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    Morgan has been diagnosed with schizophrenia. Her father also has it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinkasaurus View Post
    Morgan has been diagnosed with schizophrenia. Her father also has it.
    Yeah. They talked about that. I just wondered if she had something else tho. IDK that much about schizophrenia, so I wasn't sure if it would explain her barbies being mutilated? Or the suicidal notes she had? I was also wondering about the fact that she had no empathy even at a very young age, but I just looked and it seems like people with schizorphrenia have problems showing emotions....so that answered that question anyway.

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    It is rare for such an early onset of symptoms but definately possible. I feel for her mom, but imo, she has been in denial about her daughter for a long time. The footage of her daughter's room is horrible to see. There is nothing normal about any of it. Good documentary though.

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    Composite I made of them and their victim over time. Last I heard the trials are still on for this fall.

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    https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&so..._6W-oteR3a1imA

    Like to the full documentary. I'm in the middle of watching it now. Not sure what to make of the kids yet but I'm surprised at how normal and involved their parents are. Morgan's Mum comes across slightly quirky but still loving.

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    Anissa Weier, 15, pleaded guilty to a lesser charge of attempted second degree intentional homicide, party to a crime for the 2014 stabbing of her classmate Payton Leutner.

    She was initially charged with attempted first-degree intentional homicide.

    Weier's trial next month will determine whether she is legally responsible for the crime or not guilty due to mental illness. If found guilty, Weier could face 10 years in prison. If not, she will have to spend three years in a mental hospital.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crim...icle-1.3429617

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinkasaurus View Post
    Anissa Weier, 15, pleaded guilty to a lesser charge of attempted second degree intentional homicide, party to a crime for the 2014 stabbing of her classmate Payton Leutner.

    She was initially charged with attempted first-degree intentional homicide.

    Weier's trial next month will determine whether she is legally responsible for the crime or not guilty due to mental illness. If found guilty, Weier could face 10 years in prison. If not, she will have to spend three years in a mental hospital.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crim...icle-1.3429617
    ........ is this because of their age?
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    Quote Originally Posted by daisylane View Post
    ........ is this because of their age?
    Partially, but also this girl has a long history of mental illness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bowieluva View Post
    Partially, but also this girl has a long history of mental illness.
    It's just interesting looking at this vs the teen that clearly snapped with the machete in the uber - why does one case consider mh, the other not? (it's the same here, I just don't understand)
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    Quote Originally Posted by daisylane View Post
    It's just interesting looking at this vs the teen that clearly snapped with the machete in the uber - why does one case consider mh, the other not? (it's the same here, I just don't understand)
    A diagnosis? Age? Circumstances. These kids were following Slenderman. The Uber driver killer stole a machete, and killed someone. Since being in jail she's continued to act like a thug. If you watch the documentary, these were delusional, and mentally ill little girls. Jmo
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    Quote Originally Posted by Queena View Post
    A diagnosis? Age? Circumstances. These kids were following Slenderman. The Uber driver killer stole a machete, and killed someone. Since being in jail she's continued to act like a thug. If you watch the documentary, these were delusional, and mentally ill little girls. Jmo
    I think you're correct here. Technically, anyone who feels they have the right to deviate from social norms to the moral extent of violence and murder is suffering from mental health flaws but it generally only serves as a defense when the person can prove that they literally do not have control over themselves or any concept of the consequences of their actions, that they are delusional. They do not know right from wrong behavior.

    Being diagnosed as a psychopath or sociopath does not clear you of responsibility for your actions because you DO have the ability to discern right from wrong and just don't care, which seems to be the case in the machete attack. With these two little girls, one was severely delusional and schizo-affective and the other I believe had a very borderline IQ.
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    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...im-letter.html

    'I tackled her, I stabbed her': Slenderman attack girl, 15, cries as she describes luring her classmate to a woodland clearing before stabbing her 19 times

    Morgan Geyser, now 15, cried as judge told her to describe the brutal stabbing
    Lured Payton Leutner to the woods and attacked her urged on by Anissa Weier
    Leutner was 12 at the time, like attackers, and survived after a cyclist found her
    Geyser pleaded guilty to first-degree intentional homicide over the 2014 attack

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    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...im-letter.html

    'I tackled her, I stabbed her': Slenderman attack girl, 15, cries as she describes luring her classmate to a woodland clearing before stabbing her 19 times

    Morgan Geyser, now 15, cried as judge told her to describe the brutal stabbing
    Lured Payton Leutner to the woods and attacked her urged on by Anissa Weier
    Leutner was 12 at the time, like attackers, and survived after a cyclist found her
    Geyser pleaded guilty to first-degree intentional homicide over the 2014 attack

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    http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/07/us/sle....html?adkey=bn

    Teen in 'Slenderman' stabbing going to mental institution under plea deal

    The second Wisconsin teenager accused of stabbing a classmate in 2014 has pleaded guilty, but will not be held criminally responsible for the crime as part of a plea agreement.
    Morgan Geyser, 15, entered the guilty plea to a charge of attempted first-degree murder for stabbing the classmate to please a fictional Internet character known as Slenderman with the help of her friend, 15-year-old Anissa Weier.

