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Well, if that's the case it went right until he got caught. Either way, it seems if that was the case she clearly wasn't following procedures. She didn't deserve to die, it would seem her bad decision making contributed to her death. Unless there were other reasons other than 'ohhh look, something shiny'.
Yeah I think you guys are reading WAY more into this situation.
Ive heard how bad COs suck, but even Freud said sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
In positions of trust like that, too even though it was against protocol maybe she had a good reason to go in there. If the kid was pointing out a gas leak that blew his ass up, she would be getting ragged at for "just standing there while it happened".
A little healthy realistic doubt is good but I think they took advantage of understaffing and this was a young female guard they could overpower.
Unless someone was a seasoned officer, that had worked in the juvenile system for many years, these inmates would be viewed as just troubled kids. Even with protocols set, a guard at 24 would not have the mindset that they were guarding dangerous hardened criminals. So I could see where some would not be as diligent in following procedure. Who wants to think they are guarding killer kids.
"Theoretical physics can prove that an elephant can hang from a cliff with its tail tied to a daisy. But use your eyes, your common sense".... JIM GARRISON
That being said, this is why there is a protocol to things. If how inmates were treated was based on personal judgement, I bet you a million dollars there would be more mistakes like this one. Just because someone is in trouble for one thing doesn't mean they are incapable of doing something else. Or less likely to offend again. On the contrary, a lot of inmates pick up second charges based on what they have done in jail.
Like I said, she didn't deserve to die, but she made a huge mistake. And if she was doing what her job asks her to do, this most likely would not have happened.
I see what you are saying - and I mostly agree.
I would question, more than her personal judgement - if protocol was actively in place or not.
Some facilities I have seen are chronically understaffed, and the staff is often left with no choices. If for example a kid is not supposed to be unescorted or left alone, yet you are one staff member with a group - what do you do?
Im not saying that DID happen here, but it could be a factor. Are they supposed to be in pairs? Is someone supposed to be monitoring the cameras?
I totally agree here, big err in judgment. But, I ain't gonna lie, even at my age and knowing what I know, I can't say that with these kids my guard wouldn't be slightly compromised. If anything, working in a smaller prison facility or juvie facility, you see these inmates on a daily basis and in some cases get to know them. During working hours you can spend from 8 to 12 hours with this group of people. Unless you are a cold heartless person sometimes humanity will overtake over protocol. But there are guards that get off on debasing and treating the inmates as subhuman.
Years ago when I worked for the PD in Louisiana, my job every morning was to drive by myself to the Parish jail and pick up our trustee. There was protocol that had to followed which I always did. My drive was 30 minutes with this person in the act. So we would talk, which didn't go against anything I was supposed to do. And some of the conversations would lead me to think that I could very easily be on their side of the grate.
We can all get on our sanctimonious soap boxes and claim that we would never break the law, etc. Depending on the circumstance no one could honestly say that. If you had to feed your kids and the only way you could make money was to sell a bag of weed? If someone was coming at you with a knife with full intent of fucking you up, would you shoot or not? These people had to pay for the crimes they committed because they broke the law. I never broke procedure, but I can see where officers could. There were a few that I honestly felt sorry for.
Keeping all that I have experienced in mind, an adult facility is another planet from a juvenile facility. These kids are there for breaking the law but are still young enough for some degree of not being 100% accountable for the bad choices they made. Some have been abused, neglected, ignored, and are acting out because they don't know any better or just want attention whether it's good or bad.
We don't know what the full circumstances were that led Amanda Baker to let her guard down. I would suspect that she spent some degree of time with this kid and did not see him as a threat.
"Theoretical physics can prove that an elephant can hang from a cliff with its tail tied to a daisy. But use your eyes, your common sense".... JIM GARRISON
I literally LOL'ed. You are so horrible and lovable, Ron. Gah.
I agree with Queenie, though. I bet she had spent a lot of time with this kid and had some amount of trust in him. She may have even felt like he was a friend of sorts, considering how she is described to have dealt with the inmates.
By they way, that article/obituary annoys me. I hope when I die, my family doesn't write some crazy, long shit making me sound like an actual angel sent from Heaven who would have saved the whole world if I had lived longer. Because you know people who know her are like, ".... She really wasn't that great."
But I digress.
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