multiple gunshot wounds to the head and torso.
    The office says 12-year-old Ethan Austin died from a single gunshot wound to the head.
    The coroner?s office says there is no evidence that another person was involved in the shootings.
    Andrew Austin found the children when he came home Monday. Andrew Austin is the boy?s biological father and the girl?s stepfather.

    http://seattle.cbslocal.com/2014/06/...wick-children/


    Their obituaries -

    Kaitlin Deborah Austin, 16, passed away at her home on June 9, 2014. She was born on June 27, 1997 in Richland, WA. Her parents are Andrew and Cynthia Austin, and she lived in Kennewick all her life.

    Kaitlin aka Kate, Kadie, Kadia, Kaiduh, Kadie Bug, KadieBear, KK, Bloopy, was an honor student at Kamiakin High School. She was a beautiful, happy young lady, always with a smile on her face. She was smart and loved to challenge herself both athletically and in the classroom. She enjoyed pitching for Kamiakin High School Softball and the Washington Angels Organization. She was a three-time Kamiakin Brave Fastpitch WA State Champion and had received multiple athletic awards including Athlete of the Week, All-Conference and All-Area recognition. She enjoyed drawing, painting, and creating art, shopping, spending weekends hanging out with her favorite and much loved Papa and Meme, date nights and cuddling with boyfriend of 2.5 years David Marshall (SnuggleMuffin), sleepovers with Kassidy Arnold and Cassie Ramsey, and loved spending time at Curlew Lake with her family Sea-Doo'ing and boating. Most of all Kate had a very special relationship with her "Muthuh" and best friend Cyndi whom was her biggest fan. Kate was easy to love and be proud of.

    Kate is survived by her mother Cyndi Austin, father Drew Austin, sister Rachel Austin, grandparents Debbie and Arvid Larson. Aunts and Uncles: Jodi and Mike Mahan, Keith and Holly Larson, Rick and Ann Austin. Cousins: Molly, Liam, Matt, Mason, and Marshall Mahan; Hayden and Parker Larson; Brian (Angela) and Matt Austin. In addition, she is survived by a large extended family.

    She is preceded in death by her grandparents Ted and Shirley Austin.

    A Celebration of her life will be held at the Kamiakin High School gymnasium on Thursday, June 19, at 5:00 P.M.

    In lieu of flowers, memorial donations may be made at the HAPO Credit Union "Austin Family Fund."
    - See more at: http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/tri....qxaau6Ox.dpuf

    Read more here: http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/tri...#storylink=cpy









    Ethan Andrew Austin, 12, passed away at his home in Kennewick, WA on June 9, 2014. He was born March 19, 2002 in Richland, WA to parents Andrew and Cynthia Austin. He has lived in Kennewick all his life.

    Ethan, aka Nuggie, Nuglet, Smooch, Lover, Bubba, E-Man, Chip, was a student at Desert Hills Middle School. He was a kind and considerate young man. He was very outgoing, confident, friendly, and had a caring and loving heart. He was a member of the Kennewick First Presbyterian Church, Boy Scout Troop #148, Wyldlife-YoungLife, Tri-City Country Club Junior Golfers, and Practical Edge Junior Team. He loved deer hunting, waterfowl hunting, archery, fishing, camping, golfing, BBQ-ing, hiking, playing chess at lunch, playing the bass guitar in DHMS Band, attending church, dressing up in a tie and dress shirt every Wednesday for Tie Day (which he started at DHMS), going on weekly yogurt dates with Mommy, being with his cousins, spending time at Curlew Lake with his family Sea-Doo'ing, boating, and fishing, riding his bike and playing with his friends. Most of all, he enjoyed time spent with his dad, and best friend Drew, doing all the above activities together. He was the kind of son you would always hope for.

    Ethan is survived by his mother Cyndi Austin, father Drew Austin, sister Rachel Austin, grandparents Debbie and Arvid Larson. Aunts and Uncles: Jodi and Mike Mahan, Keith and Holly Larson, Rick and Ann Austin. Cousins: Molly, Liam, Matt, Mason, and Marshall Mahan; Hayden and Parker Larson; Brian (Angela) and Matt Austin. In addition, he is survived by a large extended family. - See more at: http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/tri....7Nv5TSxd.dpuf

    Read more here: http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/tri...#storylink=cpy
    its true he did start tie day infact everyone at my school wore a tie on the wednesday after he died (btw i go to dhms and nothing like that has ever happened before, everyone was talking about it and i never knew who he was until i saw the yearbook photo now that i think about it i saw him a few times last year

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    This came up in my notifications in the news feeds. I think Daily Mail is a little behind on the news report, but I'll post it here because at the link...there are a lot of pictures.

