I didn't know the guy who killed those women was Steven Stayner's brother! That is crazy. I remember when the murders of the 3 women (the mother, daughter, and friend) happened, because it's not that far from me so it was all over the local news. Not just local of course, it was a huge story. I remember it always being on the news every day, when they were looking for the killer. I didn't even know he killed a 4th person, I just knew of the Carole and Juli Sund and their exchange student. re-reading that last sentence I just typed, I feel bad that I can remember the names of the mother and daughter but not of the exchange student living with them who was also murdered![]()
Staynor wasn't a serial killer, he was a multiple murderer. He murdered three women at the same time who were part of one group, and his fourth victim was also killed in that location within the same time. He's not even qualified as a spree killer, really.
I don't know why he's being called a serial killer. If he's a serial killer than anyone who has killed more than one person at a time is a serial killer.
Trifle, but still.
And Ron, it sounds like the one guy was basically brainwashed by a cult, and that's why he disappeared. But there are plenty of people who come from very abusive families where they may not have any friends as a result of their shitty life who want to run away and start anew, and have no one who deserves to know where they are.
The story of Gabriel Nagy, of Australia reminded me of the Indy film Walkabout. I don't know why but it did. I love that movie.
Fibro Fog has taken over. I am in a constant state of dyscognition so please excuse my retardation.
'The worst things in the world are justified by belief'- Raised by Wolves SOI
"Your life is short, it's the longest thing you'll ever do/ the worse the curse was that your dreams came true/
God is a mirror in which each man sees himself/ Hell is place where you don't need anyone's help"
~You got to cry with out weeping. Talk without speaking
Scream without raising your voice~
Everywhere I looked from Murderpedia to Wiki (I know it not all accurate) he is named as a serial killer. So, I did a lil sleuthing.....
From the FBI
BBM:
The term ?serial killings? means a series of three or more killings, not less than one of which was committed within the United States, having common characteristics such as to suggest the reasonable possibility that the crimes were committed by the same actor or actors.
From the same article....
Serial Murder: The unlawful killing of two or more victims by the same offender(s), in separate events.
Very interesting read, btw.
http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/pu.../serial-murder
Article about Multible murders from About.com....
BBM:
Multiple murderers are people who have killed more than one victim. Based on the patterns of their murders, multiple killers are classified into three basic categories -- mass murderers, spree killers, and serial killers.
http://crime.about.com/od/serial/a/killer_types.htm
I don't care what his is classified as just so he is in a cage for the rest of his miserable little life.
Fibro Fog has taken over. I am in a constant state of dyscognition so please excuse my retardation.
'The worst things in the world are justified by belief'- Raised by Wolves SOI
"Your life is short, it's the longest thing you'll ever do/ the worse the curse was that your dreams came true/
God is a mirror in which each man sees himself/ Hell is place where you don't need anyone's help"
~You got to cry with out weeping. Talk without speaking
Scream without raising your voice~
Yeah, he was a multiple murderer, not a serial killer. He just got labeled that to make him more sensationalistic. He killed all those women at the same time and they were part of a group.
Nitpicky but it annoys me because I think it's trying to make him seem a lot more interesting than he is.
Michele Whitaker:
https://www.goupstate.com/article/NC...s/605182588/SJ
Alive and well: Mystery of missing woman is over
I thought we had a thread on this at one time, but I can't find it.
https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/loca...n-fla/1955145/
Mom Who Disappeared Found Alive 11 Years Later
Eleven years after she vanished without a trace, Brenda Heist approached police in Florida last week to explain that she had abandoned her two children on the spur of the moment, leaving behind her old life in central Pennsylvania to become a vagrant.
That new life apparently lost its charm, police in central Pennsylvania said Wednesday as they recounted her journey. It began when three strangers reached out to comfort her as she cried in despair in a park in 2002, then offered to let her accompany them. She took them up on it.
Heist, a car dealership bookkeeper, was going through an amicable divorce and had just been turned down for housing assistance. She left the half-done laundry, the defrosting dinner and her daughter and son, then 8 and 12 years old.
"Everybody that knew Brenda told us there was absolutely no way Brenda would leave her children," said Lititz Borough Police Det. John Schofield, who suspected for years she may have been killed.
"She explained to me that she just snapped," said Schofield, who met with her Monday in Florida. "She turned her back on her family, she turned her back on her friends, her co-workers."
He said she expressed shame and apologized for what she did to her family.
"She has a birth certificate and a death certificate, so she's got a long ways to make this right again," Schofield said. "She's got to take it slow with her family, I'm sure, and it's going to be a long process."
