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Awww. What was it? & did it breach copyright or offend gun nuts
Michele Fiore, who represents Clark Country District 4 in Las Vegas, posted her family's portrait on Facebook December 1.
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PUT YOUR FUCKING SHOES ON YOU DANK ASS HILLBILLIES!!!!
And grandma looks like she's about to stroke out. Fuck, she doesn't even look like she knows where she is.
Puzz, I know these are grim statistics, but I always thought they were only considered mass shootings if four or more people DIED. These statistics include everyone who was shot, eg. 2 dead, 2 injured.
I'm only saying this because the legal definitions for things are strange. I might be mixing up mass shootings with mass murders or something.
Search Results for "mass shooting"
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q...+mass+shootingBroadly speaking, the term refers to an incident involving multiple victims of gun violence, but there is no official set of criteria or definition for a mass shooting, according to criminology experts and FBI officials.
This is part of the problem with gun violence and gun control... we won't even talk about it to the point of agreeing on what is a mass shooting, what is an assault riffle. The pro gun people can throw stones at the control people because "you aren't even talking about the real problem, which is abortion..."
So yeah some people consider a mass shooting this and other say it's that and we don't deal with the problems.
There was a case here in SD where Dad killed his wife, kids and himself -- six people in all. But it's not really a mass shooting because yada yada yada... Obummer wants to take my deer rifle (or is that dear rifle?) away.
Victims don't have to die to be victims of a mass shooting:
Broadly speaking, the term refers to an incident involving multiple victims of gun violence. But there is no official set of criteria or definition for a mass shooting, according to criminology experts and FBI officials who have spoken with Mother Jones.Aug 24, 2012
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012...-mass-shooting
hah I wrote out my whole post before you replied and then got home and realized I hadn't pushed post.
Are you guys seeing any media reporting yet on armed extremists crashing a Moms Demand meeting in a Kentucky library today?
https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts
http://laist.com/2016/02/16/jesse_hughs_guns.php
Jesse Hughs, who was present during the Paris terrorist attack at the Bataclan Theater as the frontman of the Eagles of Death Metal, told a Paris TV station that he thinks everyone should be armed.
Jesse Hughes was in the middle of a show at the Bataclan Theater in Paris on Nov. 13 when the concert was interrupted by gunfire. While Hughes and his bandmates were able to escape, their merchandise manager and over 80 concert attendees were not so lucky. Hughes described the traumatic experience in a tearful interview with VICE.
In an interview with French TV station iT?l?, Hughes was emotional when talking about the experience and the band's return to Paris to perform. When asked if the experience had changed his opinions on gun control, he first said that gun control "didn't have anything to with it," but then in part blamed France's strict gun control laws on the success of the terrorist attack.
"Did your French gun control stop a single fucking person from dying at the Bataclan? And if anyone can answer yes, I'd like to hear it, because I don't think so. I think the only thing that stopped it was some of the bravest men that I've ever seen in my life charging head-first into the face of death with their firearms.
"I know people will disagree with me, but it just seems like God made men and women, and that night guns made them equal. And I hate it that it's that way. I think the only way that my mind has been changed is that maybe that until nobody has guns everybody has to have them.
"Because I've never seen anyone that's ever had one dead, and I want everyone to have access to them, and I saw people die that maybe could have lived. I don't know, but I wish I knew for sure that if they could have had a better chance, because there were some real angels, real wonderful people at that show."
The bit about guns making men and women equal relates to an old line about revolver inventor and Colt's Manufacturing Founder Samuel Colt, "Abe Lincoln may have freed all men, but Sam Colt made them equal."
Hughes position on gun control has always long been in favor of gun ownership, and he is a member of the NRA, according to the Guardian. Hughes also said that he now takes a gun everywhere he goes in the U.S. in an interview with Agence France-Presse.
Tonight, the Eagles of Death Metal will once again take the stage in Paris, this time at Olympia concert hall. Free tickets have been offered to those who survived the Bataclan attacks, and there will also be counselors at the show for any fans that would like to talk. The show will also be protected by soldiers and armed police.
This will be the band's first full show in Paris since the attack, though they did join U2 for a cover of Patti Smith's "People Have the Power" late last year, Rolling Stone reports. The band also played one of their own songs—"I Love You All The Time."
That guy's an idiot. Check out French crime statistics; we triple them in violence, particularly gun-related. What the fuck would that guy have done if he had a gun? Still run off stage and gotten the fuck out of there.
right? i saw this earlier and laughed. he obviously has has not done his homework or he's just a complete dunce.
