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Thread: Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death (Part II)

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    Those final questions from the jury have me thinking they aren't buying Stabby's it was The Fog story, she couldn't have been in The Fog if she was selective about WHAT she deleted from the camera![/QUOTE]


    There's something that's been niggling at the back of my mind since I first heard some photos were still on the card, while the one's from that day were deleted. We've already heard it was a new camera. 90 photos is a lot for a camera that was first used the date of it's owner's murder. It's really making me wonder if the memory card had been around for a while.

    Having a house full of kids has led to me having a few memory card deletion disasters of my own. Something that's happened a number of times, is that we buy a new camera & suddenly one of the kids say they HAVE to use the camera NOW. So they rush off & accidentally put in an old memory card, with photos from an old camera, into the new camera. It takes the photos fine & it's only when you start paging back through them that you realise there's older stuff on it. You don't realise because you can SEE the earlier photos. Each one of the older photos comes up as a black screen with an incompatibility message. You can't see the older photos, you CAN'T DELETE the older photos, unless you put the card back into the camera they were taken on. When you do that, you then can't see or delete the newer photos.

    Someone mentioned earlier that it's a simple thing to delete the whole card with one click of the "delete all" button. That's true. We've lost a lot of photos that way & it's very easy to do unintentionally if you're rushing with a new camera. Sometimes the cards will be compatible across more than 1 camera, but only if they're the same make & even that's no guarantee. If you had an old memory card& you used it in a new camera, it's entirely possible you could hit delete all & only delete the pix taken on the new camera.

    This is just a thought. Obviously if these 90 photos are viewable on Travis' camera, or an undamaged one identical to his, then this isn't what happened. But if those 90 photos won't come up on his camera or one like it? Then Jodi could've accidentally/intentionally deleted every photo taken that day with one press of a button - not the complicated drama described. & those 90 photos could've stayed on that card waiting for a compatible device before they could be seen. Who fucking knows though. You'd think our little "photographer" would be aware of this with all her experience??

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    Eeeek. PoppyC you scared me! It's 1.39am here. I'm alone in the dark. I flipped onto this page & Aileen's eyes were perfectly lined up across the bottom of my tablet screen, life-size & inches from my face.

    Laughing at how badly I just jumped. Well...I'm wide awake again now!!

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    This is O/T

    Does anyone know whether there has been any more negative fall-out professionally for ALV? Wasn't she excommunicated from one of the DV professional associations?

    Her testimony in this trial surely destroyed her credibility as an expert witness in the DV arena.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ImBatman! View Post
    BPD meltdowns are a horrendous thing to watch. I have seen a few in my time.
    BPD, sure, I can see that, but I'm sticking with Psycho ; )
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    Quote Originally Posted by DenverClipper View Post
    This is O/T

    Does anyone know whether there has been any more negative fall-out professionally for ALV? Wasn't she excommunicated from one of the DV professional associations?

    Her testimony in this trial surely destroyed her credibility as an expert witness in the DV arena.
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    I find it hilarious that YOU are acting all high and mighty toward us when you're posting on here just like anyone else and in addition, defending a murderer. A child murderer, at that. Go fuck a Popsicle.

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    Regarding JA possibly losing it .... I did think that Jenny was really overly attentive to JA yesterday. She was turned facing JA more than observing the witness or the jury. I got the sense that Wilmott though her client was shaky yesterday and ready to blow.

    How likely is it that the defense will prevail on their motions to preclude today? The judge can't hinder the prosecution to that degree could she?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockabillychick View Post
    I don't get that line of questioning with her. I honestly don't. He was trying to act all sensitive but came off as a complete douchenozzle.
    There is a lot of where he goes with his questions that I don't understand to be honest.
    Nurmi went there, jmo, with explicit instructions from Stabby. She took everything about herself and projected it onto Deanna. The irony of Stabby calling someone else "emotionally unstable" and a "stalker", "jealous" I hope was not lost on the jury

    Quote Originally Posted by NCBlonde View Post
    I totally missed this. Looking around now, but I can't find anything, yet. I can certainly understand him having an angry response to someone repeatedly slashing tires. I'm sure though, this was just the culmination of her other intrusions, like showing up uninvited and whatnot.
    Slashing his tires, hacking his accounts, sending emails/tests to the other women in his life, lying to the Hughes' and so on and so on

    Quote Originally Posted by Freaktab View Post
    That is hilarious!
    What did we do before the Internet?
    Sigh. We had lives.

    Quote Originally Posted by NCBlonde View Post
    With regards to the remaining witnesses, did someone say that one was another computer expert? What could he testify to that the guy today couldn't? And did we ever hear about whether they got anything off Jodi's smashed hard drive?
    Robert Browning is the computer guy we are hoping to hear from and hopefully it relates to stuff pulled off her smashed hard drive. Did we ever hear as to when exactly she smashed her hard drive?

