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    Quote Originally Posted by VioletPlanet View Post
    Alyce's fault is not demanding the complete evidence re: Jodi's case from the defense. And if she did and they refused to give it to her...well then, she should not have testified at all.
    Alyce could have and should have interviewed other key people besides JA. That was her decision not to do so because she didn't want to see any differently. She is part and parcel in the defense's dishonest portrayals of JA and TA. She's up to her eyeballs in the all this shit and she helped shovel it there herself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wasthinking View Post
    hey poppym! I'm no shrink on any level, but the woman has her own issues, no doubt in my mind about that. How she even thought trying to work her 'stage' in a courtroom would work for her boggles my mind. But dragging in childhood pals from insecurities was the most surprising to me. I wonder if she drags them to her lectures too.
    This might be the last time ole' Alyce testifies in a DP trial. She probably thought she'd get the usual mundane, boring family law trials which are real snoozers. She was unprepared all the way around. By the time it dawned on her that her bias was showing, she double downed. Not smart. She should have stuck to reports in family court.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VioletPlanet View Post
    I am a troll, really? Why? Because you disagree with me? Because others disagree with me? So this makes me a troll. Please stop insulting and harassing me. I would happily PM you but since you don't allow it, I have no recourse but to defend myself here. Please read the MDS rules and if you don't like what I have to say then CHOOSE ignore. This is the second time I have suggested the IGNORE feature. Please, please use it...if you cannot handle what I have to say. Thanks and God Bless.
    It has nothing to do with not handling what you say. It's that a lot of what you say is baseless and often, just plain wrong. I have every right to point out the errors. If you don't like that, I suggest YOU learn to ignore me. I am not going out of my way to coddle you, sorry. I don't coddle anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wishmich View Post
    I think you're arguing with another man-hater. A certain someone thinks Travis was to blame for his own death; Juan is aggressive, blah blah blah blah blah.

    Maybe Juan should give her a cookie.
    Yes, I know the type. If I am ever murdered, I should blame myself as I should have seen it coming.


    Quote Originally Posted by Boston Babe 73 View Post
    I find it hilarious that YOU are acting all high and mighty toward us when you're posting on here just like anyone else and in addition, defending a murderer. A child murderer, at that. Go fuck a Popsicle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wishmich View Post
    This might be the last time ole' Alyce testifies in a DP trial. She probably thought she'd get the usual mundane, boring family law trials which are real snoozers. She was unprepared all the way around. By the time it dawned on her that her bias was showing, she double downed. Not smart. She should have stuck to reports in family court.
    I sincerely hope she ends up investigated, I think she's a dangerous cancer for her field to have any say in any court.

    Interesting minutes from Friday's court
    4/12/2013

    9:00 a.m. Court convenes in chambers with Defendant, Counsel for the Defendant, Alyce
    LaViolette and Mitigation Specialist present.
    Discussion is held.
    "Justice will not be served until those who are unaffected are as outraged as those who are" --- Benjamin Franklin

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    Quote Originally Posted by VioletPlanet View Post
    You are taking out of context. I never said a psychiatrist was NOT educated in psychotherapy. You quoted " While psychologists and psychiatrists both conduct psychotherapy (but conveniently left out the rest of the quote....."there are significant differences between the two professions. Education, Training, and Credentials."
    yea, the psychiatrist has:Education, Training, and Credentials.
    "The difference between theory and reality is this: In theory, there is no difference between the two. In reality, there is."
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnnieBelle View Post
    Vi, they don't get a degree in psychotherapy. They are licensed to do it.

    This is all I know;


    "Psychiatrist. A psychiatrist is a medical doctor who specializes in preventing, diagnosing, and treating mental illness. A psychiatrist's training starts with four years of medical school and is followed by a one-year internship and at least three years of specialized training as a psychiatric resident. A psychiatrist monitors the effects of mental illness on other physical conditions, such as problems with the heart or high blood pressure.

    Psychologist. A psychologist has a doctoral degree (PhD, PsyD, or EdD) or master's degree in psychology, which is the study of the mind and behaviors. Graduate school provides a psychologist an education in evaluating and treating mental and emotional disorders. After completing graduate school, a psychologist completes an internship that lasts up to two years and provides further training in treatment methods, psychological theory, and behavioral therapy.

    Clinical Social Worker. A clinical social worker has at least a master's degree in social work and training to be able to evaluate and treat mental illnesses. In addition to psychotherapy, social workers can provide case management and hospital discharge planning as well as work as an advocate for patients and their family.