Both is my bet.
I don't know much about the argument for suing the gun manufactures for mass murders, but my initial reaction is that I'm not so much for it.
A Florida woman known for a strong pro-gun stance was shot, accidentally, by her 4-year-old son, authorities said.
Jamie Gilt, 31, was taken to a hospital after the Tuesday shooting, and is believed to be in stable condition.
A Putnam County Sheriff's deputy was on patrol when he noticed a truck stopped partially in the travel lanes and a woman in the driver's seat motioning for help. The only other occupant in the vehicle was the boy, who was not harmed.
"She was sitting in the driver seat and he was in the back seat, behind her. He shot straight through. The bullet entered her lower back and exited through her abdominal area. It went through her and we recovered the round inside the vehicle. It was a .45 caliber (handgun)," Capt. Joseph Wells said.
Authorities said the firearm was legally owned by Gilt, who maintained a Facebook page entitled "Jamie Gilt for Gun Sense," where she regularly posted pro-gun positions. On her personal Facebook page, Gilt once bragged about her son: "Even my 4 year old gets jacked up to target shoot with the .22."
Both pages appeared to have been taken down by Wednesday afternoon.
Detectives have not yet been able to interview Gilt because of her medical condition.
Florida law makes it a misdemeanor for a person to store or leave a loaded firearm in such a way that a child could gain access to it.
Authorities said they won't make a decision on charges until they can speak with the woman.
https://www.facebook.com/Jamie-Gilt-...5534393505143/
http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/09/us/gun...ida/index.html
Last edited by puzzld; 03-10-2016 at 07:50 AM.
Ah, responsible gun ownership at its finest.
She has a bunch of pictures of her guns on Instagram, calling them toys. All I can say is 'ha ha'.
I'm glad the kid shot her, and not himself. A .45 is not a small gun. Stupid bitch.
"The love for all living creatures is the most noble attribute of man" -Charles Darwin
She's an irresponsible idiot for having a gun anywhere a small child can reach it, and 4 yo is way to young to be target shooting.
Until a person can distinguish right from wrong, and fantasy from reality, they should not have any sort of access.... even if it is supervised.
I know a lot has been said in this old thread, but I really don't think guns are the issue with a lot of the shit that happens.
We all had guns as kids here, and knew how to use them, and never even considered it an option. We all used to have them at school in our trucks and cars... in plain sight on racks, and no one was shot or even threatened.
I believe a huge part of the problem is with the fact that the last couple generations have a different value set, feel entitled, and are stifling things that are a natural part of life.
If anyone cares to discuss... cool, if it's a dead horse, that's cool too.
A gun owner was fatally shot in a Dallas-area drugstore parking lot on Monday after intervening in a domestic dispute in which a woman was wounded, police said.
The unidentified man who was killed was shopping with his wife at a Walgreens in Arlington, west of Dallas, when they saw a female employee who had been shot in the leg near the store entrance, an Arlington police spokesman told reporters at the scene.
The man went to his vehicle, retrieved his weapon and confronted the man who had shot the woman, Lieutenant Christopher Cook said.
?The suspect was trying to leave in the car. That?s when the good Samaritan pointed his firearm, trying to get the car to stop,? Cook said.
The suspect left his vehicle, shot the man in the head and fled the scene, police said. He later surrendered to police 60 miles from the scene of the shooting.
The suspect has been identified as Ricci Bradden, 22, and is thought to be the husband or boyfriend of the woman who was shot. He is in custody on a homicide charge, police said.
The wounded woman was taken to a hospital with non-life-threatening injuries.
https://www.rawstory.com/2016/05/tex...greens-worker/
A fatal mistake to get in the middle of that, tending to the wounded would have been enough.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/florida-...hooting-truck/
A Florida woman whose 4-year-old son shot her in the back as they rode in her pickup truck will avoid prosecution and any jail time if she satisfies a number of conditions detailed in an agreement announced Friday.
In the deferred prosecution agreement reached with the state attorney's office in Sanford, Jamie Lynn Gilt, 31, agreed to complete a gun safety course, install a mounted holster in her vehicle and provide proof of safe storage of firearms in her home. Gilt also must give 10 speeches about the March 8 shooting and the need to safely secure firearms, according to a news release issued by the state attorney's office on Friday.
The agreement did not specify where the speeches would be given.
Prosecutors say Gilt's son, Lane, was riding in the booster seat when he unbuckled himself and picked up a loaded .45-caliber handgun he found on the floorboard. He fired it through the front seat, striking his mother in the back. He wasn't injured.
