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    Quote Originally Posted by portia View Post
    Yeah. I just told my husband that it would be SUPER EASY for Grace to dismiss this, since they were 3 months late filing. and then I'm like, WTF dude....why did you wait 2 years and 3 months?!?!
    Who knows, maybe HE got paid to file late. You never know with this area.

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    Latest article causing a stink over at the Justice for Molly FB page. Most are commenting that these reports were fabricated as part of the cover up.

    http://carbondaletimes.com/041615young
    Reports detail second Molly Young investigation

    Submitted by Carbondale Times on Thu, 04/16/2015 - 09:39

    Geoffrey Ritter
    Carbondale Times

    Despite some assertions to the contrary, investigators attempted to interview dozens of potential witnesses as they undertook a second review of the 2012 death of Molly Young under the supervision of a special prosecutor.

    Illinois State Police documents obtained by the Times through a Freedom of Information Act request detail much of the work done in 2013 and 2014 as part of a second criminal investigation conducted under the authority of the Special Prosecution Unit of the State?s Attorneys Appellate Prosecutor office in Springfield.

    Young, 21, was found dead from a bullet wound to the head March 24, 2012, in the Westridge Drive apartment of Richie Minton, her on-and-off boyfriend and at the time a dispatcher at the Carbondale Police Department. While text messages sent from Molly Young?s phone that night indicated suicidal intentions, her family has alleged Minton killed her.

    They have pointed to, among other things, the lack of fingerprints on the gun and the downward trajectory of the bullet, which the right-handed Young likely would have had to have fired with her left hand. They also have alleged some electronic evidence was doctored or fabricated.

    Minton, who drank heavily earlier in the evening, summoned Young to his apartment. He said he must have slept through the gunshot from his weapon that ended Young?s life in his bedroom. In 2013, an inquest jury was presented with the choices of suicide or homicide and ruled the nature of Young?s death undetermined.

    A civil suit currently is pending against Minton, although the judge now is considering a motion to dismiss it based on arguments from Minton?s attorney that it was filed after the statute of limitations for such action had expired.

    On the recent three-year anniversary of Young?s death, her father posted to the Facebook group Justice for Molly that police have refused to interview any witnesses from the nearby apartments.

    ?When we arrived (the morning of her death) three Illinois State Police officers were standing guard in the parking lot in front of the apt next to Molly?s car,? Larry Young wrote. ?Directly in front of them staring them in the face were three witnesses who came forward to media over a year later. To this day the ISP still refuses to interview these witnesses along with a potential 50 others. I believe this is not only a disgrace but an obstruction of justice!?

    Documents obtained by the Times show that in March 2014, a State Police investigator managed to interview 10 witnesses from the surrounding apartments. The records show he was unable to reach another 22 residents. None of those interviewed had any substantial information from the morning Young was found dead.

    State Police attempted to interview one other possible witness ? one of the ones who reportedly had given an anonymous interview to another media outlet indicating that police were on the scene prior to Minton?s 911 call. Police reported not receiving any cooperation from her. The Times is withholding her name since she previously spoke publicly only with the assurance of anonymity.

    ?Numerous attempts were made at knocking on [her] door for approximately 10 minutes to try and get [her] to answer,? the report says. ?When [she] did come to the door, [she] was very irate and began yelling that she had been in the shower. [She] was wrapped in a large blanket and had no appearance of moisture from having been in the shower. ? [She] slammed the door and yelled through the closed door again that the interview would be done on her time. R/A told [her] that it was important that investigators speak with her. [She] opened the door and continued yelling that the interview would be done on her time. R/A asked [her] if she had anything to contribute to the investigation, and if so, what that information was. [She] again slammed the door and yelled for investigators not to come back.?

    The results of the special prosecutor?s investigation, which were announced late last year, essentially upheld an earlier stance taken by Jackson County State?s Attorney Mike Carr ? that unanswered questions remain regarding Young?s death, but there is not enough evidence to warrant a criminal prosecution. Patrick Delfino, director of the special prosecutor?s office, said last year that the case will remain open.

