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    The Death Penalty in action - issues updates and the ongoing debate

    There are so many facets to this conversation, there are entire sites dedicated to the Death penalty and the issues surrounding it. To me, I find it fascinating ( morbidly so, of course) that on a certain date and time, a person will be killed. I follow a few sites closely that update on upcoming executions throughout the US, details of the crime, etc.

    This site-
    http://people.smu.edu/rhalperi/pending.html
    Keeps an ongoing vigil posted for all execution dates upcoming, and the possibility they will be carried out as scheduled.

    This site is also pretty thorough ( although at times poorly written) about case summaries and lists executions and their resolution.
    http://www.prodeathpenalty.com/links2.htm
    http://www.prodeathpenalty.com/Pending/13/jul13.htm

    Ive been stuck on the case of Vaughn Ross, who murdered his girlfriend's sister and an esteemed Dean at Texas Tech. The details of the case make it pretty clear the guy was engaged in some sort of illicit engagement when he was murdered, along with this 18 year old. It was not easy to find any source that would address this though!!
    Not to mention, I find it weird and creepy that a college professor would be caught with teenage prostitutes. It opens up so many other issues.
    The defense seemed to get slammed shut when they tried to address this guy's proclivities, and how that may have provided an alternative theory for the murder ( though it does seem pretty clear this clown did it).
    It is amazing to me that this guy is going to sleep every night knowing he will be dead in 6 days. I cant quite wrap my head around that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monter View Post
    It is amazing to me that this guy is going to sleep every night knowing he will be dead in 6 days. I cant quite wrap my head around that.
    I always find this part of the Death Penalty fascinating. I can't even begin to imagine what it must be like to know exactly what day and time you will die. I don't understand how anyone continues to function whilst knowing this information

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    Quote Originally Posted by leapfreak View Post
    I always find this part of the Death Penalty fascinating. I can't even begin to imagine what it must be like to know exactly what day and time you will die. I don't understand how anyone continues to function whilst knowing this information
    Right?? My bias is showing but I truly cannot imagine being able to condemn someone to death. In good conscience. I have never ever been that sure of anything in my life!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by leapfreak View Post
    I always find this part of the Death Penalty fascinating. I can't even begin to imagine what it must be like to know exactly what day and time you will die. I don't understand how anyone continues to function whilst knowing this information
    I've always been kind of fascinated by those notorious killers that have gone to the death chamber.
    Ever since Monster came out, I've been interested in Aileen Wuornos. She was crazy.
    Here's a video of her the day before she was executed.



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    Quote Originally Posted by M Joy View Post
    I've always been kind of fascinated by those notorious killers that have gone to the death chamber.
    Ever since Monster came out, I've been interested in Aileen Wuornos. She was crazy.
    Here's a video of her the day before she was executed.


    The video is blocked for the UK. I kept meaning to watch Monster and never got around to it

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    Quote Originally Posted by leapfreak View Post
    The video is blocked for the UK. I kept meaning to watch Monster and never got around to it
    if you google "Aileen Wuornos crazy" there are several of the same video that is approx 7 min long.
    charlize theron was brilliant playing her. But I'm going Off topic sorry

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    Quote Originally Posted by M Joy View Post
    if you google "Aileen Wuornos crazy" there are several of the same video that is approx 7 min long.
    charlize theron was brilliant playing her. But I'm going Off topic sorry
    No way I think that is absolutely on topic!!
    This guy Marshall Gore just received a stay of execution because he could be considered insane, and someone declared insane at the time of exectution can not be executed. Who can look at some of these guys, like Wuornos and not see how completely out of the mind she was!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by M Joy View Post
    if you google "Aileen Wuornos crazy" there are several of the same video that is approx 7 min long.
    charlize theron was brilliant playing her. But I'm going Off topic sorry
    I found one. Thank you. She does sound crazy and it's totally not off topic. It's fascinating to watch a video of someone the day before their execution

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    Quote Originally Posted by leapfreak View Post
    I always find this part of the Death Penalty fascinating. I can't even begin to imagine what it must be like to know exactly what day and time you will die. I don't understand how anyone continues to function whilst knowing this information
    It's a luxury their victims didn't have.
    And they get to pass away quietly while sleeping, not begging for their life while being bludgeoned to death.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron_NYC View Post
    It's a luxury their victims didn't have.
    And they get to pass away quietly while sleeping, not begging for their life while being bludgeoned to death.
    Yes. I think it is too humane for them. It costs more and why do they deserve to never suffer again?

    I'm not for it but I am for worse prisons for hardcore criminals.


    Wournos is fascinating. Her crazy is so crazy she's was almost sane.