Gilt has recovered from her injuries.
Gilt is apparently a gun lover who made numerous social media postings about gun rights, including one about teaching her son to shoot. A community Facebook page listed under Jamie Gilt for Gun Sense was filled with posts advocating for gun rights, including a quote that said "My right to protect my child with my gun trumps your fear of my gun." The Associated Press was unable to verify whether the page, which has since been taken down, belonged to Gilt.
A Facebook page that has since been taken down shows Jamie Lynn Gilt, a Florida mother who told authorities she was shot by her 4-year-old son while she was driving.
If Gilt complies with the agreement, prosecutors said the charge of unsafe storage of a firearm will be dismissed.
That's some bull poop. Lock her up, and that stupid four year old too! Jk. I don't really care about the outcome of this one, although this whole debacle could have been avoided if the kid was a better shot.
Good article. You should read it!
After every mass shooting in the U.S. you hear the same arguments from the same people. One group blames lax gun laws. The other group says more guns equal less crime. These are polarized positions to say the least.
Gun access aside, last week?s shooting in Orlando is vastly more complex than it originally appeared. Evidence continues to build that the shooter, Omar Mateen, while definitely a Muslim, was also gay. Presumably a self-loathing one. Meanwhile, there?s no evidence he?d ever been in contact with ISIS. This complicates the simple portrayal of a jihadist and serves nobody?s purpose, although it does seem to be getting progressively more play. ... deleted due to character limit.
So too with the whole gun law issue. Yes, the U.S. has extremely lax gun laws and a much higher gun-related homicide rate compared to other ?advanced? nations, but the U.S. isn?t those other countries. Every country has its own culture of violence, and there are so many different demographic and other inputs that one can never fully compare any two. Why does Venezuela have the highest civilian homicide rate of any country in the world, while those of every other South American country are vastly lower? As near as I can figure it, Venezuelans like killing each other. One finds authoritative-sounding assertions such as that in the far-left magazine The Nation saying that ?Epidemiologists at the University of California, San Francisco, conducted an extensive analysis of data from 16 previous peer-reviewed studies, and found that having access to a firearm makes a person almost twice as likely to become the victim of a homicide.? That becomes meaningless once you consider that people who buy firearms are different from those who don?t.
Among those saying silly things in the wake of the Orlando gay nightclub massacre is presumptive GOP presidential candidate Donald Trump. ?If you had some guns in that club the night that this took place, if you had guns on the other side, you wouldn?t have had the tragedy that you had,? he told CNN on Monday.
This is where you should raise your hand and meekly stammer, ?Um, Mr. Trump, how do you know none of the club patrons weren?t carrying guns?? Simply because nobody used them? Apparently there were a number of people packing heat at the site of Oregon?s worst mass shooting last October. They elected to keep the heat packed.
As the shooter?s own actions showed, it?s as easy to buy firearms in Florida as it is to chew gum. Granted, it?s harder to get a concealed carry permit, but surely lots of people skip that step. Cops don?t routinely frisk non-criminals. So out of hundreds of patrons, none were armed? Really?
It would be astounding to think that of the hundreds of patrons there that night, none were carrying. All we know for sure is that no guns were used.
More Guns = More Unused Guns
Some assume that one or more armed good guys can be expected to bring down the bad guys in such situations. But the bad guys, after all, are bad. Off-the-scale monsters. Human beings to them are ducks on a wheel at the midway and they usually know it?s going to end with their own deaths. Mateen did. They often train for their heinous acts as well. Hitting 103 people trying desperately not to be hit, even in a packed area, takes some skill.
The good guys, however, rarely have such advantages.
All they have in common with the bad guy is that they bought a gun and are carrying it. They cannot be expected to be good marksmen; they cannot expect to be ruthless killers and they certainly cannot be expected to be willing to sacrifice their own lives.
Even police normally just train against cardboard targets, safe in the knowledge no cardboard target has ever fired back. That is why we get incidents in which cops shoot unarmed suspects. (And when the suspect is black it?s then used as proof of racism.) Further, often the suspect is so full of lead as to become a human paperweight. Why? Because the police essentially emptied their magazines or their revolver cylinders. Why? Because they were afraid. Their training has not prepared them for this moment and it?s their first such encounter. Even in the most violent areas of America?s most violent cities, most cops won?t ever fire a shot in anger. ... ...deleted due to character limit.
