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    More video footage
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...red-blood.html










    New surveillance video shows Chism buying a movie ticket just after prosecutors say he raped and murdered his Danvers High School math teacher. And the theater?s manager says he used Ritzer?s credit card to buy it, then left shortly after.

    Surveillance also shows him near the middle aisle at BJs, crouching at one point and walking out. The prosecutor showing a knife she says he stole there, before setting off on a walk along the woods where police picked him up.
    http://boston.cbslocal.com/2015/11/2...eacher-murder/
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    Amazing that he walked around covered in blood and no one noticed.

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    or smelled it. that stuff stinks.
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    Roses are red, violets are blue, seriously where is the fucking ring I gave Julie and ask her mom about the flowers
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    In all fairness, we have no idea how big this dude's cock was.

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    he is truly a creeper. Good thing he got caught at a young age.

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    Jesus. That was a disturbing video. Holy shit.


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    Yeah dude, Bowie said it right. Horror movie shit.
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    The jury is deciding. The spent 3 hours today and will resume tomorrow.

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    hopefully we hear something soon


    SALEM - The jury in the trial of a Massachusetts teen who killed his math teacher have resumed deliberations on murder and aggravated rape charges.
    Jurors deliberated a little over three hours Monday in the trial of Philip Chism, charged in the 2013 killing of Colleen Ritzer, his algebra teacher at Danvers High School. The jury resumed deliberations Tuesday morning.
    Chism's lawyers admit he killed Ritzer, but say he was severely mentally ill and cannot be held criminally responsible for his actions.
    Prosecutors say Chism knew right from wrong and plotted to kill the 24-year-old Ritzer, bringing a box cutter, gloves and other items to school.
    Chism was 14 at the time. He is now 16 and is being tried as an adult.

    http://www.telegram.com/article/20151215/NEWS/151219565
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    In all fairness, we have no idea how big this dude's cock was.

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    Massachusetts teenager Philip Chism was found guilty of killing his high school math teacher in 2013. Chism was also found guilty of one count of aggravated rape and one count of armed robbery. Defense attorneys had presented an insanity defense. - Boston.com
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    Roses are red, violets are blue, seriously where is the fucking ring I gave Julie and ask her mom about the flowers
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    In all fairness, we have no idea how big this dude's cock was.

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    no surprise here IMO

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    Awesome news!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bowieluva View Post
    Man, I do not give a flying fuck what is 'wrong' with this kid. He's extremely dangerous. Throw it away.
    Agreed.

    What the fuck is this " trigger word" shit, anyway? I'll bet this little stain went around telling his own family members what they could and couldn't say,too. And from the looks of what he's capable of, I'll bet they obeyed.

    Whenever anyone argues nature versus nurture and tries to say that no-one is not worth rehabilitating, or that it's ALWAYS the parents' fault that a killer was spawned, I just want to staple articles like this to their bedroom ceilings so it's the first and last thing they see between morning and night.

    No, some people ARE born evil, and youth shouldn't protect them from the consequences of their choices.

    I wish these sad sacks of shit could be shot cleanly through the head and their organs harvested.
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    Quote Originally Posted by puzzld View Post
    Massachusetts teenager Philip Chism was found guilty of killing his high school math teacher in 2013. Chism was also found guilty of one count of aggravated rape and one count of armed robbery. Defense attorneys had presented an insanity defense. - Boston.com
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    Good. I hope he suffers.

    RIP Colleen. Rest in peace.
    [quote author=thanatos link=topic=5272.msg211093#msg211093 date=1172939327]<br />Thank you! Good Karma for you! I&#39;m sick of everyone using &quot;bi-polar&quot; as an excuse for violent behavior. Pet peeve here. :2angry:<br />[/quote][quote author=Olivia link=topic=5272.msg

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    Sorry to keep bumping, but I found an article about his conviction. Maybe there's more details in it we haven't read yet?

    And I don't know why the defense wanted him not charged for the rape in the woods on account of Colleen being "already dead".

    At the very least, they could have charged him with abuse of a corpse,right?

    RIP Colleen.


    http://www.sltrib.com/home/3313053-1...rape-murder-of
    [quote author=thanatos link=topic=5272.msg211093#msg211093 date=1172939327]<br />Thank you! Good Karma for you! I&#39;m sick of everyone using &quot;bi-polar&quot; as an excuse for violent behavior. Pet peeve here. :2angry:<br />[/quote][quote author=Olivia link=topic=5272.msg

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    Some of the crazy shit these defense attorneys come up with. This poor woman was viciously assaulted and murdered. The defense tried to say the rape doesn't really count because she was dead when it happened. So, it only counts if she was alive to suffer from it. I get the technical bullshit they were attempting to pull, but dayum. So had she been alive, would they try to say he didn't actually rape her because he just stuck a tree branch in her vaj? It only counts if a penis is used... How do these attorneys sleep at night?


