Here's some video following the coroners inquest.
Here's some video following the coroners inquest.
This case is like
it's small town southern Illinois. Carbondale PD would handle at most, maybe, 6 murders a year.
Minton's father and mother are both LEO, including the father being a computer expert. There is some thought amongst the skeptics of this case that any further investigation is being short circuited by the fear that the father could tamper with DA's offices/investigating agency computers.
can't wait to read the article tomorrow. maybe i'll pick up a paper on lunch tonight at work.
Oh, man, Portia. I bet Molly's family is devastated.
I hope that when the world comes to an end, I can breathe a sigh of relief, because there will be so much to look forward to. - Donnie Darko
i haven't seen anything posted by her dad yet, concerning this decision. the last thing he posted on the Justice For Molly page was:
and that was almost a day ago.Larry Young
According to Illinois State Police reports Richie Minton would NOT consent to DNA testing, blood samples, urine samples, or fingernail clippings. Also, he would NOT consent to a search of his apartment, his cell phone, or his vehicle. Although Wesley Romack did consent to a search of his and Richie's apartment, Molly was left to lay in Richie's bedroom floor for 7 hours after the 911 call until search warrants were signed. My family and I find this extremely disgusting and sickening!!
letters to the editor that the carbondale times have received.
http://carbondaletimes.com/072513let...MO77Y.facebook
Letters: Readers respond to Molly Young coverage
Submitted by Carbondale Times on Thu, 07/25/2013 - 16:06
The Times has received plenty of reader feedback in response to recent stories published regarding the 2012 death of Molly Young. The following letters were printed in the newspaper between July 17 and 24.
Young case is hurting Carbondale's image
Dear Editor,
I am writing this letter in disgust. I am here in Reno, Nev., and I hear about this pathetic police cover-up involving Molly Young. Once you start to read all of the facts, it?s a disgrace that nothing has been done.
The media has a responsibility here if the law enforcement officials are going to hide the truth. As the media, your responsibility is to expose the truth and then let the heads roll. The first head to go should be the chief of police and then every other accomplice and accessory to this.
The city of Carbondale?s image takes a hit when this kind of archaic police activity occurs. Come on, Carbondale, make something happen in the name of justice! ?John Brill, Reno, Nev.
Justice must be done in Young death
Dear Editor,
A couple of weeks ago I spoke with you on the phone concerning the investigation into the death of Molly Young.
Thank you for your persistence. So far you seem to be about the only one, other than myself and naturally her friends and family, that seems to care about the final reason, and who or what was the ultimate cause of her death.
However, in the July 10-16 article (?Fresh scratches raised questions in Young?s death?), it was a bit refreshing to find out that there is at least one other ISP master sergeant that brought new light to the investigation. Or was it old light that had been suppressed or perhaps evidence that had been overlooked by the first responders, initial local police investigators, etc.?
As a concerned citizen, now older and much wiser, I find the facts that have been made public only now raising more and more questions and doubts to the concerned public about the whole investigation.
CPD allowed Richie Minton allowed Minton to wash his hands. Later the same day, two CPD sergeants went to the locker room to collect Minton?s clothing. Why are the two scratches on Minton?s body just below his armpit just becoming more of a bigger issue? What?s that about?
In a separate ISP report, Minton says the scratches must have gotten there while giving CPR to Ms. Young. Really? The master sergeant?s reply: I can?t believe that one. And now the findings of three DNA profiles under Ms. Young?s fingernail clippings ? a predominant Y-STR haplotype matching Minton?s Y-STR haplotype. What?s this about? And in June, State?s Attorney Carr couldn?t comment on any aspects of the case. Wow!
Now to the coroner?s report, undetermined due to lack of evidence ? evidence that could have possibly washed away. And has any of us ever been arrested, allowed to wash off and change? And of course, no fingerprints on the gun.
