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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellaboo View Post
    Another similarity between Keyes and Arias was that both were overly concerned about their reputations and expressed those concerns to law enforcement during their interviews.
    Keyes did not want to be known as a serial killer per the agents who were on hln earlier. Arias obsessed about her reputation in her multiple police interview tapes. Part of the psyche of narcissistic psychopaths?
    Part of the cluster b personality disorders are that symptoms overlap. So narcissism is part of the symptom complex for borderlines and anti-socials.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angiebla View Post
    Yes he was an evil SOB, I would be freaked out that someone murdered people that close to me. I would also feel guilty for not knowing and trying to stop him.
    I didnt know him! I just saw the police digging in his yard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metis212 View Post
    I didnt know him! I just saw the police digging in his yard.
    I think it would be more likely to send me to somewhere just like this! And racking my brain to see if there was something I did see and did not recognize for what it was, if I had run into any of the young guys who ended up below that house. It would be eerie but in a way that made me curious more than afraid I think

    I feel badly for the families who are never going to get closure because Israel Keyes took his victims names to the grave with him. Watching the timeline of how he crossed the country back and forth, listening to how he picked someone at random in one state, then dumped them in another, his "murder caches" buried in random locations, where do LE start?
    It will be random if anything is found and no way to really tie it back to him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metis212 View Post
    Havent ever seen an ugly serial killer. Would you help an ugly gnome-like person?
    - Australia's most famous serial killer.

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    This is probably a little of topic, but when I first heard of him abducting the girl from Alaska, I felt so bad for her family. Now reports have come out that this guy lived for approximately 6 or 7 years, only 45 minutes from me in Washington State. I am originally from Texas, so when my family would visit I would take them out to Neah Bay for the Cape Flattery hike (beautiful by the way). I think it's just creepy that I could have possibly run into him at some point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dianalyn View Post
    I think it would be more likely to send me to somewhere just like this!
    Same here. I work down the street from where the Baseline killer lived. I drove by the spot where one of his victims was found when they were working the scene. It was creepy, but it was creepier before he was caught because there were several crime scenes within about a mile radius, so I already suspected that the killer lived somewhere around there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metis212 View Post
    I lived across the street from John Wayne Gacy. I used to go to the bar that he often went too. He liked men so I was safe. My college boyfriend found one of his victims floating in the desplaines river. I remember when they dug up his entire yard.
    my mom and uncle used to leave near JWG and walked by his house on the way to school. that was back when he lived in waterloo, ia.

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    I'm watching Killer Profile about Keyes on the crime channel now. I had no idea he had a wife and child.

    http://www.mylifetime.com/movies/kil...o/israel-keyes

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    Fred and Rosemary West were rather homely too.


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    Quote Originally Posted by queenaevadamthng View Post
    Fred and Rosemary West were rather homely too.
    OMG, smugly.
    Have you seen Appropriate Adult? Years ago I read a true crime book about them, cannot remember the name.

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    I was reading some stuff about the Long Island Serial killer and I noticed that their facebook page linked to this FBI notice. Seems like a few people think Israel may be possible.
    https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/201...al-killer-case

    After Israel Keyes was arrested for the murder of 18-year-old Samantha Koenig in Alaska in 2012, authorities realized that the man they had in custody was a prolific serial killer. Keyes freely admitted as much.

    During conversations with investigators, the 34-year-old sometime construction worker revealed the names of two additional victims?along with tantalizing clues about other murders he had committed around the country over a period of years. But last December, Keyes killed himself in his Anchorage jail cell, leaving a trail of unanswered questions and unidentified victims.

    Those victims have not been forgotten, however. Today we are releasing new information in the hopes that the public can help us identify others who died by Keyes? hands. The information includes extensive videotaped conversations with Keyes in jail and an interactive map that contains a detailed timeline of his known movements beginning in 1997.


    ?He gave us a number of clues,? said Special Agent Jolene Goeden in our Anchorage Division. ?He talked openly about some of the homicides, but much of what he said only hinted at the things he had done. So we are trying to get information out there about what he did tell us. We are letting the public know the types of cars he rented, towns he visited, campgrounds he frequented. Anything that might spur someone?s memory could help us,? Goeden said.

    Apart from Koenig, who was abducted from the Anchorage coffee stand where she worked, and Bill and Lorraine Currier, a middle-aged married couple who were murdered in 2011 in Vermont, Keyes discussed ?seven or eight other victims,? Goeden said. ?We want to identify them.?

    Investigators believe that Keyes killed and buried a victim in upstate New York in April 2009. ?He also told us about a couple in Washington state, another victim in that area, and possibly others in surrounding states,? Goeden said.