    The police reports obtained by the Times detail other parts of the special prosecutor?s investigation. In fall 2013, prosecutor Ed Parkinson inquired about parallel indentations on Young?s hand that appeared to him to be similar to those on the gun?s textured grip. A State Police forensic scientist said that the gun was not the likely cause of the indentations.

    State Police personnel also re-interviewed Minton?s roommate at the time of Young?s death and attempted to obtain surveillance footage from a number of sources. They reported not finding any pertinent information as a result.

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    case dismissed by judge grace.

    http://thesouthern.com/news/local/co...6f577fc9d.html

    Judge dismisses wrongful death lawsuit filed by Molly Young's father
    4 hours ago ? By Molly Parker

    MURPHYSBORO ? Jackson County Circuit Judge W. Charles Grace on Friday dismissed the wrongful death lawsuit that Molly Young?s father brought against then-Carbondale Police Department dispatcher Richie Minton, whose apartment she was found dead in on March 24, 2012.

    In a seven-page order, Grace said the court is ?sorry for his loss? but ruled that Larry Young failed to file the lawsuit within two years of his daughter?s death, as required by statute.

    Stegmeyer filed the case on Larry Young?s behalf on June 30, 2014, two years and three months after her death.

    In agreeing with Minton?s attorney, Bryan Drew, Grace denied arguments made by Young?s attorney, Charles Stegmeyer, that the civil suit was filed in a timely manner upon Larry Young receiving information pertinent to the lawsuit. Stegmeyer argued that information was kept from him in what amounted to fraudulent concealment, thereby extending the time allowed to file the case by another five years.

    Stegmeyer argued that the fraudulent concealment included, among other things, Minton wiping the gun clean to eliminate fingerprints, police allowing Minton to take a shower and wash his clothes at the scene, Minton and his roommate waiting upwards of four hours to call 9-1-1 after Molly Young?s death, Minton refusing to speak to authorities and hiring counsel to protect himself, Minton indicating in the 9-1-1 call that she overdosed, and Minton placing a bottle of pills near her body.

    Without comment on the merits of any of these allegations, Grace?s order says that the court ?does not believe the actions alleged as fraud" prevented the filing of the wrongful death lawsuit alleging Minton either shot Molly Young or made available the gun with which she shot herself.

    Even if any of these items have merit, Grace said there was still sufficient time ? 14 months ? to file the wrongful death lawsuit within the time frame required from the Jan. 31, 2013 inquest date that Larry Young argued was key to discovering information that led him to file this case.

    Larry Young told The Southern Illinoisan on Saturday that he would ask his attorney to appeal the decision by Grace.

    ?It?s just another bump in the road, but we?re not going to give up on this,? Young said. ?How can you give up on the murder of your daughter? It?s like living out your worst nightmare."

    Young said it was typical but frustrating to receive significant news related to his daughter's death, as it relates to the criminal investigation and this lawsuit, from a reporter.

    ?That is sick. That?s just sick,? he said, noting he had just spoken with Stegmeyer on Friday, who informed him at the time he did not have any new information about the status of the civil lawsuit after Grace said in April he would make a decision on Drew's motion to dismiss within a few weeks.

    Court records show the order was sent by certified mail to Drew and Stegmeyer on Friday, meaning it is likely not to arrive to them until the early part of next week.

    Minton has never been charged with any criminal wrongdoing related to Molly Young's death. The suit seeks $1 million in damages, though Larry Young has said he filed it to bring to light the circumstances that led to his daughter?s death, and not for the money.

    He has long argued that police botched the investigation into Molly Young's death.

    According to police records, Minton asked Young, his on-again, off-again girlfriend, to come to his apartment that morning at 3:28 a.m. in a text message asking for ?he[l]p? following a long night of drinking.

    That morning, Minton called 9-1-1, reporting that Young had overdosed and was bleeding from her nose. He later told the Carbondale Police Department that she shot herself. The cause of death was determined to be a single gunshot wound to the head.

    An autopsy conducted the day after classified her death as a suicide, and Jackson County State?s Attorney Michael Carr found in August 2013 ?insufficient evidence? to make a murder charge.

