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    Beyond Condoms: Male Birth Control Methods.

    We've been hearing in the news for years that male birth control is coming soon but nothing ever seems to manifest. I've read articles about hormonal contraception for men, but what guy wants to deal with those side effects when women have been agreeable to do it all this time? Hormonal birth control for men would likely have similar side effects: weight gain, acne, loss of libido. some even link hormonal birth control to cancer. I've read about injections into block flow through the vas deferens, essentially a less invasive alternative to a vasectomy.

    Here's a new one:

    Possible New Birth Control Method for Men

    A group of scientists in Mexico is busy at work on a new birth control method for men that doesn't involve using hormones or sterilization.

    It's not yet clear whether this new method would be a pill, cough syrup, injection, or something altogether different. But its developers have promised two things: The new contraceptive will have no major side effects and will only temporarily suspend a man's fertility.

    If it works, the new method would offer an alternative to hormone-based male contraceptives with familiar side effects like wild mood swings, acne, and loss of sexual appetite. It might also mean that men could take a greater role in birth control responsibilities, which often fall primarily on women.

    Here's how it would work:

    The researchers -- biochemists and molecular biologists based at Mexico City's UNAM University -- say they have discovered two proteins that are unique to sperm cells, called CatSper and Slo3. These proteins essentially give sperm the energy they need to navigate a woman's ovaries and fertilize her eggs.

    The scientists are now trying to develop a molecule that can disable CatSper and Slo3, thus depriving sperm cells of the mojo they need to do their jobs.

    New contraceptive methods for males could be quite important in cattle ranching and fisheries, according to Dr. Alberto Darzon, the UNAM team's leader. But he added that human males could also use more options for birth control.

    "Until now, there has been no male contraceptive method that has temporary effects and is efficient and safe," Darzon told the UNAM?s press office. "It's amazing that until now, society has placed on women the responsibility of dealing with the secondary effects of birth control methods. That is a clear sign of gender discrimination."

    Of course, men could just keep using condoms, instead of taking birth control pills, injections or the like. But for those who want to be extra safe, or for those who have a long-term partner and dislike using condoms, alternative contraceptive methods like this one could be an attractive option.

    What do you think? Should dudes share a greater portion of the birth control responsibilities with their female partners?

    http://abcnews.go.com/ABC_Univision/...ry?id=19322179


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    i know a tiny bit about how the whole reproductive process works. imo, it would make more sense if they could come up with some kind of inhibitor to the sperm's enzyme (the acrosome on the head of sperm) which allows it to penetrate the egg. messing with this 'mojo' confuses me a bit, but the article is dumbed down so i'm not sure if they're actually saying this will some how affect the mitochondria of the sperm, mitochondria are where cells energy production happens. or if it would somehow alter the tail so the sperm couldn't propel themselves. i wish the article was more specific, for the nerds out there who want to know more.

    so i'm interested in what the men folk think. would you take birth control? is it your responsibility, or is that strictly in the woman's court since we're the ones with wombs?

    i'm also interested in what the ladies think, however. would you trust a guy to take a pill every day or would you still take birth control yourself? what about alternative, or non hormonal, measures? personally, a product would have to be on the market for a long time before i trusted that it worked, especially if it was something like the article above where they're just trying to steal a sperm's "mojo."
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    I think it seems like that a lot of women's birth control is a wild card that can lead to some pretty nasty side effects. One of the largest complaints that women have with the pill too is weight gain. Since men's bodies are different I think they could avoid the weight gain or possibly take on extra weight better since we're generally taller. I'm 6'1" and weigh 195-200lbs. I could probably gain 5-10 or lose 5-10 and not look much different.

    Hell, why not both parties get on birth control. You'd have to have one destined sperm to reach through that barrier to actually create a child.

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    I hate birth control pills with a fiery passion and look forward to men experiencing how goddamn awful they are and what a toll it takes on your body.

    My boyfriend has been snipped, which will suck down the line but is ideal now.