    FBI agents are working with law enforcement around the country to link Keyes to open cases. ?If we have a missing person identified in a particular area, we work closely with that local police department to either connect the person to Keyes or not,? Goeden explained. ?We have his DNA.?

    It?s a painstaking process, made more complicated because Keyes was meticulous about covering his tracks. In the Currier case, for example, he flew from Alaska to Chicago, rented a car, and drove 1,000 miles to Vermont, where he searched for victims. He chose the Curriers at random.

    Keyes also left ?murder kits? in various locations around the country that contained, among other items, weapons and cash?the money came from bank robberies he committed to support his criminal activities. The caches provided further cover because Keyes didn?t have to risk boarding an airplane with a weapon or using credit cards that could later connect him to a crime in a particular area.

    ?Although he chose many of his victims randomly, a tremendous amount of planning went into these crimes,? Goeden said. ?Keyes enjoyed what he did, and he had no remorse at all. He told us if he hadn?t been caught, he would have continued kidnapping and murdering people.?

    We need your help. If the videos or map regarding Israel Keyes? movements spark any memories, or if you have any information regarding Keyes, please contact your local FBI office or submit a tip online.

    ?That fact that Keyes is dead makes it more difficult for us,? Goeden said, ?but the investigation absolutely continues.?

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    This is an older article, but coming back to the article that Berm posted above, they think they know who the person killed in New York in April 2009 is.

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/serial-kill...ry?id=20878542
    Keyes admitted to investigators that he abducted a female victim on April 9, 2009 from a state on the East Coast and transported her across multiple state lines into New York, the FBI said in a statement today. Keyes said he murdered the woman and buried her in the Tupper Lake area of upstate New York.

    Today, the FBI said they believe that woman may be Debra Feldman, a 48-year-old woman who was last seen on April 8, 2009.

    "To date, Ms. Feldman's body has not been recovered," the FBI said. "Investigators are requesting that anyone who knew Ms. Feldman and may have information about her activities around the time of her disappearance contact the Hackensack Police Department or call 1-800-Call-FBI and follow the prompts for the Israel Keyes."

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    Was looking for more info on potential victims, and found this article about his suicide. It's interesting.

    https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/arti...de/2014/07/15/

    The untold story behind Israel Keyes' jailhouse suicide

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    https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/crim...-israel-keyes/

    Unsealed interviews detail two lives of Alaska serial killer Israel Keyes


    The crime — an abduction by a stranger that investigators said ended with Koenig being sexually assaulted and strangled in a shed in a West Anchorage neighborhood — gripped the city and made national headlines. Detectives caught Keyes, 34, with Koenig's debit card in Texas and arrested him in April. As they began to question him, Keyes told investigators that the Koenig murder was one of many.

    They made a deal: Keyes would speak freely about his past crimes in exchange for details being kept out of the public and other demands. He teased that he'd killed "less than a dozen" people around the country over more than a decade, in addition to robbing banks, burglarizing houses and arson.

    In 2013, after Keyes' jailhouse suicide, a federal judge unsealed some of the interviews at the request of the then-Alaska Dispatch. Those conversations mostly dealt with wrangling over legal procedures with investigators and federal prosecutors over his cases.

    But some of the sessions, as well as a psychological evaluation of Keyes, were kept sealed.

    When author and New York Post columnist Maureen Callahan began researching a book on Keyes, she went in search of the sealed interviews.

    "I was just told, 'No, you can't have them and we're not going to tell you why,' " Callahan said. "The government was so intent on keeping them sealed years after the case had been closed."

    She tried for years to get the files released, eventually hiring Anchorage attorney Jeffrey Robinson to argue they be unsealed in federal court in Alaska.

    In April, a judge ordered the government to release all the interviews, as well as the psychological evaluation.

    Callahan's book about Keyes, "A Dark Night in Alaska: The Hunt for the Perfect Serial Killer," will be published in 2019.



    In April, Keyes submitted to a 6.5-hour evaluation by Dr. Ronald Roesch, a Washington psychologist. It was meant to determine whether Keyes was sane enough to make legal decisions for himself.

    The evaluation found that Keyes was sane and at the "high average" end of the intelligence spectrum. He was found to have antisocial tendencies.

    He talked about the public Israel Keyes, who lived with a nurse practitioner girlfriend and his school-aged daughter on a street in the Turnagain neighborhood where the neighbors included a Superior Court judge.

    Law enforcement personnel search the home where Israel Keyes lived on Oct. 23, 2012 in West Anchorage. Keyes was jailed in April for allegedly abducting and killing 18-year-old Samantha Koenig.

