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    More proof you should circumsize your kids

    It is getting to the point now that i have to question the mothers that don't cut.



    NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - Infections of the kidney, bladder and urethra happen in uncircumcised baby boys at ten times the rate of circumcised boys, and over a lifetime uncircumcised men are four times more likely to experience one, according to a new analysis of past research.

    Urinary tract infections (UTIs) are most common in boys' first year of life, and circumcision was already known to make a difference in their risk, but how much and whether that carried through to adulthood was unclear, Australian researchers say.

    They found that circumcision "provides considerable protection and over the lifespan makes about a three- to four-fold difference by our prediction, which is quite striking in public health terms," lead study author Brian Morris, professor of molecular medical science at the Sydney Medical School, University of Sydney, told Reuters Health.

    Morris and a colleague examined 22 studies published between 1987 and 2012 that included a total of 407,902 males across the globe, a quarter of whom were uncircumcised.

    Breaking down the results by age, they calculated that the likelihood of a UTI between birth and one year of age is 9.9 times higher in uncircumcised boys compared to circumcised boys. Between ages 1 and 16, uncircumcised boys are at 6.6 times higher risk, and after age 16 their risk is 3.4 times that of uncircumcised men.

    Based on those findings, the researchers projected that doctors could prevent one UTI with every four circumcisions, "which is astronomical," Morris said.

    The younger the infant, the more serious a UTI can be, the researchers note in their report, which is published in the Journal of Urology. Side effects of a UTI in infants can include kidney scarring, fever, pain and blood infections.

    Health experts have mostly framed circumcision as a public health preventive measure focused on HIV and other sexually transmitted diseases.

    In August, the American Academy of Pediatrics for the first time stated that the health benefits of circumcision outweigh the risks, but added that the decision to circumcise a child remains with parents.

    The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is currently evaluating the potential health impact of circumcision, according to a spokeswoman, but any recommendations that come of that will also be voluntary, she said.

    The estimated health benefit Morris and his colleague found was several times larger than what was projected in two previous studies, which suggested 111 or 195 circumcisions would be needed to prevent one case of UTI in the first year of life.

    One expert questioned the new findings based on the methods Morris' team used.

    Zbys Fedorowicz, director of the Bahrain branch of the UK Cochrane Centre, a non-profit organization that evaluates medical studies, said that the 22-study analysis combined different types of studies and the researchers failed to assess their quality.

    "It doesn't mean to say that these guys are necessarily wrong, it's just that we don't know because the methodological approach that they used isn't thorough enough, it's not transparent, it's not reproducible and it's not clear," Fedorowicz said.

    In November, Fedorowicz and colleagues published a report concluding that no existing study that examined the risk of urinary tract infections and circumcision was of high enough quality for any recommendation.

    Dr. Robert Van Howe, clinical professor of pediatrics at the Michigan State University College of Human Medicine and vocal critic of circumcision, also found the new study problematic.

    Van Howe said that diagnostic criteria for urinary tract infections differ between researchers and that the cost/ benefit analysis of circumcision as a preventive tool for infections doesn't add up.

    At $200 each circumcision, preventing one urinary tract infection would cost $40,000, "which you can treat with an $18 antibiotic; it's overkill," Van Howe said.

    "You would think we have long lists for dialysis in men because they're not circumcised, but it just isn't a problem, it's fear mongering," Van Howe told Reuters Health.

    A middle ground might be to let boys decide for themselves at age 14 or 16 to become circumcised, Van Howe suggested. "You can leave this choice up to the person who has to live with the consequences," Van Howe said.

    Morris maintains that the study sends "a really strong signal for advocacy of circumcision as a public health intervention in reducing these various - and in many cases very serious - conditions over the lifetime."



    SOURCE: http://bit.ly/TJjLqA The Journal of Urology, online, November 28, 2012.
    And affirmative action is a very nice term for racial discrimination against better-qualified white people in jobs, employment, promotions and scholarships, and college admittance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chauncy View Post
    It is getting to the point now that i have to question the mothers that don't cut.

    ONLY NOW!?!?
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    Ron was the best part, hands down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron_NYC View Post
    ONLY NOW!?!?

    Well no. Was just trying to come across as an unbiased poster.
    And affirmative action is a very nice term for racial discrimination against better-qualified white people in jobs, employment, promotions and scholarships, and college admittance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chauncy View Post
    Well no. Was just trying to come across as an unbiased poster.
    Fair enough.
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    Ron was the best part, hands down.

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    but it's exactly like ripping a girl's clitoris out with a poorly sterilized sharp tool with no anesthetic so she hates sex because it's agonizing forever! Or something like that.

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    No debate on this one? No one going to say it's maiming your child?
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    Ron was the best part, hands down.