    ETA: birth control doesn't just make women fat. It can create constant nausea, rapid mood swings, depression, bad skin issues, lack of sex drive, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by emmieslost View Post
    We've been hearing in the news for years that male birth control is coming soon but nothing ever seems to manifest. I've read articles about hormonal contraception for men, but what guy wants to deal with those side effects when women have been agreeable to do it all this time? Hormonal birth control for men would likely have similar side effects: weight gain, acne, loss of libido. some even link hormonal birth control to cancer. I've read about injections into block flow through the vas deferens, essentially a less invasive alternative to a vasectomy.

    Here's a new one:

    Possible New Birth Control Method for Men

    A group of scientists in Mexico is busy at work on a new birth control method for men that doesn't involve using hormones or sterilization.

    It's not yet clear whether this new method would be a pill, cough syrup, injection, or something altogether different. But its developers have promised two things: The new contraceptive will have no major side effects and will only temporarily suspend a man's fertility.

    If it works, the new method would offer an alternative to hormone-based male contraceptives with familiar side effects like wild mood swings, acne, and loss of sexual appetite. It might also mean that men could take a greater role in birth control responsibilities, which often fall primarily on women.

    Here's how it would work:

    The researchers -- biochemists and molecular biologists based at Mexico City's UNAM University -- say they have discovered two proteins that are unique to sperm cells, called CatSper and Slo3. These proteins essentially give sperm the energy they need to navigate a woman's ovaries and fertilize her eggs.

    The scientists are now trying to develop a molecule that can disable CatSper and Slo3, thus depriving sperm cells of the mojo they need to do their jobs.

    New contraceptive methods for males could be quite important in cattle ranching and fisheries, according to Dr. Alberto Darzon, the UNAM team's leader. But he added that human males could also use more options for birth control.

    "Until now, there has been no male contraceptive method that has temporary effects and is efficient and safe," Darzon told the UNAM?s press office. "It's amazing that until now, society has placed on women the responsibility of dealing with the secondary effects of birth control methods. That is a clear sign of gender discrimination."

    Of course, men could just keep using condoms, instead of taking birth control pills, injections or the like. But for those who want to be extra safe, or for those who have a long-term partner and dislike using condoms, alternative contraceptive methods like this one could be an attractive option.

    What do you think? Should dudes share a greater portion of the birth control responsibilities with their female partners?

    http://abcnews.go.com/ABC_Univision/...ry?id=19322179


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    i know a tiny bit about how the whole reproductive process works. imo, it would make more sense if they could come up with some kind of inhibitor to the sperm's enzyme (the acrosome on the head of sperm) which allows it to penetrate the egg. messing with this 'mojo' confuses me a bit, but the article is dumbed down so i'm not sure if they're actually saying this will some how affect the mitochondria of the sperm, mitochondria are where cells energy production happens. or if it would somehow alter the tail so the sperm couldn't propel themselves. i wish the article was more specific, for the nerds out there who want to know more.

    so i'm interested in what the men folk think. would you take birth control? is it your responsibility, or is that strictly in the woman's court since we're the ones with wombs?

    i'm also interested in what the ladies think, however. would you trust a guy to take a pill every day or would you still take birth control yourself? what about alternative, or non hormonal, measures? personally, a product would have to be on the market for a long time before i trusted that it worked, especially if it was something like the article above where they're just trying to steal a sperm's "mojo."
    I'm not sure if this particular article is talking about the same thing, but I've read articles about a drug that makes the tail unable to work correctly.

    They should probably test that on men that don't want kids... Maybe I'm just ignorant, but it seems a little risky (like what if the body doesn't recover to make normal sperm again?).

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    i haven't taken birth control in years... i stick with the condoms (but more so abstinence). i wouldn't trust a man who says he's on contraceptives any more than a man should trust a woman to do it.

    but - i do think it would be a great option for men who are unwilling to have children. it'll be a boon to them. worry free fucking - who wouldn't want that?
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    It won't be worry free, though, anymore than the introduction of women's birth control, which left women sterile or suffering other terrible ailments from the meds.

    My aunt used a form of birth control in the 70s that infamously left her and hundreds of women sterile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by holly View Post
    I'm not sure if this particular article is talking about the same thing, but I've read articles about a drug that makes the tail unable to work correctly.