    Kaitlin Austin, 16, and Ethan Austin, 12 were discovered dead from gunshot wounds in a bedroom of their Hansen Park, Washington, home (bottom right) in June. The coroner's office has determined that the sister died of multiple gunshot wounds to the head and torso, while her younger brother, an avid hunter and gun enthusiast (top right), died from a single self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head.

    The family's lawyer said Ethan Austin did not suffer from any mental health issues, and there was no known animosity between siblings
    The 12-year-was was an avid hunter who was allowed to handle firearms in the presence of adults



    The weapon used in the killing was a handgun owned by Drew Austin. The firearm had been locked in a safe, to which Ethan had access.
    The 12-year-old was a Boy Scout and an avid hunter who was allowed to handle weapons when supervised by adults. According to his Facebook page, he bagged himself a deer last fall.
    Johnson said Ethan was not suffering from any mental health problems and was not taking any medications.
    Toxicology test results showed that drugs and alcohol played no role in the incident.
    The lawyer added that there was no indication that there had been animosity between the brother and sister.


    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3FpzvKaXo
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    Why the fuck is a 12 year old an avid gun enthusiast?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bowieluva View Post
    Why the fuck is a 12 year old an avid gun enthusiast?
    Thank you!

    I'm not a vegan, and most definitely not a member of PETA, but I hate when people brag about killing anything other than spiders, mice, rats, and flies. I live around a lot of deer, and I hope no one shoots one around here.

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    What's the point in having a safe if a 12 year old gun enthusiast has access to it?
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    I was about to be annoyed that this thread was still active, but I see now it's morphed into offers of sex for chilli confectionary, so carry on guys :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuchAClassicGirl View Post
    What's the point in having a safe if a 12 year old gun enthusiast has access to it?
    To stop criminals & the government stealing them.


    Cos' everyone knows family & friends never fire the guns involved in homicides.

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    I'd say blasting your sister is a "sign of animosity."

    Some people hunt. It's not for me, but I enjoy eating dead animals, and am glad someone else is willing to do the dirty work for my dining pleasure.

    I agree a preteen should not have had access to the safe. Teaching a mentally sound child to hunt and shoot responsibly is all fine and dandy in my book. But you've got to keep that shit locked securely. Kids do stupid impulsive things. There's a reason you have to be an adult to buy a gun. I don't trust most adults with access to guns.

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    Does anyone else but me think its odd to have "lover" listed as one of your kids nicknames? I am going to go all Lifetime Drama on this (with no proof of course) and say maybe he had "feelings" for his sister and she freaked out and he freaked out and got the gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fleta View Post
    I agree a preteen should not have had access to the safe. Teaching a mentally sound child to hunt and shoot responsibly is all fine and dandy in my book. But you've got to keep that shit locked securely. Kids do stupid impulsive things. There's a reason you have to be an adult to buy a gun. I don't trust most adults with access to guns.
    Yep. Keep kids& teens out of the gun safe. Years ago, a friend of mine lost her son because he had a stupid car accident. Not his fault but he was so upset that he came home, grabbed his Dad's gun and shot himself. Absolutely senseless.
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    lol at Nestle being some vicious smiter, she's the nicest person on this site besides probably puzzld. Or at least the last person to resort to smiting.
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    Sexual assult

    Quote Originally Posted by Angiebla View Post
    I am venturing a guess here...I think the murder suicide was unplanned and a result of a decision being made based on emotions. 12 year olds are very impulsive, and don't think about consequences to their actions.

    My stepsister when to school with a kid that got into an arguement with his mother and went into his room and killed himself. The gun was his father's. He was 12 as well.
    Some of the articles revealed that Kate was sexually assaulted. I have not found any additional details about this, but it clearly would lead to motive. What did this 12 year old do to his sister? Was it pre or post mortem? The articles simply state that she was assaulted, how could this not be part of his motive?

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    I think you are spot-on. Several articles reveal that she was "sexually assaulted", but no information beyond that.

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    I'm phone posting but there's a good article here from November last year

    http://www.tri-cityherald.com/2014/1...ns-before.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olivia View Post
    I'm phone posting but there's a good article here from November last year

    http://www.tri-cityherald.com/2014/1...ns-before.html
    So the ME didn't want to release the motive, but the DA disagrees with the ME. The ME wanted to respect the family.

    The motive- a very disturbed boy who wanted to rape his sister.