    Late this past year, a State?s Attorneys Appellate Prosecutor reviewing the case said there was no conclusive evidence to issue an indictment, but also stopped short of ruling Young?s death a suicide.

    Many questions were raised in the weeks and months after she died as details of the case emerged, including why the gun was found on Young?s left side when she is right-handed, and how Minton could have slept through the noise of a gunshot in his apartment.

    The special prosecutor?s report stated that most, though not all, who commit suicide with a firearm use their dominant hand, making this evidence inconclusive. The report also said that Minton, who was intoxicated, could have slept through a gunshot because the sound of a gun held to a ?soft-tissue surface? can be substantially muffled.

    As Larry Young was processing the news about his dismissed lawsuit, supporters of Young and others whose deaths have been shrouded in controversy were making their way to the Daley Plaza in downtown Chicago to take part in a rally called ?Holding Hands Together ? Justice for all!?

    Lovely Varughese, the mother of 19-year-old SIU student Pravin Varughese, who was found dead in a wooded area in Carbondale five days after he disappeared in February 2013, said several families planned to come together in solidarity who are ?going through the same problems.?

    ?This is to bring the families together, to show we are not alone,? she said before the Saturday afternoon rally. ?There are many, many others like us. We?re hoping to bring the families together and create a national awareness that there are problems in the legal system and we need a major reform.?

    Varughese said, though she appreciates being informed, she also has been frustrated about finding out matters related to her son?s case through representatives of the media instead of the public officials making the decisions.

    ?That is the hardest thing,? she said. ?We find out things from reporters. That is so wrong.?

    Stegmeyer also is representing Lovely Varughese in a civil wrongful death lawsuit seeking $5 million against the person last seen with Pravin Varughese before he disappeared, as well as the city of Carbondale, and then-Police Chief Jody O'Guinn.


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    These people just cannot win. :(

    This is one of the most frustrating and infuriating cases I've ever come across.

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    Posted by Larry young. I can't watch it on my phone, but it apparently shows Larry filed 7 days late, not 3 months.

    http://cdn.bimvid.com/WSIL/1591505f4...366cec_fl9.mp4

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    I feel terrible for Mr. Young, but there is no way he's going to get around the statue of limitations.

    Personally, I think they should have used the date of when they cleared Milton and not her death date, but sadly, it doesn't work that way. I think that's why this whole thing has drug out. The uppers were stalling time...letting the SOL run out.

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    The picture of Richie Minton's back taken by the ISP showing the fresh scratches he had the morning Molly died.


    Monica Zukas posted this today, adding that Richie's roommate Wes had scratches too, that ISP documented.

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    Sorry for the double post.

    I forgot to mention these are the scratches he told ISP he got while performing CPR on Molly up to four hours after she had died.

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    ohhhhh! I want to see what all they withheld.

    http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/story/2946...ooting-records

    State police told to turn over Carbondale shooting records
    CARBONDALE, Ill. (AP) -
    The Illinois Attorney General's Office has determined that State Police "improperly withheld" public records sought by the father of a 21-year-old Carbondale woman killed in a suspicious shooting.

    Molly Young died in March 2012 at the apartment of her ex-boyfriend, a Carbondale police dispatcher. Her case remains open after the state's prosecutor couldn't determine whether a single gunshot to her head was an accident, suicide or homicide.

    Larry Young appealed to the top Illinois prosecutor's Public Access Bureau after the State Police denied his January 2014 records request. The law enforcement agency said that it had already provided Young with all the records he was legally entitled to.

    The bureau ruled Monday that Illinois State Police violated the Freedom of Information Act and ordered it to release additional documents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by portia View Post
    ohhhhh! I want to see what all they withheld.

    http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/story/2946...ooting-records
    I wonder if this will allow a re-filing of the civil lawsuit?