    They should probably test that on men that don't want kids... Maybe I'm just ignorant, but it seems a little risky (like what if the body doesn't recover to make normal sperm again?).
    this is what concerns me, what if it fucks you up forever? i'm thinking that the article is probably talking about effecting the tail of the sperm, i just wish it said more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bowieluva View Post
    It won't be worry free, though, anymore than the introduction of women's birth control, which left women sterile or suffering other terrible ailments from the meds.

    My aunt used a form of birth control in the 70s that infamously left her and hundreds of women sterile.
    in the beginning they were giving women huge amounts of hormones which was unnecessary and incredibly harmful and dangerous. i think this is probably a large part of the reason we've been hearing about male HBC for a long time but haven't seen anything hit the market.

    the worry-free stuff would be more along the lines of blocking the sperm and not using hormones.

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    do men place such a heavy emphasis on the importance of being a father at some point like many women do?

    for me, i could take it or leave it (motherhood), or so i've often said. however - i've always had it in the back of my mind that it is my duty as a woman to conceive at some point. the meaning of life or something. hopefully, you live past childhood and go on to get married and have babies that hopefully live past childhood to do the same.

    i don't see guys with that same sort of biological imperative and so i don't see the risks of being rendered sterile outweighing the benefits to taking something that can keep you from procreating. i've noticed that the young men today have much less of an issue with getting vasectomies at a young age. i know several guys who've done it before the age of 30 and doctors don't mind handing them out indiscriminately.

    my older guy friends who haven't had kids never tell me that they wish they had an oopsie baby or even that they wish they had decided to have one. i think men, for the most part are kind of ok with getting their rocks off with no intention of bringing another life into the world.
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    Guys actually have a stronger biological imperative to "spread their seed" which is also why they are genetically less inclined towards domesticity. This is true of all male species--they are biologically programmed to perpetuate the population as much as possible.

    Women want kids to raise--men want to hit it and run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by animosity View Post
    do men place such a heavy emphasis on the importance of being a father at some point like many women do?

    for me, i could take it or leave it (motherhood), or so i've often said. however - i've always had it in the back of my mind that it is my duty as a woman to conceive at some point. the meaning of life or something. hopefully, you live past childhood and go on to get married and have babies that hopefully live past childhood to do the same.

    i don't see guys with that same sort of biological imperative and so i don't see the risks of being rendered sterile outweighing the benefits to taking something that can keep you from procreating. i've noticed that the young men today have much less of an issue with getting vasectomies at a young age. i know several guys who've done it before the age of 30 and doctors don't mind handing them out indiscriminately.

    my older guy friends who haven't had kids never tell me that they wish they had an oopsie baby or even that they wish they had decided to have one. i think men, for the most part are kind of ok with getting their rocks off with no intention of bringing another life into the world.
    Some of us women are A-ok with that too!

    There is a big difference between being ambivalent about having kids and knowing you don't want to have kids. If you are ok with it or feel it is your duty at some point in the future, that is different from people who actively seek a forever childfree lifestyle. Just like many gay people remember knowing they were gay at a young age, I remember knowing I didn't want kids as young as 5. I never understood what girls were thinking when they said they wanted to have kids. I like kids ok, and did my fair share of baby-sitting as a teenager and cuddling friend's babies...but never had the desire to have one myself. I am almost 40 and I feel more strongly about it every day.

    I'm all for loving, responsible parenthood, but I think it's unrealistic to think it's a duty or just biology like animals. I want every women to be able to plan their family, or lack thereof. I wish we could provide the same advances in birth control as we have in things as stupid as cell phones or television sets. It's such an important thing to both men and women.