    Psychiatric or Mental Health Nurse. Some nurses have had special training in providing mental health services. Depending on their level of training and certification, they can evaluate patients for mental illness and provide treatment in the form of psychotherapy. In some states, they are also licensed to prescribe and monitor medications. Nurses also provide case-management services and serve as patient advocates.

    Licensed Mental Health Counselor. A psychological counselor is a mental health professional who has a master's degree (MA) in psychology, counseling, or a related field. In order to be licensed, the professional counselor also needs two additional years' experience working with a qualified mental health professional after graduate school. A mental health counselor is qualified to evaluate and treat mental problems by providing counseling or psychotherapy.

    Psychoanalytic or psychodynamic therapies. The idea behind this kind of therapy is that people's lives are affected by subconscious issues and unconscious conflict. The goal of the therapist is to help the person bring those issues to a conscious level where they can be understood and dealt with. This may involve analyzing dreams or exploring a person's personal history.

    Behavioral Therapy. This approach to therapy focuses on learning and behavior in an effort to change unhealthy behavioral patterns. Some therapists try to help patients learn new associations by using a system of reward and punishment to bring about certain behavioral changes. Another approach might involve a controlled series of exposures to a phobia trigger to desensitize a person to an unreasonable fear.

    Cognitive Therapy. The emphasis in cognitive therapy is on a person's thoughts. The idea is that dysfunctional thinking is what leads to dysfunctional emotions or behaviors. The goal is to help the person recognize unhealthy thinking patterns and to recognize and change inaccurate beliefs.

    Humanistic Therapy. This approach to therapy is based on the idea that people are capable of making rational choices and developing their maximum potential. This approach to therapy is often client centered, with the client being seen as the authority on what is going on inside.

    Integrative or Holistic Therapy. This approach relies on integrating multiple approaches to therapy based on the client's individual needs. For instance, cognitive behavioral therapy is a combination of the two individual therapies and focuses on both thought and behavior."

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    Quote Originally Posted by hatchan View Post
    yea, the psychiatrist has:MORE Education, Training, and Credentials.
    oops.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marycontrary View Post
    (Updated) Will Alyce Laviolette Charged With Perjury As An Expert Witness?

    http://tamaratattles.com/2013/04/12/...xpert-witness/

    The writer thinks Alyce will be impeached due to lack of qualifications,bias, inconsistencies and contradictions. Bias is one of the most common strategies for impeaching a witness at trial. This involves demonstrating that the witness is motivated in his testimony by personal gain - actual payment for testifying in that particular case or the hope that testimony in this case will lead to more business as an expert witness. Repeatedly testifying for the same side during trial is also sometimes grounds for impeachment because of bias. Alyce’s testimony could be entirely stricken.

    It's a good read
    This is interesting. Now I understand why Juan begins his cross examination with the expert witnesses the way he does.

    Quote Originally Posted by blighted star View Post
    QUOTE=Brillig;3386019]They are grasping at straws. It isn't witness tampering.
    They could argue that death threats & the sheer size of the onslaught against her is enough to change the manner in which she testifies, simply by causing her to be stressed and/or distracted, couldn't they? Whether you think she deserves every last word of it, none of you really believe she could possibly be completely unaffected by it do you? She's 65 isn't she? That's my mother's age, maybe my mum & her friends are overly dramatic, but they seem to have high blood pressure & multiple other medical dramas when something mildly stressful occurs. I expect death threats & thousands of condemning or abusive emails & ph calls would be more than mildly stressful?

    I think her views came across as antiquated & her manner as difficult & obstructive, but she is testifying at trial. If there's an issue with her claims &/or behaviour, the judge & jury will let her know when the verdict is handed down. If her statements & behaviour on the stand are a serious issue, her professional community, colleagues & clients will deal with that - after & separate to the trial. I do not support her arguments at all but I think this might be bigger than many realise & that it could be even more of an issue for future trials. If this continues as it has been, this trial may become the catalyst for change because the fallout is going to be longlasting. Media classes will study this trial & the huge online response it provoked.

    It makes no difference what she said, how she said it & whether she deserves what is said & done in response to her testimony.The attacks on this defense witness, in this trial will make potential defense witnesses in future trials consider their willingness to testify very, very carefully & some will simply refuse. "So what, killers don't deserve help" many will say, but some defendants are innocent & this will affect the innocent as much as it does the guilty.