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    TERRE HAUTE, Ind. ? The United States on Thursday carried out its second federal execution this week, killing by lethal injection a Kansas man whose lawyers contended he had dementia and was unfit to be executed.

    Wesley Ira Purkey was put to death at the Federal Correctional Complex in Terre Haute, Indiana. Purkey was convicted of kidnapping and killing a 16-year-old girl before dismembering, burning and dumping her body in a septic pond. He also was convicted in a state court in Kansas after using a claw hammer to kill an 80-year-old woman who had polio.

    Purkey expressed remorse right before he was executed.

    ?I deeply regret the pain and suffering I caused to Jennifer?s family,? he said. ?I am deeply sorry. I deeply regret the pain I caused to my daughter, who I love so very much. This sanitized murder really does not serve no purpose whatsoever.?

    His time of death was 8:19 a.m. EDT.

    The Supreme Court cleared the way for the execution to take place just hours before, ruling in a 5-4 decision. The four liberal justices dissented, like they did for the first case earlier this week.

    Justice Sonia Sotomayor wrote that ?proceeding with Purkey?s execution now, despite the grave questions and factual findings regarding his mental competency, casts a shroud of constitutional doubt over the most irrevocable of injuries.? She was joined by fellow liberal justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Stephen Breyer and Elena Kagan.

    It was the federal government?s second execution after a 17-year hiatus. Another man, Daniel Lewis Lee, was put to death Tuesday after his 11th hour legal bids failed.

    Both executions were delayed into the day after they were scheduled as legal wrangling continued late into the night and into the next morning.

    The Justice Department has been questioned for holding the executions in the middle of the worsening coronavirus pandemic, prompting lawsuits over fears those who would travel to the prison could become infected. The decision to resume executions after nearly two decades was criticized as a dangerously political move in an election year forcing an issue that is not high on the list of American priorities considering the 11% unemployment rate and the pandemic.

    Purkey?s lawyers had argued his condition had deteriorated so severely that he didn?t understand why he was being executed. They said he was repeatedly sexually assaulted as a child and had been diagnosed with schizophrenia, bipolar disorder and other mental health conditions.

    The issue of Purkey?s mental health arose in the run-up to his 2003 trial and when, after the verdict, jurors had to decide whether he should be put to death in the killing of 16-year-old Jennifer Long in Kansas City, Missouri. Prosecutors said he raped and stabbed her, dismembered her with a chainsaw, burned her and dumped her ashes 200 miles (320 kilometers) away in a septic pond in Kansas. Purkey was separately convicted and sentenced to life in the beating death of 80-year-old Mary Ruth Bales, of Kansas City, Kansas.

    Purkey had a long history of childhood trauma, was sexually abused by family members and a Catholic priest and was beaten by other family members, said Liz Vartkessian, a mitigation specialist who worked with Purkey?s legal team and visited him dozens of times in the last five years.

    ?His case is replete with instances where he has expressed a deep remorse,? she said in an interview earlier this month.

    But recently, Purkey?s mental health had seriously deteriorated to the point he didn?t have the stamina for long visits with his legal team and often forgot key facts and dates, she said.

    Correction officers had to help him write down a schedule to remember his visits with his lawyers, she said.

    He also had a long history of paranoia and delusions and believed the Justice Department was moving forward with his execution because of many complaints and lawsuits he brought in prison, even though most had failed, Vartkessian said.

    On Wednesday, U.S. District Judge Tanya Chutkan in Washington, D.C., imposed two injunctions prohibiting the federal Bureau of Prisons from moving forward with Purkey?s execution. The Justice Department filed immediate appeals in both cases. A separate temporary stay had already been place from the 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.

    Chutkan didn't rule on whether Purkey was mentally competent but said the court needed to evaluate the claim, saying he would suffer ?irreparable harm? if he was put to death before the issue could be evaluated by the court.

    The legal questions of whether Purkey was mentally fit to stand trial or to be sentenced to die are different from the question of whether he is mentally fit enough now to be put to death.

    In a landmark 1986 decision, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the Constitution prohibits putting someone to death who lacks a reasonable understanding of why he is being executed. It involved the case of Alvin Ford, who was convicted of murder but whose mental health deteriorated behind bars to the point where, according to his lawyer, he believed he was pope.

    Last week, three mental health organizations urged U.S. Attorney William Barr to stop Purkey?s execution and commute his sentence to life in prison without possibility of parole. The letter ? signed by the National Alliance on Mental Illness, Mental Health America and the Treatment Advocacy Center ? said that executing mentally ailing individuals like Purkey ?constitutes cruel and unusual punishment and does not comport with ?evolving standards of decency.??

    The mother of the teen he killed, Glenda Lamont, told the Kansas City Star last year she planned to attend the execution.