Now add that it?s against our biology to kill other humans. In today?s society, probably few have what it takes to slaughter an animal. Meat comes from store shelves, after all. David Grossman?s fascinating 1996 book On Killing: The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society is filled with evidence that prior to this century?s conflicts, most U.S. troops could not actually aim directly at the enemy. At best they kept their heads down while the few who could kill did so. ... deleted due to character limit.
Even when I was covering the Battle of Ramadi as a photojournalist, the only way I absolutely knew that the men were aiming at their targets was when they actually shot them. I suspect almost all of them were indeed shooting to kill, but these were also men from elite units, the Navy SEALs or the 101st Airborne, and by the time I arrived they?d been in almost daily firefights for over a month. Plenty of time to work out the jitters. Yet my best enlisted buddy from Iraq is still traumatized over the four al-Qaeda terrorists he had to kill to protect the rest of us.
Mind the other takeaway from that example. These men had been shooting and getting shot at constantly, more each day than the typical big-city cop sees per lifetime, much less the average civilian with that sleek one-eyed blue steel beauty he picked up at Wal-Mart.
It?s Okay to Be a Hero, So Long as You?re a Live One
Then we have that nasty ?getting killed? aspect. Despite Patton?s famous admonition, being killed for your country is indeed a part of the soldier?s job. Once thrust into that position, it is a most powerful incentive to shoot to kill. Even if you don?t care about your own life, you?ve got a duty to your buddy. And if you don?t at least fire your weapon, those buddies and their commanders will notice.
But in any given mass shooting, most of the victims will survive. And those who do tend to be the ones drawing the least attention to themselves. They play dead. What do you do by whipping out a weapon and firing at (or shall we say ?towards?) that guy who seems perfectly at ease plunking everyone around? Attract attention. There is a possibility of saving lives, of being a hero, and an even more real one of being shot dead or maimed yourself. As soldiers that was our job. It?s a cop?s job, too. It?s not that of a civilian.
And so they don?t act. Usually. Time and again we hear of massacres where it beggars belief that nobody was carrying a concealed weapon, such as the 2012 theater shooting in Aurora, Colo.?another state with extremely lax gun laws. Yes, there are exceptions. And as with Americans who contract bubonic plague, you?ll tend to hear about them precisely because they?re so rare. A ?Study of Active Shooter Incidents in the United States Between 2000 and 2013,? prepared for the FBI, found that only 3.1 percent of the time ?the shooting ended after armed individuals who were not law enforcement personnel exchanged gunfire with the shooters,? whereas 13.1 percent of the time ?the situation ended after unarmed citizens safely and successfully restrained the shooter.?
Indeed, a day before the Orlando shooting, a deranged fan shot singer Christina Grimmie, also in Orlando. The victim?s brother tackled him. And then you get incidents like that at a north Houston gas station in September, in which a witness to an attempted carjacking whipped out a pistol?and proceeded to accidentally shoot the victim in the head. (He survived). The would-be Good Samaritan grabbed his spent shells and sped off into the night.
(I?ve never carried a firearm as a civilian but on two occasions,when I was living in Colombia, I was attacked with knives and on others with poles and clubs. I?m still here because of martial arts and boxing training and because I had learned that if you keep your wits about you, you?ll almost always win because most attackers are scared.)
I haven?t raised any Second Amendment issues, endorsed any presidential candidates, nor come to any truly solid conclusion about the Orlando incident. For which I?ll be accused of all three. Nothing seems to anger people more than not taking their position on gun laws, even when you?re not taking a position against them either. ?Yer either with us, or agin? us!?
Yet ultimately mass shootings are not good fodder for such discussions anyway. Notes UCLA law professor and savant Eugene Volokh, ?Always keep in mind that mass shootings in public places should not be the main focus in the gun debate, whether for gun control or gun decontrol: They on average account for much less than 1 percent of the U.S. homicide rate and are unusually hard to stop through gun control laws (since the killer is bent on committing a publicly visible murder and is thus unlikely to be much deterred by gun control law, or by the prospect of encountering an armed bystander).?
Instead of mindlessly accepting anybody?s self-serving rhetoric, we should ponder the realities of this horrible incident. No, it wasn?t ?political correctness? that killed and wounded over 100 nightclub patrons, as some have charged. But neither did Florida?s laws allowing easy access to firearms prevent it.
Michael Fumento is a veteran of the 27th Engineer Battalion (Combat)(Airborne) who was a photojournalist three times in Iraq and once in Afghanistan. He?s currently a freelance writer and attorney living in Colorado.
http://www.theamericanconservative.c...-gun-runs-too/
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