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    This article says so. I can't copy/paste Disclosure's articles.

    http://www.disclosurenewsonline.com/2015/07/03/attorney-general-orders-release-of-the-rest-of-molly-young-documents/#sthash.kepFw5mE.8LF8RHbj.dpbs

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    http://www.kfvs12.com/story/29492090...-death-lawsuit

    Molly Young's father appealing dismissal of wrongful death lawsuit

    Updated: Jul 07, 2015 2:22 PM CDT
    Written by Crystal Britt



    CARBONDALE, IL (KFVS) -
    A decision made last week by the Public Access Bureau through the Illinois Office of the Attorney General is giving Larry Young the extra spark he needs to continue his legal battle.

    Young's 21-year-old daughter, Molly Young, was found dead in her ex-boyfriend's Carbondale apartment in 2012 with a gunshot wound to the head.

    On July 1, Young's attorney, Charles Stegmeyer, mailed a notice of appeal in the wrongful death lawsuit against Richie Minton.

    Young says Stegmeyer had already been working on the appeal before the determination was made about Illinois State Police improperly withholding records to Young.

    In March 2012, 21-year-old Molly Young was found dead with a single gunshot wound to the head inside Minton's Carbondale apartment.

    A January 2013 coroner's inquest could not determine the manner in which Molly died, whether it be suicide, homicide, or accidental.

    Larry Young has argued from the beginning that police botched the investigation into his daughter's death.

    "We will not quit until we find the truth through a complete investigation," Larry Young said. "We are now convinced that an honest and thorough investigation has not been accomplished. We continue to be perplexed by the secrecy of law enforcement surrounding this case."

    In May 2015, Jackson County Circuit Judge W. Charles Grace dismissed the civil lawsuit against Minton.

    Grace ruled that Larry Young failed to file the lawsuit within two years of his daughter's death, as required by statute.

    Young's attorney argued that the civil suit was filed in a timely manner due to the fact that Larry Young had not received the information he had been requesting in this case.

    Young had filed Freedom of Information Act requests to Illinois State Police for any and all records pertaining to Molly Young's death investigation.

    On June 29, 2015 the Public Access Bureau determined that ISP improperly withheld records as requested by Larry Young.

    The bureau directed ISP to provide Young with copies of all the records, subject only to redacted private information.

    Young says he also filed FOIA requests to Carbondale police 17 months ago, and still has not received the records he requested from that department.

    Young has also appealed to the Pubic Access Bureau regarding the documents he is still waiting for from Carbondale.

    Young hopes that now the court will see that he did not receive the information he needed to file the lawsuit any sooner than he did.

    No criminal charges have ever been filed in connection to Molly Young's death.


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    http://www.disclosurenewsonline.com/....Rw4qAh0B.dpbs

    STATE POLICE: 'SUSPECT WAS STANDING ON THE BED WHEN MOLLY YOUNG WAS SHOT'

    JACKSON CO., Ill. -- The release of documents on the case of the March 2012 death of Molly Young continues with these incredible pages.

    Young, 21, died in the apartment of her ex-boyfriend, Richie Minton, on March 24, 2012.

    Authorities did a thorough investigation into the matter save for interviewing the lead suspect, Minton himself, who was th eonly person present when Young was shot in the head at close range.

    Authorities then backpedaled on their investigation, indicating it was their belief that Young had committed suicide.

    A January 31, 2013 coroner's jury didn't think so, however, and ruled the death of the former SIU-C student as due to "unknown" circumstances, ruling out suicide, and not opting to rule IN homicide...but because it was 'unknown,' that means that homicide could later be ruled.

    No effort on the part of the officials has gone toward that premise, however, and Minton is still free to post snarky comments about the ongoing efforts of Molly's father Larry Young, who is trying to bring about justice for his daughter.

    No one has been charged in the death.

    Here are the documents; draw your own conclusions from them.






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    Richie got away with murder.

    If he was passed out drunk when she shot herself, how did the blood splatter get on the bottom of his PJ's?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bermstalker View Post
    Richie got away with murder.

    If he was passed out drunk when she shot herself, how did the blood splatter get on the bottom of his PJ's?
    Yes he did. The city of Carbondale will pay, and rightfully so. I'm quite sure taxes will go up. We just had a tax increase, I guess to pay for downtown renovations, or maybe to pay for this lawsuit. I'm happy that I'll be leaving soon. Southern Illinois is fubar.