    ?I don?t want to say that I?m happy,? Lamont said. ?At the same time, he is a crazy mad man that doesn?t deserve, in my opinion, to be breathing anymore.?

    The Supreme Court also lifted a hold placed on other executions set for Friday and next month.

    Dustin Honken, a drug kingpin from Iowa convicted of killing five people in a scheme to silence former dealers, was scheduled for execution Friday.

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    IOWA CITY, Iowa — A ruthless Iowa meth kingpin who killed five people, including two young girls, in 1993 to thwart his prosecution for drug trafficking is set to become the third federal inmate to be executed this week.

    Dustin Honken, 52, would become the first Iowa defendant to be put to death since 1963 if he is executed as scheduled on Friday. Iowa abolished the death penalty in 1965, but federal prosecutors sought to execute Honken for killing government informants and children.
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    Honken is set to die by lethal injection at the prison in Terre Haute, Indiana, where he's been on death row since 2005 and two other men have been put to death since Tuesday after a 17-year hiatus in federal executions. His appeals to delay the execution have so far been denied.

    “He does deserve what he’s getting. I can tell you that. He deserved it a long time ago,” said Susan Torres, 54, who plans to attend the execution with other victims' relatives.

    Torres, who lives in Des Moines, Iowa, was Lori Duncan's sister-in-law before her brother and Duncan split up and she was an aunt to Duncan's daughters, 10-year-old Kandi and 6-year-old Amber. Duncan, her new boyfriend, Greg Nicholson, and her daughters were kidnapped and killed by Honken and his girlfriend in 1993, which was seven years before their bodies were found.

    Mark Bennett, the federal judge who oversaw Honken’s trial, said he generally opposes the death penalty, but that if anyone deserved to be executed, it was Honken. He said Honken’s crimes were reprehensible and that Honken had a fair legal process, including talented lawyers who “did an outstanding job with virtually nothing to work with."

    “I am not going to lose any sleep if he is executed,” said Bennett, who has since retired from the bench. “Normally I would, but the evidence was so overwhelming.”

    Honken grew up in the northern Iowa town of Britt as the bright but devious son of an alcoholic father who was convicted of robbing banks.


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    Honken was dealing marijuana and cocaine by the early 1990s, and he began cooking meth after studying chemistry at a community college. He and a friend moved to Arizona to produce the drug in the hopes of getting rich, and they distributed their product through two dealers based in Mason City, Iowa.

    Nicholson, who was one of the dealers, began cooperating with investigators in 1993 after coming under suspicion. Honken was arrested and indicted for conspiring to manufacture meth after Nicholson secretly recorded Honken and testified before a grand jury.

    Honken informed the court that he would plead guilty. But days before his July 1993 plea hearing, he and his girlfriend, Angela Johnson, went searching for Nicholson. They found him at the home where he had moved in Duncan and her daughters.

    Duncan didn't know that Nicholson was an informant and she wasn't involved in drugs, said Torres, whose daughters were playmates with Duncan's girls.

    “She was a very sweet innocent person that happened to be put in a bad situation,” she told The Associated Press on Wednesday by phone.

    According to prosecutors, Johnson posed as a cosmetics saleswoman to get into the house. Honken forced Nicholson, 34, to record a statement declaring Honken innocent of the drug charges.

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    Nicholson and the Duncans were taken to a remote area, fatally shot and buried. Honken withdrew his guilty plea and gave his lawyer the videotape of Nicholson.

    As the investigation into Honken continued, Honken's other dealer, 32-year-old Terry DeGeus, disappeared months after Nicholson and the Duncans did. Johnson lured DeGeus, whom she dated before Honken, to a property where Honken beat him with a bat and shot him.

    Investigators found the bodies of Nicholson and the Duncans in 2000 in a wooded area outside Mason City after Johnson was duped into giving a hand-drawn map showing where they were buried to a jailhouse informant. The adults had been bound and gagged and shot multiple times. The girls had each been shot once in the back of the head. DeGeus’ body was found a few miles away, his skull fractured.

    Bennett said the girls were still in their swimsuits when they were kidnapped on the hot summer day. “It’s just horrific how they were massacred,” the judge said.

    Honken was convicted of the killings in 2004 in a trial that featured extraordinary security measures, including an anonymous jury. Honken was bolted to the floor of the courtroom and wore a stun belt under his clothing to prevent escape attempts.

    The jury recommended that Honken be put to death for the girls' slayings, and Bennett agreed.

    The girls' father, John Duncan, who had pushed for years to have Honken executed, died in 2018 of stomach cancer.

    “He was very sad when he knew he was passing because he wasn’t going to see this happen,” Torres said. “We assured him we would be there."