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    It's the equivalent of maiming your child. Seriously, I mean think about it! You're cutting off a piece of his pee pee!! How DARE anyone want to cut a boy's pee pee just to make it look "normal"!

    Fuck yes I had my boys circumcized. I knew the statistics long ago.
    Don't like what I have to say? I respect that. Go fuck yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevansvault View Post
    It's the equivalent of maiming your child. Seriously, I mean think about it! You're cutting off a piece of his pee pee!! How DARE anyone want to cut a boy's pee pee just to make it look "normal"!

    Fuck yes I had my boys circumcized. I knew the statistics long ago.
    You're a good man, Charlie Brown.
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    Ron was the best part, hands down.

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    I guess I've been under a rock. I wasn't aware there were parents who didn't circumsize their sons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlassHat View Post
    I guess I've been under a rock. I wasn't aware there were parents who didn't circumsize their sons.
    OK, now I think you're just fuckign with me. Who are you really?
    Quote Originally Posted by bowieluva View Post
    Ron was the best part, hands down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron_NYC View Post
    OK, now I think you're just fuckign with me. Who are you really?
    I'm dead serious. When my son was born he was placed on my chest for a few minutes while they finished doing whatever they do down there, then they took him away. When they brought him back to my room he was circumsized, had had a hearing test and eye test. I thought it was standard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlassHat View Post
    I'm dead serious. When my son was born he was placed on my chest for a few minutes while they finished doing whatever they do down there, then they took him away. When they brought him back to my room he was circumsized, had had a hearing test and eye test. I thought it was standard.
    It is for people born in hospitals. Not so much for the people born in the forest.
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    Ron was the best part, hands down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron_NYC View Post
    It is for people born in hospitals. Not so much for the people born in the forest.
    Yeah, I'm not familiar with the way the forest works.

    You and I will have our little Ron's circumsized.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlassHat View Post
    Yeah, I'm not familiar with the way the forest works.

    You and I will have our little Ron's circumsized.
    Not totally wrong here. Ha. But his what?
    Quote Originally Posted by bowieluva View Post
    Ron was the best part, hands down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron_NYC View Post
    Not totally wrong here. Ha. But his what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlassHat View Post
    Yeah, I'm not familiar with the way the forest works.

    You and I will have our little Ron's circumsized.

    Guuurrrl! I will shank you for trying to step in on my internet boyfriend!


    Quote Originally Posted by blighted star View Post
    ..... it wasn't anything personal, she just mistook him for a serial killer......

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    Yea, coincidentally I was just told I was getting married.

    ETA: oops, I mean proposed to. No, I think I was told actually.I was right the first time.
    Quote Originally Posted by bowieluva View Post
    Ron was the best part, hands down.

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    My son was circumsized right after he was born too. My story is about the same as glasshat's...but they brought him back screaming. It was awful...but I would do it again if I had another son.
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    She transitioned from a stupid asshole to a dumb bitch.

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    They should just make it mandatory and call it a day.
    Quote Originally Posted by bowieluva View Post
    Ron was the best part, hands down.

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    Word. I watched a show called Strange Sex and some old guy was trying to grow back his foreskin...saying he was robbed of it. Like he invented some device that like stretched out his penis skin. So weird.
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    She transitioned from a stupid asshole to a dumb bitch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron_NYC View Post
    Yea, coincidentally I was just told I was getting married.

    ETA: oops, I mean proposed to. No, I think I was told actually.I was right the first time.

    Yeah, I'm telling you we are getting married.

    I haven't figured out how it's going to work with me being gay and all.


    Quote Originally Posted by blighted star View Post
    ..... it wasn't anything personal, she just mistook him for a serial killer......

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    Quote Originally Posted by UncomfortablyNumb View Post
    Word. I watched a show called Strange Sex and some old guy was trying to grow back his foreskin...saying he was robbed of it. Like he invented some device that like stretched out his penis skin. So weird.
    Well that guy clearly has issues. If it wasn't foreskin it would be something else.

    If my parents didn't have me cut I'd fucking hate them.

    Quote Originally Posted by morbidT View Post
    Yeah, I'm telling you we are getting married.

    I haven't figured out how it's going to work with me being gay and all.
    I'm not the most masculine cat in the world.
    Quote Originally Posted by bowieluva View Post
    Ron was the best part, hands down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron_NYC View Post
    I'm not the most masculine cat in the world.
    We might be on to something.

    You're man hawt, though. erm herm


    Quote Originally Posted by blighted star View Post
    ..... it wasn't anything personal, she just mistook him for a serial killer......

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    Quote Originally Posted by morbidT View Post
    Guuurrrl! I will shank you for trying to step in on my internet boyfriend!
    Hush up

    We're going to have little Ronlets. Gun toting, non-farting Ronlets.

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    Sogs' head is gonna explode.
    Quote Originally Posted by bowieluva View Post
    Ron was the best part, hands down.

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