    When FBI agents searched the house, they found the couple's well-behaved pugs and the little ramp Keyes had built for them to get into the backyard. He talked about hobbies: fishing, boats, hiking, camping, kayaking at Eklutna Lake. Regular things Alaskans do. But Keyes' motivation wasn't regular.

    "You go fishing, or out hunting. Stalking through the woods. You see somebody through the woods," he said. "They don't see you. Sit there and watch them for a while."

    He wasn't picky about his victims, he said. He liked them to be "lightweight" because they were easier to dispose. After he became a father he "tried to avoid situations" that might end with him hurting a child.

    Keyes said his "retirement plan" was to build a dungeon in his home. He told investigators about a cache of potential body disposal tools he had secreted along a bank of Eagle River. They found it, based on Keyes' directions.

    "I only left that stuff there because I was planning on using it eventually," he said. "I don't like to litter.



    As the interviews went on, Keyes was spending 23 hours a day in a cell. The guards were "watching him like a hawk," he complained. He wanted the death penalty and told investigators he had no "long-term interest in survival" in prison.

    "How long am I willing to sit in jail?" he asked.

    By October, the agents told Keyes they were losing patience.

    Their bosses believed they were being played by him, they told him. They were under pressure to produce names and locations of the people Keyes claimed to have killed.

    "The ground is freezing, Israel," said Steve Payne, an FBI agent. "If you want to be involved in helping us … it was 18 degrees outside yesterday. We don't have a lot of time to play with. And it's a long, cold winter."

    They repeated the proposition: You give us information, we go out and look for bodies.

    "My whole issue is to keep control of it," Keyes told them.

    His biggest concern was that the details of his crimes would become public in the media. He wanted to shield his daughter from that, he said.

    The last recording unsealed this year by the court ends on Oct. 30, 2012. Keyes talked again to interviewers on Nov. 29.

    A few days later, he was dead.

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    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-...lood-48-hours/

    "48 Hours" and correspondent Peter Van Sant get the first look at never-before-seen evidence in the FBI's search to identify victims in "Tracking the Murders of Israel Keyes," an all-new "48 Hours' airing Saturday, May 9 at 10/9c on CBS.

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    Anyone get a chance to watch this? I forgot last night, but watched it today. It was interesting. This guy is one of the scariest serial killers, IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raisedbywolves View Post
    Anyone get a chance to watch this? I forgot last night, but watched it today. It was interesting. This guy is one of the scariest serial killers, IMO.
    I forgot. Hope I can catch it On Demand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KimTisha View Post
    I forgot. Hope I can catch it On Demand.
    That's how I watched it. If you are at all interested in this case I recommend it. The interviews will totally creep you out, and I definitely heard new stuff that I have never heard anywhere else.

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    I finally watched this episode last night. I don't know how I missed knowing about this one. Although I knew of Keyes (via the Samantha Koenig case) and remember hearing/reading that he was a suspected serial killer, I didn't really follow the reports at the time. He is positively terrifying, a 21st century Ted Bundy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KimTisha View Post
    I finally watched this episode last night. I don't know how I missed knowing about this one. Although I knew of Keyes (via the Samantha Koenig case) and remember hearing/reading that he was a suspected serial killer, I didn't really follow the reports at the time. He is positively terrifying, a 21st century Ted Bundy.
    I think the thing that made me start looking at this case initially is that he looks just like my ex business partner. My ex business partner is also a psychopath, hence the reason he is an EX business partner, and I wondered if they might be related.

    Seriously though, this guy fascinates me. His dedication to the methodology was CRAZY! Who devotes that much time to planning ahead and going through all the different maneuvers to cover where he went. I almost wonder if he wanted to get caught, because he did so much to not get caught...and then he used Samantha's ATM card.

    WS has an old thread on him where they talk about a robbery down in Florida (Palm Beach maybe...I can't remember) and the suspect image looks just like him. I really wonder if he has a lot more victims than they are thinking.

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    It was Boca Raton.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna24920708

    This article is long, so I am just going to link it and let you guys go read it.


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    Good article.

    Quote Originally Posted by raisedbywolves View Post
    Seriously though, this guy fascinates me. His dedication to the methodology was CRAZY! Who devotes that much time to planning ahead and going through all the different maneuvers to cover where he went. I almost wonder if he wanted to get caught, because he did so much to not get caught...and then he used Samantha's ATM card.
    Watching that Dateline Episode, I commented aloud that this guy would make an amazing soldier. Sure 'nuff....