    No matter how we feel about the rigid belief system of this particular witness, the massive"backlash" aimed squarely at her HAS to affect the willingness to testify of defense witnesses who come after her. If the defense in this trial WAS intending to call other witnesses after her, do you think they'd be willing to appear after this? Or do you think they'd rather risk being jailed for contempt? (I have no idea if that's an option for reluctant defense witnesses in the U.S, it's just an example of how far some may now be prepared to go, to avoid a similar situation).[/QUOTE]
    Interesting. I do think the public backlash will make judges re-think cameras in the courtroom.

    Quote Originally Posted by PopRocks View Post
    Reading that intro from travis' book, it makes sense why he was attracted to jodi

    Travis was abused by a woman (his mom), so that no doubt probably made him susceptible to be drawn towards someone who treated him the same way

    Being a "DV expert", Alice should have picked up on this fact
    I was surprised at how little thought LaViolette seemed to give to the possible reasons that Travis didn't end it completely with someone he seemed to grow to have true contempt for.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jinkasaurus View Post
    I personally would love to see a moratorium on referencing that site in any way shape or form on this forum......

    I can dream, right?
    Yeah, I really don't understand torturing oneself by visiting the pro-Jodi sight, and then torturing all of us with re-caps from it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jinkasaurus View Post
    This is good- the news story on HOW the news segment with Juan Martinez in it actually originated -

    http://www.azcentral.com/video/2261149720001
    I hate HLN even more now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VioletPlanet View Post
    This is all I know;


    "Psychiatrist. A psychiatrist is a medical doctor who specializes in preventing, diagnosing, and treating mental illness. A psychiatrist's training starts with four years of medical school and is followed by a one-year internship and at least three years of specialized training as a psychiatric resident. A psychiatrist monitors the effects of mental illness on other physical conditions, such as problems with the heart or high blood pressure.

    Psychologist. A psychologist has a doctoral degree (PhD, PsyD, or EdD) or master's degree in psychology, which is the study of the mind and behaviors. Graduate school provides a psychologist an education in evaluating and treating mental and emotional disorders. After completing graduate school, a psychologist completes an internship that lasts up to two years and provides further training in treatment methods, psychological theory, and behavioral therapy.

    Clinical Social Worker. A clinical social worker has at least a master's degree in social work and training to be able to evaluate and treat mental illnesses. In addition to psychotherapy, social workers can provide case management and hospital discharge planning as well as work as an advocate for patients and their family.

    Psychiatric or Mental Health Nurse. Some nurses have had special training in providing mental health services. Depending on their level of training and certification, they can evaluate patients for mental illness and provide treatment in the form of psychotherapy. In some states, they are also licensed to prescribe and monitor medications. Nurses also provide case-management services and serve as patient advocates.

    Licensed Mental Health Counselor. A psychological counselor is a mental health professional who has a master's degree (MA) in psychology, counseling, or a related field. In order to be licensed, the professional counselor also needs two additional years' experience working with a qualified mental health professional after graduate school. A mental health counselor is qualified to evaluate and treat mental problems by providing counseling or psychotherapy.

    Psychoanalytic or psychodynamic therapies. The idea behind this kind of therapy is that people's lives are affected by subconscious issues and unconscious conflict. The goal of the therapist is to help the person bring those issues to a conscious level where they can be understood and dealt with. This may involve analyzing dreams or exploring a person's personal history.

    Behavioral Therapy. This approach to therapy focuses on learning and behavior in an effort to change unhealthy behavioral patterns. Some therapists try to help patients learn new associations by using a system of reward and punishment to bring about certain behavioral changes. Another approach might involve a controlled series of exposures to a phobia trigger to desensitize a person to an unreasonable fear.

    Cognitive Therapy. The emphasis in cognitive therapy is on a person's thoughts. The idea is that dysfunctional thinking is what leads to dysfunctional emotions or behaviors. The goal is to help the person recognize unhealthy thinking patterns and to recognize and change inaccurate beliefs.

    Humanistic Therapy. This approach to therapy is based on the idea that people are capable of making rational choices and developing their maximum potential. This approach to therapy is often client centered, with the client being seen as the authority on what is going on inside.