    The plea agreement called for Geyser to enter the plea, and then for Judge Michael Bohren to find her not guilty by reason of mental disease or defect, meaning she would ultimately not be held criminally responsible for the attack. Bohren accepted the plea deal on Thursday.

    "It's a confusing thing to describe because clearly she committed an offense but the law doesn't treat her as responsible for that crime because of her mental illness," Geyser's attorney, Anthony Cotton explained to CNN Saturday.

    As part of the deal, under Wisconsin law, Geyser avoids further jail time and will be committed to a mental institution. In the end, Cotton said, Geyser "would not be considered to have a criminal record."

    "It just seemed like there was very little to fight over at the end," said Cotton after the plea. "We were all sort of at a pint where she clearly had played a role in the offense, and on the other hand was clearly mentally deficient such that I really thought cooler heads ought to prevail and the parties ought to get together and reach this agreement."


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    http://abcnews.go.com/US/2nd-teen-sl...ry?id=52752635

    2nd teen in 'Slender Man' stabbing case to remain in institutional care for 40 years

    A Wisconsin judge has sentenced the second of two teenage girls accused of the 2014 attempted homicide of their friend by stabbing her in the woods to please the fictional character Slender Man.

    Morgan Geyser, 15, was sentenced to 40 years under a mental health institution's supervision. While she may periodically petition for release from the hospital in the future, she will be under institutional supervision for that time.

    "I just want to let Bella and her family know that I?m sorry," Geyser told the court after arguments, breaking into tears. "I never meant this to happen. I hope that she?s doing well."

    Bella is the nickname Geyser had given the victim, Payton Leutner, when they were younger.

    Geyser and Anissa Weier were arrested May 31, 2014, after attacking Leutner with a knife and leaving her behind in the Waukesha woods. All three girls were 12 years old at the time.

    Leutner was stabbed 19 times, but able to crawl to a nearby road where a passing bicyclist stopped to help her. Now 15, she survived her life-threatening injuries.

    Prosecutors have said that both Geyser and Weier were obsessed with Slender Man, a character often depicted in fan fiction online as a horror figure who stalks children.

    During the sentencing hearing, both prosecutors and Geyser?s defense attorneys called on mental health professionals who had evaluated Geyser to testify. Psychologist Dr. Brooke Lundbohm and psychiatrist Dr. Kenneth Robbins both testified that Geyser had made progress in her mental health treatment. But Lundbohm, who was court-appointed, testified that Geyser was still hearing voices near the time of her October 2017 evaluation.

    "She had reported that she had last heard an auditory hallucination that she calls 'Maggie' just a few weeks before our contact," Lundbohm said.

    Geyser's attorneys also called on Jessie Andrews, the director of forensic services at Winnebago Mental Health Institute where Geyser now lives. Andrews testified that Geyser "does not present with psychotic symptoms at this time." Geyser, according to Andrews, has been held with adults at Winnebago Mental Health Institute because her case was in adult court. She is the youngest patient in her living unit.

    "I would estimate it was August or September 2017 when [Geyser's] psychotic symptoms were gone," Andrews said.

    When asked, court-appointed psychologist Dr. Kent Berney concurred with a report he submitted that he believed Geyser "is appropriate for consideration for a less-restrictive setting than in-patient psychiatric care" and that residential treatment would be "optimal."

    Prosecutors asked for the maximum sentence of 40 years under institutional supervision, while Geyser?s attorneys asked for a length of time similar to Weier?s sentence.

    In December 2017, Weier, now 16, was sentenced to 25 years under a mental health institution's supervision, after a jury found her not guilty by reason of mental disease or defect after she had pleaded guilty to second-degree attempted intentional homicide, party to a crime.

    Geyser pleaded guilty last year to attempted first-degree intentional homicide, party to a crime. However, she agreed to a plea deal with prosecutors in which the court also found her not guilty by reason of mental disease or defect, despite her guilty plea.