    Quote Originally Posted by PopRocks View Post
    jodi looked insane on a few occasions today, it was pretty creepy


    That's insult to the truly insane She's a freak of nature. She's missing a chip in her hard drive.

    Quote Originally Posted by ImBatman! View Post
    I will personally escort anyone who uses these phrases off my property!!
    Sneaks...tequila is good!!
    Tequila is always good...except for when it's bad!

    Quote Originally Posted by songbirdsong View Post
    Oral arguments are the best kind, but they still violate the Law of Chastity.
    LMFAO!

    Quote Originally Posted by TeamRenew View Post
    Anyway, the WalMart testimony and subsequent inability for the defense team to counter was terrific.
    Nurmi is weird & creepy as shit, and his line of questioning for Deanna was repulsive. The entire defense team lacks an ounce of class. Jodi Arias is completely fucked. Good.
    Stabby didn't look to happy when Nurmi said he had no questions for the Wal-Mart witness. That's the lie that's going to convict her of premeditation. It will be interesting to see if the defense even acknowledges the lie/gas cans in their closing argument.

    Quote Originally Posted by NCBlonde View Post
    Someone from WS said that, at one point, Jodi was using her pencil to fill in her eyebrows? I totally did not see that.



    For your, uh, entertainment? This entry from the Pull a Whacky Theory Out of Your Ass dept.

    http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/04/22/j...ge-1/#comments
    Quote Originally Posted by NCBlonde View Post
    I'm open to different theories, but none of that article made sense to me. And it was all presented as if it was fact.
    Blink is on . She makes a lot of wild unsubstantiated claims about all kinds of cases.

    Quote Originally Posted by DenverClipper View Post
    Deanna was a very personal witness and she did a good job for Travis on the stand yesterday. I am impressed. It's a shame they didn't work it out.

    For those interested, I found this on another site. It's the eulogy Deanna read at Travis funeral. It will make you cry.

    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...ilebasic?pli=1
    Deanna Reid was the epitome of grace and dignity yesterday. I hope she lives the rest of her life in peace and happiness.

    Quote Originally Posted by Justice11 View Post
    Any ideas on what we may expect today?

    More rebuttal witnesses from prosecution?
    Sur-rebuttal from defense?
    Closing statements?
    Followed by quick deliberation and guilty verdict? (I can dream, right?)
    The defense is going to fight it tooth and nail but I am at this point expecting to see more rebuttal witnesses from JM today. Can't see how the defense can stop JM from presenting a full rebuttal. Putting Stabby on the stand opened up a lot of stuff as did putting their own computer expert up.

    Quote Originally Posted by NCBlonde View Post
    1. She didn't want him to tell her no, don't come. He could've locked the door and kept her out if he knew she was on her way. He could've left the house. This way, he had no choice but to deal with her if she turned up standing behind him in his office.

    2. I think she didn't want to risk Travis telling anyone that she would be in town. She did a lot of premeditated things to create alibis and cover her tracks, I think she would not have mentioned the trip to Travis, in case he would remark to one of his friends -- or at least his roommates -- that she was coming over.

    The one reporter guy for the Arizona Republic claims that Det. Flores will be back on the stand today, to testify about the shelves in Travis' closet. But I'll believe it when I see it.
    Completely agree with 1. and 2.. Flores and another detective actually went to TA's former home and performed weight tests on the shelves and documented it with either photographs or video. Stabby opened the door on that and I can't see how the defense could keep it out. JM had no way of knowing what Stabby would say when she was on the stand so it wasn't possible for them to test this previously. The fact that defense is fighting it coming in tells us it will be very damning for Stabby.

    Quote Originally Posted by Metis212 View Post
    Jodi's financial situation was a mess from the time she moved to Mesa right up to her arrest. A few things are predictable when a house goes into foreclosure. The bank demands the total mortgage. This triggers other creditors to jack up interest fees. If she stopped paying on her cards and car note, they start the process to recover their money. Remember that Jodi didnt have a job for most of the time she lived in Mesa. When she did have a job, it was minimum wage. If you didn't know better, one might think she moved to Mesa to escape her financial obligations and rely on Travis.

    Shit started to flow downhill in early april with the penultimate decision to return to Yreka. That decision was based on $. Then the BMW snafu happened and she was MORE in debt. Seems to me that she started to plan how to ruin Travis's love life then. By late may, without Jodi being there to manipulate him, Travis slowly became aware of her deviant behavior(s). He didn't come to visit her as promised and canceled twice. His excuse was he didn't have money! Her "hold" on him was slipping and once he told her he was finished with her...the death sentence was signed.
    Her financial situation was troubled before she ever made the decision to move to Mesa. She was putting her 3k mortgage payments on her credit card. Her decision to go back to Yreka was forced upon her by her dire financial situation and the fact that TA was pulling away from her and with him went his friends. She spoke/speaks of only one friend of her own in Mesa(Rachel, who booted her out), the rest were all TA's friends. I believe that when she pulled out of Mesa to go back to Yreka is when she started plotting to kill TA.