    A nearly four-month police investigation revealed that there were few signs that a Kennewick sixth-grader would kill his teenage sister last summer and then turn the gun on himself.

    Some friends and neighbors described Ethan Austin, 12, as infatuated with guns and first-person shooter video games, according to police reports recently released under the state Public Records Act.

    But most who knew the Boy Scout say he was an outgoing child who was friendly and often played with other children in his neighborhood.

    Ethan appeared happy and normal the weekend before the June 9 shooting that left Kaitlin Austin dead, police reports said. Evidence shows the 16-year-old junior at Kamiakin High School was shot eight times and sexually assaulted.

    During the weekend, Ethan had a sleepover with a friend, rode bikes through his neighborhood and watched his sister play softball the night before the shooting.

    ?(A close friend) stated that there didn?t appear to be any problems with Kate and Ethan at the game,? a Kennewick police detective wrote. ?(The friend) described them as acting normal and mellow with each other.?

    Something changed by Monday, the day of the shooting, as friends reported that the usually social Ethan was different at Desert Hills Middle School. It appeared he was withdrawn and troubled by something.

    However, Ethan ? who reportedly got angry easily and had Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD) ? did not mention to friends that he was upset or depressed, police reports said.

    ?(A classmate) stated that on Monday he could see in Ethan?s eyes that something was really bothering him,? a Kennewick police detective wrote. ?(The friend) stated Ethan was either really tired or something happened.?

    An adult neighbor even noticed something was different with Ethan as he walked from the bus stop to his Hansen Park home after school, police reports said. The smile he usually flashed was gone and it seemed like something was wrong.

    The woman told police Ethan partially waved at her and his ?visible outward mood was so different.?

    Not long after Ethan came home, he got a 9mm pistol from a case in his parents? room and shot Kaitlin, who had arrived home shortly before. Evidence suggested shots were fired from a hallway and inside Kaitlin?s bedroom.

    The Kamiakin softball star was getting ready to celebrate an anniversary with her longtime boyfriend, who was leaving for college soon.

    Ethan had trained with the gun for competitions, and it was usually stored unlocked in the house, said the reports.

    Kennewick attorney Scott Johnson, who represents the Austin family, had previously said he thought the gun was locked up the day of the shooting.

    The bodies were found by their father, Andrew Austin, on Kaitlin?s bedroom floor, police reports said. Andrew is Ethan?s biological father and had raised Kaitlin from the time she was a baby. Ethan had only just learned they had different fathers.

    Police spent the weeks following the shooting conducting dozens of interviews, scouring social media accounts and phone records, and collecting evidence to send to the Washington State Patrol Crime Lab.

    Pornography websites were found on a cellphone used by Ethan, and some references to gun violence were scribbled in a Mad Libs book in his room. However, there were no indications on social media that Ethan planned to kill Kaitlin, and no suicide note was found, according to the police reports that totaled hundreds of pages.

    Police investigated the possibility that someone else killed the children, though they assured the public at the time that they believed no one else was involved.

    The forensic pathologist who conducted the autopsies ruled in early August that the case was a murder-suicide, but police and coroner officials waited until they received DNA test results in late September before making their conclusion official.

    Nearly four months after the shooting, Benton County Coroner John Hansens and police officials ruled the death investigation a murder-suicide. Ethan was identified as the shooter in a news release issued Oct. 10.

    ?No motive was identified for the incident,? Hansens said in the release.

    But Prosecutor Andy Miller ? in an email later to Hansens and Kennewick Police Chief Ken Hohenberg ? disagreed with the wording in the public statement that no motive was developed during the investigation. Miller told the officials the discovery of Ethan?s DNA directly contradicted their news release and the notion that there was no possible motive.

    Johnson also told the media there was no evidence to suggest a clear motive for the shooting.

    ?Unfortunately, I think the end result is that the public is being misled,? Miller wrote in an email to Hansens and Hohenberg.

    Police told the media they released few details about the case and the investigation out of deference to the Austin family. They said the family was clearly devastated and they wanted to balance the needs of the Austins with the release of information to the public.

    The Austins are trying to move forward with their lives and honor the memories of both children, Johnson said.

    Read more here: http://www.tri-cityherald.com/2014/1...#storylink=cpy

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    Weird. Just last night I watched a new HBO documentary -- "Requiem for the Dead: American Spring 2014", which is about gun violence in America. Specifically, it focuses on gun-related deaths during the the Spring of 2014. It was both sad and riveting. They use a lot of screencaps of Facebook posts, etc, in the film, and at one point I even turned to my girlfriend and said, "This is sort of like MyDeathSpace in movie form." If you have HBO/HBO Now, you should check it out.