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    Quote Originally Posted by pinkhair4me View Post
    Whenever anyone argues nature versus nurture and tries to say that no-one is not worth rehabilitating, or that it's ALWAYS the parents' fault that a killer was spawned, I just want to staple articles like this to their bedroom ceilings so it's the first and last thing they see between morning and night.

    No, some people ARE born evil, and youth shouldn't protect them from the consequences of their choices.

    I wish these sad sacks of shit could be shot cleanly through the head and their organs harvested.
    Apparently, I'm the exact person you want to staple articles up for. The problem is that it's not because I'm not aware of the cases, I read this shit all the time, and it doesn't change my opinion. In fact, it's probably because I read it all the time that I feel this way. I see how quickly children are tossed away and labelled an adult, mostly because I think it's easier to slap on the label of "evil" and just be done with it. Then we don't have to take any responsibility as a society for what went wrong. Five years ago, I would have been on your side of the issue, but my views have changed a lot over the years with the more cases I studied. I realize that my views are probably not shared by most people here. It's cases like this that test my beliefs, but in the end I still come to the same conclusions.

    Note: I do mean the collective "you" as a group of citizens/lawmakers, not specifically you.

    I don't think a child is an adult. Period. I think it's bullshit that some teenagers get treated like a child, and some get treated like an adult, and the system is completely inconsistent in these cases. If they put want to put an age on when a child becomes an adult, fucking stick to it, and stop this "while in THIS case, I think this kid is an adult, but not in THIS case", just...no. If you don't think a child is capable of making their own decisions before they hit eighteen, then don't suddenly decide they are an adult when you don't like something they do. Yeah, I get it's murder and it's serious, but you want to say someone is not mature enough to make a decision to get married, to gamble, to buy porn, or to join the military, etc. etc., but suddenly as soon as a crime is committed it's "OMG THEY ARE TOTALLY MATURE ENOUGH TO BE TREATED AS AN ADULT!". Never is this ever the case unless they commit a crime though. No 12 year old gets to argue they are mature enough to buy porn. Only does the justice system get to make these arbitrary assertions. There is a reason though why we have made those rules about those things, which is because as a child, your brain is not fulling developed, and therefore you lack the mental capability to make such decisions and understand consequences, and the long-term effects of your actions, yaddayadda. So, we don't want you to ruin your life by say, getting married at 12, because you can't understand or be responsible those things; but goddammnit if you kill someone your brain is clearly now fully-developed. There should be a system in place that differentiates between a 10 year old and a 17 year old, because I don't think you should treat them the same, but there should not be a decision made that suddenly this child is an adult, but that one over there who is the same age isn't. That's part of the problem - because they get to decide that a 10 year old is as culpable as a 17 year old by labeling them both as adults, because of the severity of their crime. Clearly, they are not in fact the same. I think they should set up the juvenile system properly to address these things, and stop keeping the "charge as an adult" in their back pocket to use when they feel like it on certain kids... and when they do, it's usually kids who are poor, disadvantaged, and/or not white.

    I don't think anyone is EVER born evil. I think that's a cop-out, actually. It's an easy way to just write someone off and say you don't have to worry about them, or be concerned about how they turned out that way. I think people can be born with mental illness or other issues in their brain which might predispose them to developing the capability of committing acts of evil, but no one is just pure evil from birth. That's complete bullshit in my opinion. The concept itself of "evil" is pretty much bullshit and is really a construct of religion, and where the good vs. evil shit comes from. Labeling someone as evil is a way to separate the people who do those kind of things from us because it scares us - they are different, they are "evil" and it's just naturally in them and it's not in us. We don't want to acknowledge that they are still human just like us, regardless of the horrendous shit they've done. We don't want to see any part of ourselves in them. We can just wash our hands of them, because we call them evil and say they are not like us and they are not human. But they are.