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    Quote Originally Posted by animosity View Post
    do men place such a heavy emphasis on the importance of being a father at some point like many women do?

    for me, i could take it or leave it (motherhood), or so i've often said. however - i've always had it in the back of my mind that it is my duty as a woman to conceive at some point. the meaning of life or something. hopefully, you live past childhood and go on to get married and have babies that hopefully live past childhood to do the same.

    i don't see guys with that same sort of biological imperative and so i don't see the risks of being rendered sterile outweighing the benefits to taking something that can keep you from procreating. i've noticed that the young men today have much less of an issue with getting vasectomies at a young age. i know several guys who've done it before the age of 30 and doctors don't mind handing them out indiscriminately.

    my older guy friends who haven't had kids never tell me that they wish they had an oopsie baby or even that they wish they had decided to have one. i think men, for the most part are kind of ok with getting their rocks off with no intention of bringing another life into the world.
    Whoa, when dating guys that was one of the first things that was mentioned. Not in a crazy 'we're going to get married and be together forever!' kind of way, but just to know what they wanted out of life. I just thought, why waste anyone's time? I knew I didn't want them and that's pretty much a deal breaker for a relationship if both people aren't on the same page. My husband is the only one man that I've heard say straight up that he did not want kids...
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    Quote Originally Posted by holly View Post
    Whoa, when dating guys that was one of the first things that was mentioned. Not in a crazy 'we're going to get married and be together forever!' kind of way, but just to know what they wanted out of life. I just thought, why waste anyone's time? I knew I didn't want them and that's pretty much a deal breaker for a relationship if both people aren't on the same page. My husband is the only one man that I've heard say straight up that he did not want kids...
    My husband was the only man I ever heard say straight up that he didn't want kids. I've since met a few men that said they wished they didn't have kids, but they thought they had to go along with it in order to get married/not be single their whole lives. They said they just went along with it because they figured that's what you did and that all women wanted kids. I hate when people have kids and then aren't involved with them. I wish it was more ok in our society for both men and women to be upfront and open about not wanting kids and to not be expected by society to have them.

    On a side note, I saw that a new form of IUD was approved in January 2013. Skyla is smaller than Mirena, so insertion is easier and some of the problems experienced with Mirena are eliminated. While not a form of male birth control, I'm always happy to hear that there are new reliable forms of birth control being approved.

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    We should try to keep the female birth control stuff in the over thread. We need more mens posting in this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by emmieslost View Post
    We should try to keep the female birth control stuff in the over thread. We need more mens posting in this one.
    I posted it in there earlier this evening. I think it's hard to separate male from female in the birth control discussion...they go so hand in hand. Just like when so many people discuss their guy's vasectomies in the female birth control thread. One leads to the other because unfortunately there is no perfect solution and everyone keeps seeking out better options and the discussion of such is good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bowieluva View Post
    Guys actually have a stronger biological imperative to "spread their seed" which is also why they are genetically less inclined towards domesticity. This is true of all male species--they are biologically programmed to perpetuate the population as much as possible.

    Women want kids to raise--men want to hit it and run.
    but i don't think it necessarily translates into men wanting to have a ton of mini them's spread all out about the countryside. that biological imperative just evolved into, like you said - hit it and run - with no reproductive reasoning (as far as human animals are concerned...).
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    Quote Originally Posted by raisedbywolves View Post
    I've since met a few men that said they wished they didn't have kids
    That made me really sad.
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    oMG, yeah, no, AMY is in no way superior to Tara. Never.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raisedbywolves View Post
    I posted it in there earlier this evening. I think it's hard to separate male from female in the birth control discussion...they go so hand in hand. Just like when so many people discuss their guy's vasectomies in the female birth control thread. One leads to the other because unfortunately there is no perfect solution and everyone keeps seeking out better options and the discussion of such is good.
    not trying to be an asshole but it is pretty simply to distinguish between male and female forms of birth control. i started this thread so that we could talk about male birth control and so that the men will participate more. if it becomes a big lady-fest where the women dominate the conversation with talk about IUDs, ect. the men will won't participate.

    i also know a lot of guys who will tell you they never want kids. i actually know very few guys who actually wanted/want to have kids. most of them that do are older.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nancy Drew View Post
    That made me really sad.
    It does me too. I want all kids to be wanted and loved. Every kid deserves at least that much IMHO!