    Quote Originally Posted by dizzyp View Post
    I'd put it in the top 10 JA Trial quotes (but there are so many)

    Juan Martinez: "There appears to be something blondish or white on his lap, who is that?"
    I thought he said "There appears to be something blondish or white on his lap, WHAT is that?"

    Quote Originally Posted by wasthinking View Post
    Dr D testified it was over 'invading his privacy'. However his friend Searle said it was when she hacked into his FB.
    Isn't that the same thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by ShellJett View Post
    My take on the pictures from yesterday's testimony is that there were 90 pictures left on TA's camera that were there before Stabby started snapping away. She only deleted the pictures from June 4th and did not delete those that were already on the camera - presumably taken by TA before June 4th. This was great testimony produced from a Jury question.
    If she was in The FOG how could she selectively delete photos?! Great jury question!

    Quote Originally Posted by blighted star View Post
    It doesn't make much difference, because if this is true, she must have selectively deleted. But it is possible the part about it being a brand new camera & barely used is still true. Just because the camera was new doesn't mean the memory card was??
    Not must have, she did. This is the Anti Fogger.

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    I keep on waiting for her to jump up and test out her stun belt.
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    Oh how I wish she would!
    Don't we all?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellaboo View Post
    Regarding JA possibly losing it .... I did think that Jenny was really overly attentive to JA yesterday. She was turned facing JA more than observing the witness or the jury. I got the sense that Wilmott though her client was shaky yesterday and ready to blow.

    How likely is it that the defense will prevail on their motions to preclude today? The judge can't hinder the prosecution to that degree could she?
    I'm imagining all the other hearings where Nurmi has asked for a mistrial and has been subsequently denied. I imagine today's hearing will go in a similar fashion. If the prosecution has legit rebuttal material, they should be able to show it to the jury.
    Nurmi is the guy that tried to get in the zoomed Travis eye photo and he wants to prevent testimony about shelves that would collapse under weight? Ok.
    I have a feeling they will get their surrebuttal for sure though, especially if the judge allows the rebuttal testimony today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metis212 View Post
    All of this leads me to believe her diagnosis is a cluster B soup (BPD, sociopathy, narcissistic) and we gotta throw in pinch of passive-dependent traits.
    I've always found Dr D spot on re Jodi. Similar to what you are saying.


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    Quote Originally Posted by wasthinking View Post
    Actually, it wasn't a 'log in' time. Melendez said 4:54 pm was the last activity on the computer from what he could attribute to "a user". Being the Einstein he is, he couldn't evnn say what that actiivty was. Sadly, I think AZ has a not so smart / experienced employee with Melendez. He comes across as a standard government employee that trained on how to use a software program is about all.
    He stated the reason some photos were thumbnails is because the regular files had been overwritten. Considering there were no traces of ANY other photos that id overwrite afer the killing, I'd love him to explain what he thinks overwrote anything. He also had difficulty keeping the date times straight. On first testimony he told JM first he didn't know what put the red date/time stamp on the photos, then said it came from Encase, then told Willmott he had no idea. Then vouched for Willmott that the pics were taken by someone, not by using the timer. No we / he could 'guess' at this, but he doesn't know that enough to literally vouch it for Willmott giving her what she wanted.

    IMO, it's obvious the investigation didn't look very much into elctronic paths for this case.
    I don't get WHY they didn't, being the camera evidence was a HUGE part of the case. Only found out yesterday from the only Jury question that there were 90 or so photos on the camera and that only 'some' were deleted (being JA selectively deleting her pics, which I thought was kina important?) ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lorizfree View Post
    That's exactly what I was worried about at the end of trial yesterday. We know that the defense wants to keep out the information regarding the closet shelves. I still think one of them is Matt McCartney. At least it looks like it'll be televised.
    This is just my opinion, but geez it seems with all the info kept out and all the objections approved and all the sidebars and motions....on and on and on, I am thinking JM has done such a great job despite all the obstacles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poppym View Post
    I've always found Dr D spot on re Jodi. Similar to what you are saying.
    Dr. D has really grown on me, I like her.