    The idea is popular that you can say someone must just be born evil because there are people who have done awful things who reportedly grew up in a decent home environment with supportive parents, or because there were other people who went through a lot of the same things but did not turn out that way... but that's not how reality works. I've seen comments like that throughout countless threads here - that something could not affect one person one way, because it didn't affect other people that way. The whole "it couldn't be the abuse that caused this person to snap, because this and this and this and this and this person were all abused too and didn't snap!". Again, that's not how it really works. Each person has their brain wired differently, and have their own individual experiences, and those are important factors in how someone might react to something or behave in any situation. You can't compare random people just because they have a shared experience and make a blanket statement about how it shouldn't have affected x person this way, because y person went through it and reacted differently. And I am going to state, before I get jumped on, that I'm not saying that anything that happens to anyone excuses their actions, but simply that you can't just write people off as being born evil and dismiss it because it's easier than accepting that people can be born as pure and innocent as the next person, and turn into a sadistic knife-wielding maniac who enjoys torturing people. It's too scary for most people to accept that it's possible to be good at point, and then do something bad later on. People think you either have to be all one or the other, right from the start. You can't be both good and evil, you can only be one dimensional. I find it amusing that we are unwilling to accept this dichotemy in actual society, but we gobble it up if it's fed to us as entertainment. We're constantly redeeming villains in movies and on TV, and watching the good guys turn bad; we just don't think it's possible in real life.

    This kid is scary as fuck. I think he probably needs be locked up for the rest of his life in order to keep society safe. I still don't think it makes him an adult, or means he was born evil. I also don't think that we should just be able to decide that anyone who is still a child is beyond rehabilitation and never even try to help them. Sad to me that we can say "okay, you did this as a teenager, but I don't think in the 60+ years you might have left on this earth that we should even bother to give you a chance to be a better person. Sorry, you're done!." Trust me, it's really hard for me to type that sentence considering the story I'm commenting on - and it's not because I think this kid in particular is capable of rehabilitation; but because I think other children are, and it's illogical for us (who only know what we've read about him) to be responsible for deciding who is or isn't. I think we need to give every child the chance to change, considering their brains were not fully developed when they committed their crimes. Of course, not all are going to respond, or are capable of being rehabilitated, but to just deny them the chance because you know what they did and it was horrendous, disgusting, and cruel, and even though you've never even met them, you can tell that they are beyond help... you could very well be right, but I feel like it's a slippery slope once you start going down that road, and there's a chance some potentially good kids might slip away with the others.

    That being said, it's basically the same reasoning behind why I am against the death penalty - I believe in the saying that it's better to let 10 guilty people go free than to put 1 innocent person in prison (or, in the case of the death penalty, kill them). I feel like it's better if we give 10 children the chance for rehabilitation who are beyond redemption, if it means that 1 of those children who might be capable of rehabilitation is given that opportunity. I think this kid is probably beyond help of any kind and won't benefit from it, but there is no way to actually know that I'm right, so I don't think I should be able to pick and choose who is too fucked up to be helped. Helping them all is the only way to be sure you are helping those are in need of it, and can actually be rehabilitated.

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    Mass. teen who killed math teacher sentenced

    Phillip Chism, a Massachusetts teenager who raped and killed his math teacher in 2013, was sentenced Friday to life in prison with eligibility for parole in 25 years.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/philip-c...zer-sentenced/
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    Can't prisoners get out in half the time they are sentenced? It's pretty disturbing thinking about this kid getting out of jail.

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    This article says eligible after 40 years
    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crim...icle-1.2545009
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    Quote Originally Posted by beli View Post
    Mass. teen who killed math teacher sentenced

    Phillip Chism, a Massachusetts teenager who raped and killed his math teacher in 2013, was sentenced Friday to life in prison with eligibility for parole in 25 years.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/philip-c...zer-sentenced/
    Sadly, it's never life when they say it, anymore.

    A teacher's life is worth twenty-five years. Bet you a million that if this monster had embezzled thousands of dollars from a huge corporation, or trafficked one hundred pounds of weed across state lines, he'd be in longer.

    RIP Colleen.
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    Life without parole has been abolished for teens.

    I don't believe this means that they have to be granted parole at the date they become eligible for it though.

    Philip Chism has clearly shown himself to be a dangerous, violent predator at a very young age. I wonder how the parole board will evaluate him when he gets to that point.

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    I might be wrong, but I don't think this one can be fixed or rehabilitated. Luckily he got caught early in his career of killing women. 40 years in a prison for this guy is comparable to growing a deadly virus in a Petri dish. By the time he comes up for parole, he will have 40 years of "Killing Without Getting Caught University". He will know how to control himself, what to tell the parole board, anything and everything to be a successful killer. It's pretty damn frightening if you think about it.


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    I am with you. He cannot be rehabilitated. He is EVIL.
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    The family of Colleen Ritzer filed a wrongful death suit against Danvers High School, the township, and others for failing to take adequate measures that they say may have prevented her death

    http://dailym.ai/2eXiVfC

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