    "Please take into consideration everything my daughter and family has endured when deciding your sentence for Morgan," Josef Leutner, Payton Leutner's father, wrote in a victim impact statement to Judge Michael Bohren ahead of Geyser's sentencing. "Payton should not have to spend the remainder of her youth with her curtains closed, looking over her shoulder every day and praying that they will not come after her again."

    Josef Leutner wrote in his statement that the incident took away many of the things his family once enjoyed doing together.

    "My family used to spend a lot of time together taking road trips to hike different areas, camp, or just take our pup to the dog park," he wrote. "They have all become a distant memory for us because Payton refuses to go back in the woods and sleeping there is completely out of the question."

    In the statement, Josef Leutner also wrote about the hours and days after his daughter was stabbed.

    "Daily care was an immense process as she healed because she could not bend or stand up on her own," he wrote. "She spent many nights sleeping next to [her mother] Stacie so she would not have to be alone, while I slept in her bed. Between follow-up visits to the doctor, court dates, and emotional care, we have not had a chance to find a new normal. But here we are, for better or worse, we are together."

    Stacie Leutner also wrote a victim's impact statement that was given to the judge before Weier?s sentencing. In it, she wrote that her family accepted the plea deals for both Weier and Geyser to keep her daughter from testifying.

    "Traumatizing her further didn't seem worth it," Stacie Leutner wrote. "[Payton] has never talked about her attack so asking her to testify and relive her experience in front of a courtroom of strangers felt cruel and unnecessary."

    Stacie Leutner also wrote that her daughter felt a mental health facility was best for her attackers.

    Morgan Geyser's mother Angie Geyser told "20/20" she often thinks about Payton Leutner and her family.

    "I'm so sorry for what Payton went through and for what they must have gone through, and I would take it back if I could," Angie Geyser said. "I hope that they can understand that it wasn't the Morgan that they knew who did this to their daughter. That Morgan was sick, she wasn't in control of her brain and I hope that maybe someday they can forgive her."

    "When you send your child to another family's home, you trust that family to keep your child safe while she's there," Angie Geyser said, "and I'm sorry that we didn't."
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    Personally, I think that was the right sentence for her.

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    I think 40 years is too long. Yes it was a horrific crime. But I think if she is getting actual treatment (both medication and therapy) rather than just sitting in a jail cell, she should be re-evaluated at 20 years and then decide. Think about your own life, and if you are at least 35, how much have you changed between age 15 and 35? I think most of us would think we had changed a lot in that time. Right now its 2018. How well do you remember your life in 1998? That was only twenty years ago. That is one way to get a sense of how long it would be. A forty year sentence would be like going back to 1978. Just some thoughts....

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    I agree it's too long.
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    You think she got to watch the documentary or the new Slender Man trailer? I'll bet she's all "I GOTTA SEE THAT FUCKIN MOVIE!!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinkasaurus View Post
    I think 40 years is too long. Yes it was a horrific crime. But I think if she is getting actual treatment (both medication and therapy) rather than just sitting in a jail cell, she should be re-evaluated at 20 years and then decide. Think about your own life, and if you are at least 35, how much have you changed between age 15 and 35? I think most of us would think we had changed a lot in that time. Right now its 2018. How well do you remember your life in 1998? That was only twenty years ago. That is one way to get a sense of how long it would be. A forty year sentence would be like going back to 1978. Just some thoughts....
    She was sentenced to 40 years and it does say in the article that she will be reevaluated every so often for release. That's why I thought it was a fair sentence, because I really doubt she'll be locked up for 40 yrs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bermstalker View Post
    She was sentenced to 40 years and it does say in the article that she will be reevaluated every so often for release. That's why I thought it was a fair sentence, because I really doubt she'll be locked up for 40 yrs.
    And if she is, it means she needs to be.
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    Hopefully these two will be like Pauline Parker and Juliet Hulme. They've managed to go the rest of their lives without killing anyone else. Interestingly, those two only got a five-year sentence each.

    I've always thought of that case in connection to this one, not just because they both involved two teenage girls... but because they both involved the girls sharing a strong fantasy life with each other.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parker...me_murder_case

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    This case always reminds me of the death of Skylar Neese. The only difference is that these girls were 12 and just a little crazy...and Skylar's killers were two horrendous cunts who need to die in prison.
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    Quote Originally Posted by puke View Post
    You think she got to watch the documentary or the new Slender Man trailer? I'll bet she's all "I GOTTA SEE THAT FUCKIN MOVIE!!"
    Just, fucking why?

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