Please, ISP: Stick with this until justice is done to those who might deserve any justice. There are way too many holes in this. I rest my case. ?Paul Meacham, Carbondale
Thanks for Molly Young coverage
Dear Editor,
I?d like to state that I think Geoffrey Ritter has done a remarkable and professional job in reporting on the Molly Young case. He has continuously given factual information, and has attempted to be honest and as unbiased as one can possibly be, given the obvious errors that have been made by authorities.
First of all, the death was deliberately classified as a suicide, long before the coroner?s jury ever met to determine the exact cause of death. It was referred to as an overdose. No gunpowder residue was found on her hands, which were bagged at the scene. Close friends and family have repeatedly said that Molly was dealing with the breakup between her and her ex-boyfriend, and was looking forward to upcoming events, including an appointment to get a lotus flower tattoo done by the father of one of her best friends. Molly was of slight build and had no experience whatsoever with firearms. Yet, we are expected to believe that as a right-handed person, she inflicted a gunshot wound on the top left side of her head in a downward trajectory. No shots were heard by her ex-boyfriend, when her body was inches away from the bed where he supposedly lay sleeping. No prints were on the gun. Yes, that?s right folks; no prints of anyone were on the gun! How convenient!
Molly?s parents were the last to know of their daughter?s death, but the ex-boyfriend had his parents present, and a lawyer by the time Molly?s parents arrived. Both of his parents have associations with area police departments, and the father is a certified forensic computer specialist. The ex-boyfriend was allowed to wash his hands and change his clothes, and by the time he was ready to submit to testing, of course there was nothing to find. Again, how convenient! Officials at first denied that this was true, but later reports uncovered by the Carbondale Times revealed that the hand washing did occur prior to evidence taking. Isn?t it a shame that it takes the filing of a Freedom of Information Act request to get to the truth, when the police knew this all the time? The ex-boyfriend has never submitted to an interview with officials, who claim to be trying to get to the facts of the case. Really?
Because of the initial report of this being a suicide, the media has been almost totally out of the picture. Only the Carbondale Times has tried to do the right thing by reporting the true facts of this case. Ritter was the one to report that the ex-boyfriend had two six inch, fresh scratches below his right arm pit. As the ex-boyfriend undressed at the police station, these marks were referred to and he replied that he must have gotten them trying to give Molly CPR. Really? Even this was a stretch of the imagination for the police. DNA evidence, not revealed at the coroner?s inquest, indicates that the ex-boyfriend?s DNA was present under Molly?s fingernails. Where are the area news sources now, when there is plenty of evidence to report? Again, only the Carbondale Times is on the scene, using the power of the Freedom of Information Act to get to the truth.
Just recently Molly?s father, stepmother and uncle were interviewed at length by Monica Zukas on the WGGH radio show ?Reality Check with Monica Zukas.? This can be accessed by going to soundcloud.com/monizuke-1/reality-check-with-monica.
Without the hard work of Ritter, Zukas and countless interested friends, family and citizens of Southern Illinois interested in justice, Molly?s death would be just another forgotten page in the annals of inept police work, and nepotism behind the blue wall. Molly?s family would be left to live a life without their precious daughter, knowing in their hearts and minds that justice is not being served. All the family wants is the truth, so we are left to wonder what the state?s attorney is waiting for, and why the police have been reluctant to do their jobs.
Thank you Geoffrey Ritter and the Carbondale Times. ?Becky Gray-Clay, Johnston City
From Richie's Facebook page.
Richie Minton
July 18 near Carbondale, IL
Almost 2 years ago when I used to go to the laundrymat Molly Young drew an amazing vulture with a humans body on this chair with a sharpie while we waited on my laundry to get done. The next time we came in someone had cut her drawing off and took it home. I went back there today and found the same chair. I wish more people remembered her this way. A smart caring beautiful person with an amazing talent at art. I keep from defending myself in the hope that she gets even a moment of peace in her rest. One side is dead set on her being remembered as a victim of murder and will do anything to put themselves in the public eye because of it. The other side wants her remembered for who she was and the memories she left. I don't care what people think of me. I care about what they think of her. I always will. The people she hated the most are the ones begging for people's sympathy. I can't stop that. But regardless how you think of me, think of her as what she was. A strong beautiful girl who lived a life harder than most of us could imagine. I still pray that she rests in peace, even tho the world seems intent on keeping her from it.
yeah, i know. I was basically agreeing that it seems like a set up. It wouldn't make a lot of sense if Molly sent that. Why would SHE pick the roommate of all people :) i too think she was murderd
If she shot herself she would have gun shot residue on her hand. I'm pretty sure she wouldn't decide to kill herself in someone else's bed at a random hour of the night. I don't consider texts and journal entries hardcore proof of her suicide. Her bf could have killed her and then sent those texts from her phone.