    Johnson was convicted in a separate trial and sentenced to death. Bennett later reduced her punishment to life behind bars, which she's currently serving at a federal prison in Minnesota.

    Honken did not respond to an interview request sent last year after the government announced its plans to execute him.

    Honken has two children — one with Johnson and one with another woman — and was a father figure to a third. He wrote in a 2006 journal that he felt a “great crushing weight of despair” for failing them.

    “When those people finally get around to killing me they’ll realize only the shell of me remains, the heart of me died long ago," he wrote.

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    I'm for the death penalty when there are compliant witnesses, no signs of mental illness, and given a fair trial.

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    I'm against the death penalty. There is no perfect justice system and I think 1 innocent person being executed is 1 too many. I just don't get the whole eye-for-an-eye thing. I think sentences should be long. The one issue we have here in the UK is that our sentences are too short. Life should mean life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leapfreak View Post
    I'm against the death penalty. There is no perfect justice system and I think 1 innocent person being executed is 1 too many. I just don't get the whole eye-for-an-eye thing. I think sentences should be long. The one issue we have here in the UK is that our sentences are too short. Life should mean life.
    It's impossible to say what anyone would really do in that situation, but as far as I know, if someone intentionally hurts someone I love, I would want blood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cap-n Meow View Post
    It's impossible to say what anyone would really do in that situation, but as far as I know, if someone intentionally hurts someone I love, I would want blood.
    I agree. I've luckily never been in a position where I've had to face something like that. My opinion could easily changed if someone did something to someone I love.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cap-n Meow View Post
    It's impossible to say what anyone would really do in that situation, but as far as I know, if someone intentionally hurts someone I love, I would want blood.
    I would too- no doubt. But should it be state sanctioned for that reason?
    If someone hurt my child I would gladly go to jail for the opportunity to destroy them. I don't think the DP is the answer.(personally). I think it brutalizes everyone further, and society in general.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cap-n Meow View Post
    It's impossible to say what anyone would really do in that situation, but as far as I know, if someone intentionally hurts someone I love, I would want blood.
    Agreed! I will not bring up a certain thread but sometimes the DP is justified. Especially if the crime is brutal beyond comprehension. I remember when Bundy got executed, that was when I really started supporting the DP. I lived in Florida at the time and restaurants were selling Bundy fries.


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    Quote Originally Posted by faq_q View Post
    Agreed! I will not bring up a certain thread but sometimes the DP is justified. Especially if the crime is brutal beyond comprehension. I remember when Bundy got executed, that was when I really started supporting the DP. I lived in Florida at the time and restaurants were selling Bundy fries.
    Bring it up! I think specific cases illustrate the issues really well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monter View Post
    Bring it up! I think specific cases illustrate the issues really well.
    I was debating whether or not to bring up the Jodi thread too. But it is relevant!
    I've generally been against the DP for the reason that to me it appears too easy of a punishment. An easy death for someone that caused so much pain and anguish to the victim(s) and their families.
    In the Jodi case, since the victim's family wants the DP so much I have supported that stance as well.
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    It is sick, but I look up the pending executions and try to find the backstories on these people . There was one scheduled for today at 6pm, but it was stayed. It is just odd - there is no other circumstance where a person can say "By 601pm, I will be dead". Creeps me the hell out.
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    Where I live (in Canada) there are three prisons, one male provincial, one female provincial, and mixed federal. A Lot of my family has worked in the correctional system,I personally couldn't work in one. I know after listening to my mom, who has worked at the female center for 30 years, these people all have a story whether we want to hear it or not. I think its a waste to just put them to death if we are not going to learn something from them, ya know?

    My husbands cousin was murdered in May. I know how I felt about the man that did it, I would never judge someone who is for or against the D.P. Luckily it's not something I have to come to terms with. I just think it's a waist not to learn something from each case that can help further on in other cases.

    Thanks for starting this thread Monter.


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    I'm pretty wishy-washy on the DP. I can tell you, from personal experience, that many people support it more when it's their loved one that is the victim. I would have had no guilt if Ryan was given the death penalty. I've heard so many people say, "I couldn't support it, even if it was my child killed." To be honest, that bothers me. Those people have no idea and it's pretty ballsy to say how they would or wouldn't feel in that situation.

    But.... The idea of the death penalty still feels morally wrong. I heard the stupidest argument for it on one of those "Women that kill" shows. This one guy said, "The death penalty protects the sanctity of life." Are you for real?

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    Has anyone here done any reading on the Innocence Project?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sneakers the Wonder Dog View Post
    Has anyone here done any reading on the Innocence Project?
    What is that Sneaks?


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