    Integrative or Holistic Therapy. This approach relies on integrating multiple approaches to therapy based on the client's individual needs. For instance, cognitive behavioral therapy is a combination of the two individual therapies and focuses on both thought and behavior."
    Try reading something other than magazines, like research!
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    Oops... I didn't do the quote tag correctly on blighted star's post. Only the last sentence is my reply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morticia View Post
    Alyce could have and should have interviewed other key people besides JA. That was her decision not to do so because she didn't want to see any differently. She is part and parcel in the defense's dishonest portrayals of JA and TA. She's up to her eyeballs in the all this shit and she helped shovel it there herself.

    I don't believe that... I really blame the defense here. It is clear she was not given all evidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VioletPlanet View Post
    I am a troll, really? Why? Because you disagree with me? Because others disagree with me? So this makes me a troll. Please stop insulting and harassing me. I would happily PM you but since you don't allow it, I have no recourse but to defend myself here. Please read the MDS rules and if you don't like what I have to say then CHOOSE ignore. This is the second time I have suggested the IGNORE feature. Please, please use it...if you cannot handle what I have to say. Thanks and God Bless.
    Sadly, all you do is argue with people....that is why you are not finding many "fans" here. Your posts mean nothing to me.....on occasion, one will be so out there, that I can't help but respond. Feel free to use the ignore feature. :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by hatchan View Post
    Try reading something other than magazines, like research!
    Oh you are right... Thank you for reminding me ....I got the info from the award winning website, WEB MD's Mental Health Center.

    Here are links to all of Web Md's awards.
    http://www.webmd.com/about-webmd-policies/awards

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    Alyce just called. She said she wants VP to take a time out!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saffron View Post
    I hate HLN even more now.
    I hope they let this Channel 12 reporter testify during the misconduct hearing so the truth gets out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by faq_q View Post
    Yes, I know the type. If I am ever murdered, I should blame myself as I should have seen it coming.
    Anyone going near the courthouse anytime soon? huh huh huh? There's wonderful computers there that would let someone look up the rebuttal witness list.
    I posted the dates of interest the other day to make it easier if someone were to take it on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gigiann View Post
    Alyce just called. She said she wants VP to take a time out!
    "Justice will not be served until those who are unaffected are as outraged as those who are" --- Benjamin Franklin

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    Alexander Family to possibly sue Alyce ? Wow! I know the source is questionable but......

    This must be verified but here's one post referring to it on this thread (day 46):
    http://jodiariasisinnocent.com/jodi-...cent/#comments

    HLN is going to report on the Alexander Family suing ALV for Defamation????
    http://jodiariasisinnocent.com/jodi-...#comment-79935

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    Quote Originally Posted by wasthinking View Post
    hey poppym! I'm no shrink on any level, but the woman has her own issues, no doubt in my mind about that. How she even thought trying to work her 'stage' in a courtroom would work for her boggles my mind. But dragging in childhood pals from insecurities was the most surprising to me. I wonder if she drags them to her lectures too.
    It appeared to me she was acting like her testimony was a lecture! I thought she'd been in court before but I would question whether she's ever been involved in a criminal case? Not one such as this anyway. 'Time outs', 'When Harry Met Sally' , she didn't seem to know what was expected of her? The judge had to admonish her so many times for her outbursts and demeanor, I thought Sherry was going to lose it (like we'd know???)!

    You should review a comparison of the photo's you snapped of Sherry when ALV first sat down on the stand. That would be interesting!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lisam2013 View Post
    The article you posted says CONDUCT psychotherapy. I'm not talking about education.
    but you really should be:

    "there are significant differences between the two professions. Education, Training, and Credentials."

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    Quote Originally Posted by VioletPlanet View Post
    I don't believe that... I really blame the defense here. It is clear she was not given all evidence.
    She was given enough to seek further information from living, breathing face-to-face people. She did not. She is as complicit as the defense team. They are all to blame, but it really doesn't matter much anymore....it looks like a done deal and game over for JA. No amount of parsing, slicing & dicing words, changes the mountain of evidence in this case. Alyce did not bother to look at that boat load evidence with an unjaundiced eye. She's a used car salesman.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockabillychick View Post
    I don't know about Willmott but Nurmi requested off the case and the judge said nope. That was when he requested the 250/hr.
    well that sucks for him, but this is his chosen profession..................... and he's getting paid very well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by olgasbunghole View Post
    well that sucks for him, but this is his chosen profession..................... and he's getting paid very well.
    I wish I could be paid 300 dollars an hour to have my glasses rest on my chin, and recline in a chair.

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