After she dropped off her children at school one day, Heist decided to join the three strangers as they hitchhiked for a month along Interstate 95 on their way to South Florida. She told Schofield she slept in tents and under bridges, survived by scavenging restaurant trash and panhandling, and kept her previous life a secret, contacting no one and using a pseudonym.
Now 54, Heist told police she spent seven years living with a man in a camper and working odd jobs, but more recently she was homeless again, living in a tent facility run by a social service agency.
"She said she was at the end of her rope, she was tired of running," Schofield said.
Her husband, Lee Heist, who was investigated and then cleared as a suspect, struggled to raise their children. By 2010, he was able to get the courts to declare her legally dead and collected on a life insurance policy. He has remarried.
Today, their daughter is a West Chester University sophomore, and their son recently graduated from the same college and is pursuing a career in law enforcement.
"They knew that I was there, and I loved them and would take care of them," Lee Heist told reporters.
He's angry because of the effect their mother's disappearance had on the children, but he also said he has forgiven her.
"There were people in the neighborhood who would not allow their children to play with my children" because he had been a suspect, he said.
Both his ex-wife and their children have expressed a desire to speak with one another, but for now they are taking things slowly.
People do sometimes "walk off," only to be found years later, said J. Todd Matthews, a spokesman for the National Missing & Unidentified Persons System, a Fort Worth, Texas-based organization with a database of about 85,000 missing people.
"It's not an everyday thing. But it's not unheard of," said Matthews, adding that Heist did not strike him as a good candidate for that. She told Schofield she never had access to a computer to check if she was being sought, but she assumed people were looking for her.
"I would not have expected to see her turn up alive," Matthews said.
Brenda Heist's true identity came to light after she turned herself in to Monroe County sheriff's deputies in Key Largo, Fla., on Friday and informed them she was a missing person.
She told them she was on probation and had recently been arrested under a name different from her real name, but the nature of those charges was not clear in a Monroe County sheriff's office report released late Wednesday.
Schofield said she was expected to be released from police custody in Florida and was likely to spend some time with a brother there before moving in with her mother in Texas.
When Schofield called recently to meet with Lee Heist and the couple's daughter, they assumed he would be notifying them that her remains were found, the detective said.
Schofield said police in Florida were trying to sort out a warrant-related issue before releasing Brenda Heist. Details about any charges, and whether she was being held on an active warrant, were not available from authorities in Florida or Pennsylvania.
The Monroe County sheriff's office said Heist was in "protective custody," although not with the office. The sheriff's office did not immediately respond to a request by The Associated Press to provide a way to contact her.
Police in Lititz said the missing persons case eventually involved dozens of detectives, and although the trail had grown cold, the case had never been forgotten, with Heist's picture tacked to a wall at police headquarters.
Lee Heist said he and the children also remembered, and observed anniversaries. Her valuables were returned to her mother years ago, he said. As for the life insurance policy that paid off on his ex-wife, he said he's unsure what will happen now.
I'm NOT interested in this one.
She was a vagrant for 11 fucking years? I think she has ulterior motives for coming home, that had to do with her arrest. She probably wants a lawyer or financial help. You dont hide out for that long, then suddenly decide to come home.
And being homeless? She had a house and food, and chose to leave that for no home and having to bed people for food? My first thought is she has to be mentally ill. To do that for 11 years and then just one day decide, ah fuck this? I would've done that after the first day![]()
https://www.wral.com/fayetteville-mo...safe/20098458/
Fayetteville mom, daughter reported missing in 2017 found safe
A mother and her daughter who were reported missing in 2017 in Fayetteville were found safe, according to an announcement from the Fayetteville Police Department.
Amber Renaye Weber and her daughter Miracle Smith were reported missing in January five years ago.
The mother and her child were victims of physical abuse, according to the U.S. Marshals Service.
The leads to the case initially went cold, officials said. The case was picked up last year by the department's investigative assistant Sonia Roldan.
"We just kinda kept at it," said Michael East, the United States Marshal for the Eastern District of North Carolina. "Finally someone gave us a piece of information we were able to corroborate and then based on that, we basically obtained some criminal charges on Joe Smith."
Investigators learned that the missing child and mother were in Bunnlevel with Joe Smith, 59.
On Jan. 19, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives charged Joe Smith with possession of a firearm by convicted felon, officials said.
Authorities found Miracle Smith on Lemon Lane in Bunnlevel on Tuesday and gave her and her sibling to the Harnett County Department of Social Services.
Joe Smith was taken into custody on Tuesday and U.S. Marshals searched his home. They seized four guns from Smith's home.
He will be arraigned in federal court and go before a federal magistrate within the next two days, according to East.
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