    Quote Originally Posted by raisedbywolves View Post
    WS has an old thread on him where they talk about a robbery down in Florida (Palm Beach maybe...I can't remember) and the suspect image looks just like him. I really wonder if he has a lot more victims than they are thinking.
    I remember the mall murder/abduction and when it came out that they didn't believe Jane Doe. Not only does the perp LOOK like him, he ACTS like him (tactics/techniques/procedures)! Wow, kudos on that connection. I would think it would be easy enough for the FBI to figure out if Keyes ever spent time in Florida; and Lord knows this state is littered with the unsolved murders of hundreds of women. Keyes was in the military (or fresh out of it) in 2007/2008, wasn't he? Couldn't Jane Doe identify Keyes from photos? I think he'd be easy to ID.

    In the Dateline episode he said since the birth of his own child he wouldn't mess with children, and for some reason I believe him. Joey Bocchiccio was only 7yo when she was murdered in 2008(?). When was Keyes first child born?

    I don't think the Gorenberg (?) case is related to the Doe Abduction or the Bocchiccio murders.

    Now I want to see the interview tapes. It's sad that he killed himself only from the perspective that his brain can be examined after he's dead; but it's his mind that really needs to be studied. He's a fascinating creature, that's for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KimTisha View Post
    Good article.



    Watching that Dateline Episode, I commented aloud that this guy would make an amazing soldier. Sure 'nuff....



    I remember the mall murder/abduction and when it came out that they didn't believe Jane Doe. Not only does the perp LOOK like him, he ACTS like him (tactics/techniques/procedures)! Wow, kudos on that connection. I would think it would be easy enough for the FBI to figure out if Keyes ever spent time in Florida; and Lord knows this state is littered with the unsolved murders of hundreds of women. Keyes was in the military (or fresh out of it) in 2007/2008, wasn't he? Couldn't Jane Doe identify Keyes from photos? I think he'd be easy to ID.

    In the Dateline episode he said since the birth of his own child he wouldn't mess with children, and for some reason I believe him. Joey Bocchiccio was only 7yo when she was murdered in 2008(?). When was Keyes first child born?

    I don't think the Gorenberg (?) case is related to the Doe Abduction or the Bocchiccio murders.

    Now I want to see the interview tapes. It's sad that he killed himself only from the perspective that his brain can be examined after he's dead; but it's his mind that really needs to be studied. He's a fascinating creature, that's for sure.
    Credit to someone over at WS for noticing the resemblance...I've just remembered it all these years and keep coming back to look at it.

    Somewhere the FBI used to have lists of where Keyes was at different times, but I think it's been taken down now.

    His child is a daughter, but I couldn't find her age.

    https://www.peninsuladailynews.com/n...m-in-neah-bay/

    Keyes’ former partner and daughter still live on the Makah reservation, tribal members said.

    “He did work for the tribe, doing landscaping all over the village,” Dulik said.

    “At the entryway, he cut the grass, put a sign up, and went through the village putting out plants and flowers and things.”

    Keyes also was known as a good father, Dulik added.

    Keyes often shopped at Washburn General Store in Neah Bay, owner Greg Lovik said.

    “All my help liked the guy,” Lovik said.

    “He seemed to be a level-headed, good worker. He could fix about anything, is what I am told.

    “There was nothing that stood out that he was a troublemaker or anything.”

    “When it hit the papers, [about Keyes confessing in Anchorage to being serial killer], everybody was going like, ‘Wow, I can’t believe it,’” Lovik said.

    “Most people I talked to couldn’t believe it because he was such a good worker and a personable guy.”

    Janine Ledford, executive director of the Makah Cultural and Research Center, said many tribal members knew Keyes but now are reluctant to talk about him.

    “Most of us aren’t interested in feeding the public curiosity about how we feel about a murderer being in our midst,” Ledford said.
    from 2018 it says she is school age (won't let me copy)
    https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/crim...-israel-keyes/

    And yes, I think you are correct, the Gorenberg case is separate from the other cases. I don't think the same person did them all.

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    Reading back, I don't see why the big stink over him killing himself. One less turd in the gene pool. He was yanking investigators chain. All they were doing was feeding his narcissistic need for attention by conducting these interviews. He probably gave them a lot of half truths. Not telling what all he was responsible for. True justice for killers like this would be to brick them up in a room with nothing but themselves. Maybe a hidden camera to study them until they die. But then again, dicks like this would know they were being watched so no data compiled would be accurate. Just hole 'em up and mark them off the list.


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    Aha! From the link you posted, RBW:

    Israel Keyes was described as a model citizen while he lived in Neah Bay between 2001-2007, fathering a girl, working for the Makah tribe and being a productive part of this tribal community.
    So he became a father before, or right around, the time the murders took place in Boca.
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