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    Quote Originally Posted by raisedbywolves View Post
    It does me too. I want all kids to be wanted and loved. Every kid deserves at least that much IMHO!
    For sure. I honestly don't see guys not thinking it's the wimminz job, though.
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    oMG, yeah, no, AMY is in no way superior to Tara. Never.

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    Quote Originally Posted by emmieslost View Post
    not trying to be an asshole but it is pretty simply to distinguish between male and female forms of birth control. i started this thread so that we could talk about male birth control and so that the men will participate more. if it becomes a big lady-fest where the women dominate the conversation with talk about IUDs, ect. the men will won't participate.

    i also know a lot of guys who will tell you they never want kids. i actually know very few guys who actually wanted/want to have kids. most of them that do are older.
    I understand and I'm not trying to be an asshole back to you. I understand that they are different, but they do go hand in hand. My hubby had a vasectomy at 23 because I had tried every form of b.c. out there and they all caused issues. I think many men only look at birth control themselves because they are 1. not in a steady relationship or 2. they are in a steady relationship and their female partner has issues with their birth control or (in the old days before Obamacare) a male birth control ends up being cheaper than female options. Therefore in my opinion, male and female birth control go discussion go hand in hand. It's not like I am discussing big scary details of female anatomy or such.

    I sincerely didn't realize the men on here were such that they would be scared off by mention of female birth control. And no, I am not being snarky with that...just flabbergasted that that's the opinion. Carry on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bowieluva View Post
    I hate birth control pills with a fiery passion and look forward to men experiencing how goddamn awful they are and what a toll it takes on your body.

    My boyfriend has been snipped, which will suck down the line but is ideal now.

    ETA: birth control doesn't just make women fat. It can create constant nausea, rapid mood swings, depression, bad skin issues, lack of sex drive, etc.
    It's kind of like how men are playing a role in women's rights and laws. A bunch of male chemists are making your birth control. "Well it causes all these side effects. Good enough for them."

    Same chemists making birth control for men. "Shit, it has a lot of side effects. We can do better!"

    sexist chemists

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cap-n Meow View Post
    It's kind of like how men are playing a role in women's rights and laws. A bunch of male chemists are making your birth control. "Well it causes all these side effects. Good enough for them."

    Same chemists making birth control for men. "Shit, it has a lot of side effects. We can do better!"

    sexist chemists
    exactly. the interest in female birth control very much comes as a benefit to men, but so much easier if they don't have to deal with it directly (aside from creating, testing, marketing, writing the scripts, ect). i touched on this in my original post. it's not only sexism, it's self preservation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by animosity View Post
    but i don't think it necessarily translates into men wanting to have a ton of mini them's spread all out about the countryside. that biological imperative just evolved into, like you said - hit it and run - with no reproductive reasoning (as far as human animals are concerned...).
    Let me put it this way: the amount of men in this country who have like 20 fucking kids they aren't taking care of completely contradicts this.

    It has nothing to do with emotional response to kids, it's just a MUST HAVE MORE MES that is ingrained in men. Otherwise they wouldn't be such babies about condoms.Unless the state steps in and makes them pay, there are very few consequences for men when it comes to having kids. The reason men have a stronger sex drive than women is part of that biological imperative.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_imperative
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    Quote Originally Posted by bowieluva View Post
    Let me put it this way: the amount of men in this country who have like 20 fucking kids they aren't taking care of completely contradicts this.

    It has nothing to do with emotional response to kids, it's just a MUST HAVE MORE MES that is ingrained in men. Otherwise they wouldn't be such babies about condoms.Unless the state steps in and makes them pay, there are very few consequences for men when it comes to having kids. The reason men have a stronger sex drive than women is part of that biological imperative.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_imperative
    this is, at least in part, why i was interested in starting this thread and hearing what the guys on the board have to say. i'm curious as to weather men feel like taking some kind of hormonal birth which would leave them unable to spawn would make them feel less 'manly?' or something along those lines. this is why i say i wouldn't trust a man with the birth control on his own unless he already had a child. but, i do know a few guys (sadly) who want kids (as many as possible) and don't take care of the ones they have. it's pretty gross, if you ask me.

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