The fact that the bf lied in his initial call to 911, the scratch marks he had, and the fact he admitted to being extremely drunk makes me think he is guilty as hell. That being said, I hope her parents sue the fuck out if the police department.
"The love for all living creatures is the most noble attribute of man" -Charles Darwin
Originally Posted by bowieluva
Yep...a little TOO fabricated. Another example of system fail
i am assuming Molly's dad, Larry, is getting this information from the ISP investigation files.
Larry Young
Richie's phone would not communicate with the UFED device used by the ISP or the FBI to extract records that may have been deleted such as texts,data and phone call logs. Molly's phone had been set to GMT time which is 5 hours different than CST. In other words it appears someone tampered with the phones.
It always amazes me when people go to great lengths to create a story....like switching the time zone on her phone THEN sending a text ...but fuck themselves by FORGETTING to set it back correctly.Larry Young
Richie's phone would not communicate with the UFED device used by the ISP or the FBI to extract records that may have been deleted such as texts,data and phone call logs. Molly's phone had been set to GMT time which is 5 hours different than CST. In other words it appears someone tampered with the phones.
another post from Larry today:
Larry Young
The Illinois State Police arrived at the Carbondale police station at around 10:00 AM March 24, 2012. Richie Minton REFUSED to sign a consent form for the ISP to search his apartment. . At approximately 4:09 PM March 24, 2012 the search warrant was finally obtained to enter Richie Minton's apartment. I have always questioned WHY it took 7 hours to obtain search warrants and WHY Richie Minton would let Molly lay dead on his bedroom floor and refuse to let ISP enter for 7 hours after the 911 call was made at 9:02 AM. I believe this is as cold hearted as a human being can get!!!
http://www.carbondaletimes.com/080413young
Carr: Evidence not sufficient in Young case
Submitted by Carbondale Times on Sun, 08/04/2013 - 10:37
Geoffrey Ritter
Weekend Times
CARBONDALE ? The investigation into the 2012 death of Molly Young is now over, according to the Illinois State Police, and there will be no forthcoming criminal charges.
Responding to a Freedom of Information Act request, ISP Lt. Steve Lyddon said requested information regarding the investigation into Young?s death previously had been denied but now would be granted due to the changed status of the case.
?The State?s Attorney from Jackson County has now determined that no charges will be filed and the case is closed,? Lyddon wrote.
Jackson County State?s Attorney Michael Carr clarified that in a statement to the Times this week.
?I have reviewed the evidence in the Molly Young case and have consulted over the past months with the family of Molly Young, the investigators from the Illinois State Police and the lawyers in my office,? Carr said. ?In deciding whether to bring a criminal charge, my role as State?s Attorney is to determine whether there is sufficient admissible evidence to convince 12 out of 12 people, beyond a reasonable doubt, that a criminal offense has been committed.
?I do not close investigations. The admissible evidence available to me through the State Police investigation was publicly disclosed, for the most part, through sworn testimony by State Police officers at the coroner?s inquest months ago. Based upon my review of the evidence at this point, the investigation presented to me has not resulted in sufficient evidence to support a criminal prosecution. I have expressed to both the Illinois State Police and to the family of Molly Young previously that should additional evidence become available, I will consider it.?
The case has drawn a high profile since Young, then 21, was found dead in March 2012 from a bullet wound to her head in the bedroom of her on-and-off boyfriend, Richie Minton.