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    I am not sure why Richie's dad was allowed to "direct" the investigation of her "suicide".




    Amber was Richie's coworker at CPD, she took the 911 call and had subsequent communication with him, apparently deleting her text messages.




    Why nobody thought it was odd that he would want someone to get Molly's cell phone for him is beyond me.


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    This case.

    God, I feel so damn bad for Molly's family.
    I hope that when the world comes to an end, I can breathe a sigh of relief, because there will be so much to look forward to. - Donnie Darko

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    Statement made by Molly's best friend's dad.

    https://m.soundcloud.com/monizuke8/chillingstatement

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    CPD ordered to hand over files to Larry.

    http://m.thesouthern.com/news/local/...ile_touch=true

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    What a joke.

    http://www.wsiltv.com/news/local/Carbondale-Asks-AGs-Office-for-Clarification-on-Molly-Young-Records-321335071.html?m=y&smobile=y

    CARBONDALE -- More than two weeks after the Illinois Attorney General's Office ordered Carbondale to turn over photographs and documents in the Molly Young investigation to her father, he's still waiting.

    News 3 has learned Carbondale officials approached the AG's office last week with more questions about whether they have to comply.

    "It just seems they were a little slow getting the message," said Bill Freivogel, head of SIU's School of Journalism.

    Freivogel is an expert on the Freedom of Information Act and has a law degree. He can't believe Carbondale at first refused to even turn over its records to the attorney general's office.

    "That seems pretty startling to me. I can't believe you wouldn't respond to the attorney general's office inquiry," he said.

    This time, Carbondale officials wanted to know what they should do "If the prosecuting attorney objects to the Carbondale Police Department turning anything over, should we rely on his objections or your non-binding opinion?"

    The lawyer handling the case for the attorney general replied:

    "In general, (the Public Access Bureau) expects compliance with our determinations. Should you receive conflicting advice, we suggest you consult the (Police) Department's legal counsel."

    With the police department's investigation over, Freivogel says it's time to let Molly Young's father, and the public, see how it gathered evidence.

    "That it's important for the press and for the family and for citizens to be able to get the information so they can satisfy themselves that the case was fully and fairly investigated," he said.

    But there's no sign that'll happen anytime soon.

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    That is just f'ing nuts.

    They know they screwed/covered this whole case up.

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    another update on Larry's FOIA requests, still getting slow-played.

    LOVE how they said that Larry's request was "unduly burdensome."

    http://carbondaletimes.com/082615young

    Molly Young FOIA fight continues
    Submitted by Carbondale Times on Wed, 08/26/2015 - 14:19

    Geoffrey Ritter
    Carbondale Times

    Despite recent letters from the Attorney General?s Office directing police to provide records related to Molly Young?s 2012 death to her father, law enforcement agencies have made little to no progress toward actually doing so.

    In a non-binding opinion sent late last month, the Illinois Attorney General?s Public Access Bureau said Carbondale Police incorrectly asserted exemptions in denying some records requested by Larry Young regarding his daughter, who was found dead from a gunshot wound to the head in the apartment of a then-Carbondale Police dispatcher.

    Larry Young obtained a similar letter in late June regarding records in the possession of the Illinois State Police, but Young said Tuesday he has received no follow-up information from either agency in the time since.

    Young said the State Police have failed to reply to certified letters he subsequently has sent regarding the case, and he said he has filed new Freedom of Information Act requests with both agencies. He admitted to being surprised that he received no response from them even after the Attorney General?s Office?s non-binding directives.

    ?Why is there such a deceitful, lying atmosphere among the people in charge of this case?? Young asked Tuesday. ?There?s got to be something they?re hiding that they don?t want me to know, that they don?t want the public to know.?

    Molly Young, 21 at the time, was found dead from a bullet wound to the head in the Carbondale apartment of Richie Minton, at the time a dispatcher at the Carbondale Police Department. While text messages sent from Young?s phone that night indicated possibly suicidal intentions, other details in the case have given rise to a host of other questions and theories.