    Anyway, format-wise they basically fly through a lot of the deaths by showing the news headline, then a photo of the victim, but for some cases they slow down and go more in-depth. This case was one they decided to focus on. I remembered it from last year; it stuck with me. They showed photos from the crime scene, which I hadn't seen before, with the bodies blacked-out.

    They also mentioned the sexual assault angle, which was a detail I had somehow forgotten. This led me to Google the case again, but I couldn't find additional information about that aspect of it. It's mystifying to me, and makes this case even more disturbing.

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    "Miller told the officials the discovery of Ethan's DNA directly contradicted their news release and the notion that there was no possible motive."

    Does this mean they found his sperm on/in her and they consider Ethan raping Kate to be his motive for killing her? The earlier part of the article makes it sound like he shot her away as soon as she walked in the door. Did he rape her after she died? Very puzzling.

    I was abroad for all of last June and so this is the first time I've heard about this case!

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    the way "discovery of DNA" is used pretty strongly implies some sort of penetration to me.

    and in one of the coroners statements he declines to comment further on the location of wounds in consideration of the family.

    saying that after they have already specified head and torso makes me think there is almost certainly a sexual significance to at least one of the shots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilson MacGregor View Post
    the way "discovery of DNA" is used pretty strongly implies some sort of penetration to me.

    and in one of the coroners statements he declines to comment further on the location of wounds in consideration of the family.

    saying that after they have already specified head and torso makes me think there is almost certainly a sexual significance to at least one of the shots.
    In the above article it says this
    Evidence shows the 16-year-old junior at Kamiakin High School was shot eight times and sexually assaulted.
    It's not the ME's job to be considerate of the family...it's his job to be truthful. I do understand why tho.
    I think it's safe to say that the boy raped his sister...especially if they are saying Sexually assaulted and DNA. IDK if he did that before or after he shot her. It's obvious this boy has some disturbing mental issues.

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    definitely, but you can have sexual assault without penetration was my point. i think its most likely by the wording that we are talking about penetration and discovery of semen tho.

    and my point on the shots is that while the ME does have to be truthful he does not have to divulge every detail, he may have been able to just say "shot multiple times" and said nothing more. but he was willing to say more than that, he was ok with saying shot in head and torso, but not specifically where in deference to the family. i can only think of one reason for that, as i mentioned above.

    and i agree with you, especially considering the mention of the disagreement about motive - i think the most likely scenario is that the boy had just become sexually aware, discovered porn, and somehow got all messed up and fixated on his sister. maybe complicated even more by the recent discovery that they were step siblings. also possibly exacerbated by the sister getting closer and closer to her boyfriend and maybe having less and less time for her brother.

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    Welcome Wilson! Good first posts.

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    FUCK YOU I WAS FRIENDS WITH HIM AND HE WOULD NEVER DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilson MacGregor View Post
    definitely, but you can have sexual assault without penetration was my point. i think its most likely by the wording that we are talking about penetration and discovery of semen tho.

    and my point on the shots is that while the ME does have to be truthful he does not have to divulge every detail, he may have been able to just say "shot multiple times" and said nothing more. but he was willing to say more than that, he was ok with saying shot in head and torso, but not specifically where in deference to the family. i can only think of one reason for that, as i mentioned above.

    and i agree with you, especially considering the mention of the disagreement about motive - i think the most likely scenario is that the boy had just become sexually aware, discovered porn, and somehow got all messed up and fixated on his sister. maybe complicated even more by the recent discovery that they were step siblings. also possibly exacerbated by the sister getting closer and closer to her boyfriend and maybe having less and less time for her brother.
    You.... little shit. You never even fucking knew him

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    Quote Originally Posted by u2addict View Post
    Until he grabbed a gun and murdered his sister.........

    I hear ya Crickets.
    you cold hearted bitch. You never knew him so don't be blaming him for anything. He was my best friend so shut the fuck up

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anosmia View Post
    "Miller told the officials the discovery of Ethan's DNA directly contradicted their news release and the notion that there was no possible motive."

    Does this mean they found his sperm on/in her and they consider Ethan raping Kate to be his motive for killing her? The earlier part of the article makes it sound like he shot her away as soon as she walked in the door. Did he rape her after she died? Very puzzling.

    I was abroad for all of last June and so this is the first time I've heard about this case!
    HE WAS FUCKING 12 I KNEW HIM AND HE WOULD NEVER DO THAT YOU OLD HAG

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