    I used to not be able to stomach her sounding so much like Schwarzenegger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mochachino View Post
    I don't get WHY they didn't, being the camera evidence was a HUGE part of the case. Only found out yesterday from the only Jury question that there were 90 or so photos on the camera and that only 'some' were deleted (being JA selectively deleting her pics, which I thought was kina important?) ?
    This was brought out in previous testimony, waaaay back in January.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metis212 View Post
    This is why JM is nearly sitting in her lap! I have seen many, many, and more ppl with BPD melt-down. Throwing themselves on the floor of the er screaming, crying, hitting walls and kicking doors. These folks cant self soothe once they are in a melt down state. Lucky for me I was the one with syringe in hand filled with the chemical cocktail able to transmit the message of calm (the f*ck) down. I imagine this will be distasteful for some on the thread, but each and every one would thank me later. End of story.
    It would be soooooo much fun to get a demonstration of how these stun belts work in taking down an out of control inmate (JODI)....inquiring minds want to know! Then you can come in with a few of those syringes, Metis. I can picture you waving to all your fans, just before you stick it Jodi!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poppycock View Post


    I thought she knew about him watching the youtubes because Flores mentioned it to her. I cannot see her going in before Enrique left for work at 6 because an argument could have ensued and alerted him. She may have sat in her rental car until she saw him leave.
    Was there activity showing Travis was up around 3 or 4 AM? When Jodi 'says' she arrived and he was waiting up for her on the computer?

    Could she have snuck in the house knowing the key code and slithered into sleeping Travis' bed in the early AM?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnnieBelle View Post
    It would be soooooo much fun to get a demonstration of how these stun belts work in taking down an out of control inmate (JODI)....inquiring minds want to know! Then you can come in with a few of those syringes, Metis. I can picture you waving to all your fans, just before you stick it Jodi!
    She does have a lot of veins popping out on her arms. Should be an easy stick Metis? Oh we can only wish for a demo!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mochachino View Post
    I don't get WHY they didn't, being the camera evidence was a HUGE part of the case. Only found out yesterday from the only Jury question that there were 90 or so photos on the camera and that only 'some' were deleted (being JA selectively deleting her pics, which I thought was kina important?) ?
    I would have to go back to review Melendez original testimony. But someone here said it was mentioned before that some photos out of a lot were deleted. I have a feeling though, that with Jodi's and others testimony about the Fog, etc, that there was a juror who wanted to bring that up again just to make sure in their mind that there were indeed quite a few photos not deleted from the camera. Just the ones from June 4th were. I think that person doesn't buy the fog story.
    The police report says: "On 6-19-08 I was contacted by Detective M. Melendez about images he located on the memory card found in the digital camera, which was in the washing machine. The digital card had several pictures on it, including some which had been deleted."

    http://wildabouttrial.com/court_docu...gation-report/

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    Quote Originally Posted by *crickets* View Post
    And many of her posts were "LOL" or "haha"...

    Nurmi's cross exam of Deanna was exactly what you would expect from an atty who specializes in defending pedophiles and rapists. Was it really necessary to drag her thru the muck with him and humiliate her in open court to make his point about Travis's different behaviors with Jodi? And why would anyone choose that area to specialize in?

    And I think there were ways he could have undermined the Walmart lady. She went through a stack of receipts the size of a phone book HERSELF...I don't think I've ever seen a witness doing something like that! That's something for LE or the DA's office to do. It must have taken hours if not days. Was she paid for this? Did Walmart at least give her some paid time off? Martinez should take her out for dinner at the very least.

    I think Nurmi at this point just doesn't give a shit anymore. He's looked totally checked-out for weeks, just slouching in his chair collecting that $250/hour and filing motions...
    No need to bash me. Some of those posts I was answering a member's questions. And no, I don't spam.

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    I would like to know why I am being singled out for bad comments on this site? No one singles out other members. It seems to me that Cricket always gets her chance to bash me. You are one of those people who have a superior complex. Get over yourself.

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    Thanks for the link faq_q. I had not seen that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sneakers the Wonder Dog View Post
    This was brought out in previous testimony, waaaay back in January.
    Sorry, I started watching the trial in Feb, but thought I'd seen most of JM's prosecution case witnesses on youtube/elsewhere. Glad to hear it's been mentioned twice now to the jury. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by denn View Post
    I would like to know why I am being singled out for bad comments on this site? No one singles out other members. It seems to me that Cricket always gets her chance to bash me. You are one of those people who have a superior complex. Get over yourself.
    I think you could benefit from using multi-quote but I don't have a problem with your comments.


    Quote Originally Posted by Boston Babe 73 View Post
    I find it hilarious that YOU are acting all high and mighty toward us when you're posting on here just like anyone else and in addition, defending a murderer. A child murderer, at that. Go fuck a Popsicle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by faq_q View Post
    I think you could benefit from using multi-quote but I don't have a problem with your comments.

    I have tried to use it!!! When I think I am using it, the damn thing goes to one comment. I click reply w quote, and then it goes to one damn single comment. I am SOOO frustrated. I do not pay for this site, so I began to think that it must be the reason. ANY help is welcomed.

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