    Young?s family has pointed to, among other things, the lack of fingerprints on the gun and the downward trajectory of the bullet, which the right-handed Young likely would have to have fired with her left hand.

    In the time since, Minton has declined to speak with police about the case despite being named as a suspect in early State Police documents.

    In 2013, an inquest jury was presented with the choices of suicide or homicide and ruled the nature of Young?s death undetermined.

    Larry Young initially received documentation concerning his daughter from Carbondale Police in 2013, but he filed another Freedom of Information Act request in January 2014 seeking documents, including graphic photographs, that he alleged were improperly withheld on the supposed basis of privacy. He appealed the subsequent denial to the Attorney General.

    The AG?s final letter in response to that appeal, dated July 24, describes the Carbondale Police Department and assistant city attorney Lenoard ?Jamie? Snyder as having been generally unresponsive during the duration of Larry Young?s FOIA appeal process. The letter also says the department denied Young?s request by improperly claiming FOIA exemptions based on a supposed ongoing investigation and classifying Young?s request as ?unduly burdensome.?

    Reached Tuesday morning, Snyder said he could not comment on any aspect of the case without authorization from City Manager Kevin Baity, who is out of town this week on private family business.

    Interim Carbondale Police Chief Jeff Grubbs said the department is waiting on direction from the Office of the State?s Attorney?s Appellate Prosecutor ? the same special prosecutor that concluded a review of the Young case late last year at the request of Jackson County State?s Attorney Mike Carr.

    The office, which apparently is still the prosecutor of record on the case, determined last year that not enough evidence existed to prosecute anyone in Young?s death, but that the case would remain open, largely upholding a similar stance from Carr?s office.

    Grubbs said Tuesday he could not speak to anything specific he has done during his year as interim chief to move Larry Young?s FOIA case along or facilitate any sort of resolution to the family?s grievances against the Police Department.

    Grubbs did say he intends to provide Larry Young with the documents he is seeking ?the minute we receive direction? from the Office of the State?s Attorney?s Appellate Prosecutor.

    ?It is my intent to get Larry Young the records he is seeking,? Grubbs said.

    The Illinois State Police cite a similar situation. Attorney Aaron Harris with the State Police said his agency is ?at a standstill? while waiting for an opinion from the special prosecutor?s office, which is determining what information in the Young case, if any, would jeopardize any future attempt to prosecute a criminal case.

    ?We?re not trying to hide the information, but right now, we?re giving everything to the appellate prosecutor,? Harris said. ?They?re going to look into all the information.?

    Harris acknowledged that the information is not yet at the appellate prosecutor?s office.

    ?It?s coming to them,? Harris said. Harris didn?t say whether information already had been sent.

    Patrick Delfino, director of the Special Prosecution Unit of the State?s Attorneys Appellate Prosecutor?s Office, confirmed Tuesday that his office would hold a meeting ?next week? to discuss the case and what documents can be disclosed. Delfino declined to speak further on the record.

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    Well apparently, they are now finally ready to release the records to him. It's only like 6 months after they were ordered to. I hope some of them didn't somehow accidentally fall into a paper shredder in the meantime.

    http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/story/3076...y-youngs-death

    Carbondale Mayor is ready to release records in Molly Young's death
    CARBONDALE, IL -

    Carbondale Mayor Mike Henry says he will release police records in the death of Molly Young. She is the 21-year-old SIU student found dead in her boyfriend's apartment 3 years ago. Since her death, her family has petitioned for the release of records.

    Mayor Henry now says, "Well, we are ready to do that. We have a couple more steps to take with it. Actually, Mr. Young has almost all of the records already but I'm having conversations with him to see what else he might need."

    Last July, the Public Access Bureau proved State Police violated the Freedom of Information Act and ordered the release of the records.

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    How awful for Molly's family. Karma is a bitch for the others.

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    Another win. Wonder if these two departments will ever give up the shit Larry asked for.

    http://m.kfvs12.com/kfvs12/pm_/conte...id=od:li3zNL0X

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