Minton, a dispatcher for the Carbondale Police Department at the time of the incident and at present, told first responders that morning that he slept through the gunshot. Minton and his roommate first reported Young?s death several hours later in a 911 call initially identifying the death as the result of an overdose.
Investigators were unable to identify any fingerprints on the .45-caliber pistol belonging to Minton that fired the shot, and they found no signs of gunshot residue on the hands of Minton or Young. ISP records say that Carbondale Police, the first responders to the scene, allowed Minton to change his clothes and wash his hands before going to the police department for questioning. Police that morning also found a pair of fresh scratches on Minton?s back, which he said he must have gotten while administering CPR to Young.
In January, a coroner?s jury heard evidence from ISP, as well as a detailed account of Young?s journals and an undated suicide letter. Investigators also discussed a series of text messages sent from Young?s phone in the hours preceding her death detailing attempts to overdose on pills, including one indicating she planned to shoot herself in the head. Toxicology showed no abnormal levels of drugs in her system, and the jury ultimately ruled the nature of her death undetermined due to a lack of evidence.
Minton?s attorney and his mother and father, a longtime employee of the Franklin County Sheriff?s Office, arrived at the police station that morning before ISP investigators. Since that morning, Minton has declined to be interviewed by ISP investigators, and he also has declined to comment following past requests by the Times. However, in a public Facebook post last month, he addressed growing questions surrounding the circumstances of Young?s death.
?I keep from defending myself in the hope that she gets even a moment of peace in her rest,? Minton wrote. ?One side is dead set on her being remembered as a victim of murder and will do anything to put themselves in the public eye because of it. The other side wants her remembered for who she was and the memories she left. I don?t care what people think of me. I care about what they think of her. The people she hated the most are the ones begging for people?s sympathy.?
In recent weeks, a Facebook group called ?Justice For Molly? has grown to include almost 13,000 members, many of them joining on the heels of two radio programs broadcast on the AM radio station WGGH and news reports regarding Minton?s hand washing and scratches. The closed group allows members to add their Facebook friends.
Young?s father, Larry Young, says he remains convinced his daughter?s death was not the result of suicide, and the group first organized by his family last year is now orchestrating a distribution of yard signs, bracelets, T-shirts and other items aimed at raising awareness of Young?s story. Members also are planning protests and billboard displays and are reaching out to national media outlets.
Larry Young says he will continue to fight for answers he says his family never received following his daughter?s death.
?I am not seeking justice because I want to,? Young said. ?I am seeking justice because I have to. Molly won?t rest in peace until her family and friends rest in peace. Injustice to one is injustice to all.?
I really get the feeling this dude got away with murder.
Agree
WSIL's video concerning no charges
http://www.wsiltv.com/news/local/Jac...218432981.html
Disclosure News article from today, i can't paste it here. Kind of interesting read w/pictures of Richie's "support group" - Just Us For Richie. Which apparently is his mom, dad and sister.
http://www.disclosurenewsonline.com/...wing-steadily/
I was just about to post this. Disclosure is Southern Illinois' "underground" newspaper. They are dedicated to exposing corruption and cover-ups, of which there are many here, unfortunately. Jack and Ang are a thorn in the side of many local LE and government agencies. :) I've seen some posts about this case on their FB page, but hadn't really looked into it yet.
Here is a list of articles on the Disclosure website related to Molly Young. You may not be able to see them all, as some are only for subscribers. I was going to find one to post but there are lots of them.
http://www.disclosurenewsonline.com/...+young&x=0&y=0
This podcast of theirs following the inquest is pretty informative. They give up a lot of stuff that was said/happened during the inquest that the rest of the news never talked about.
http://www.disclosurenewsonline.com/...or-audio-only/
That's kind of their thing. They report the news that mainstream media won't publish.
right. i was surprised about the receipt for the abortion pill they found, and how they apparently tried to make a deal out of it at the inquest.
KMOV News 4 in St. Louis has picked up the story.
Woot! I am glad that they decided to run with her story. It has SO MANY inconsistencies.
I hope that when the world comes to an end, I can breathe a sigh of relief, because there will be so much to look forward to. - Donnie Darko
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