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    1 suicide death, 2 attempts in ~16 hours on Toronto subway system

    http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2014...alth_says.html

    Between 7 p.m. Monday and 11 a.m. Tuesday, there were three suicide attempts, including one fatality, on the subway system, Toronto Transit Commission spokesman Brad Ross confirms.
    The horrifying incidents shut down parts of the subway lines for a combined 225 minutes, causing major delays for thousands of passengers.
    I was using the subway Monday night when they were dealing with 2 of these jumpers. There's nothing more saddening than to hear announcements like "There is no subway service between X and Y Stations due to a personal injury at track level," and to have it happen twice in one day. They cleaned up the first one in time so I wasn't directly affected, but for the second one I was on a train that went out of service at one of the many stations that were being evacuated, because for some technical reason if power shuts down at one station they have to shut down other stations around it too. Thankfully I was going to get off at that station anyway. I'm quite morbid and am aware of subway jumpers through reading the news and stuff, but this was the first time I've had to deal with the aftermath in person. Many people were complaining because they were either ignorant and couldn't figure out what the euphemism "personal injury at track level" meant, or they knew people got hit but were only concerned about the inconvenience.

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    So all 3 who jumped were hit by the train, but only 1 died?


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    Yes. There's been 9 fatal and 17 non-fatal suicide jumpers on the Toronto subway this year. Not very effective. http://torontoist.com/2014/11/subway...rs-on-the-ttc/

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    That's really sad. Both for the jumpers and because people care more about their own inconvenience rather than sympathy for a person in trouble.
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    Yeah, Twitter often lights up with harsh remarks for the jumpers whenever this happens, or even if someone falls or is hit by accident. There has been pushings but the most recent one that I recall goes back to 2009. The news only covers certain cases or only discusses the delay in order to discourage copycats. For these recent ones I guess it was because there were so many in so little time. Suicides on the subway in Toronto are often only in the news for these reasons:

    - They can't identify the victim.
    - The victim's purse was stolen.
    http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/20...ge_subway.html
    - Train drivers reached out to the media to talk about their psychological trauma.
    http://www.torontosun.com/2013/09/11...m-back-to-work
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvuf_7hdnbw
    - The victim was already in the news for "invitation to sexual touching and luring" underage boys. http://www.thestar.com/opinion/2009/...o_the_end.html
    - It was a murder-suicide. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/mother...uries-1.236385

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    Gross. A non-fatal suicide attempt by train. *shudder*
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    There are probably going to be a lot more suicides from now until after the holidays. Depression likes to up the ante during the holidays for a lot of reasons. It's a lot easier to feel hopeless during the holiday season, unfortunately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuchAClassicGirl View Post
    Gross. A non-fatal suicide attempt by train. *shudder*
    From the Toronto Sun article:

    The following year, he experienced his second suicide attempt. While evacuating the screaming passengers, Georgoudakis saw the man trapped underneath the train between the coupler of the fourth and fifth car, crying out for help.

    ?The individual had his entire arm missing and part of his rib cage exposed and was screaming out loud that he deserved to die and go to hell because he had molested many younger boys who were just children.?

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    they should put out a public service announcement that suicide by toronto subway is ineffective and inconveniencing.
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    https://www.ttc.ca/News/2011/June/TT...r_suicide_.jsp

    They have posters that say "Thinking of suicide? There is help. Let's Talk." and provide free counselling on the payphones. I was surprised to see "Toronto subway and RT" listed as a suicide site on Wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...#North_America

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaRQV9vcIRs

    There's a shot of that poster in the Stars music video "Hold On When You Get Love and Let Go When You Give It" @0:19. Wonder if it's a paid product placement. And that poster isn't completely effective, because at least one person jumped at Lansdowne, the exact station that video was filmed, in since it was released. Look at the comments: http://globalnews.ca/news/1493820/su...gton-stations/

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    holy moly, i wasn't actually serious. oh jeez. my turn to say i'm going to hell. public suiciders do piss me off though because they aren't only destroying their own lives, but the lives of witnesses and the ones who end up responsible. i mean, if i killed someone on accident, i'd probably end up killing myself eventually as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by animosity View Post
    holy moly, i wasn't actually serious. oh jeez. my turn to say i'm going to hell. public suiciders do piss me off though because they aren't only destroying their own lives, but the lives of witnesses and the ones who end up responsible. i mean, if i killed someone on accident, i'd probably end up killing myself eventually as well.
    In public? Yanno, to carry on the cycle?
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    I would assume public suicides are more common in urban areas of Canada due to our shortage of guns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UncomfortablyNumb View Post
    In public? Yanno, to carry on the cycle?
    i think i've seen horror movies that started this way. infection.
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    You know it's a big deal when it makes the evening news. I'm surprised it's getting this much coverage. In fact it's the most discussion I've seen about suicides in our subway since I moved here from the west coast in 2011. Perhaps residents who have been around longer could enlighten me regarding media attention in previous years on this matter.

    http://www.cp24.com/news/public-heal...mpts-1.2098456
    http://globalnews.ca/video/1668406/f...transit-system

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuchAClassicGirl View Post
    Gross. A non-fatal suicide attempt by train. *shudder*
    I was thinking the exact same thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonnie Hu View Post
    https://www.ttc.ca/News/2011/June/TT...r_suicide_.jsp

    They have posters that say "Thinking of suicide? There is help. Let's Talk." and provide free counselling on the payphones. I was surprised to see "Toronto subway and RT" listed as a suicide site on Wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...#North_America
    Whats a pay phone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuchAClassicGirl View Post
    Whats a pay phone?

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    People actually use them. From torontoist.com:

    Since the program’s launch in 2011, there have been 256 calls. More than half of those have come from pranksters or from people not in distress. The remaining 94 calls were sorted into four categories by the counsellor on the other end of the line. Level 3 and 4 calls are for people in crisis who are having suicidal thoughts; they require immediate action.

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    The idea that suicides occur more frequently during the holiday season is a long perpetuated myth. The Annenberg Public Policy Center has been tracking media reports on suicide since 2000. A recent analysis found that 50% of articles written during the 2009?2010 holiday season perpetuated the myth.1
    CDC?s National Center for Health Statistics reports that the suicide rate is, in fact, the lowest in December.2 The rate peaks in the spring and the fall. This pattern has not changed in recent years. The holiday suicide myth supports misinformation about suicide that might ultimately hamper prevention efforts.


    http://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePreventio...e/holiday.html

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    It peaks in summer in Toronto. http://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2...file-73624.pdf

    There is a seasonal trend in suicide in Toronto. (Figure 17). The greatest risk of suicide occurred in July and August, with nearly 1.5 times the risk of suicide than in November and December.

    There are several explanations for the seasonal trend in suicide. Theories on the seasonal trend in suicide have suggested that there may be an activating potential associated with sunlight or temperature that may increase suicide risk. Other studies have explained the findings through the 'broken promises effect', where things seem to be
    getting better for everyone in the summer and a sense of expectancy is elevated, so that when an individual is not feeling better, they may feel defeated and suicide is seen as an option.
    I started really paying attention to subway suicides this August. I counted 4 "personal injuries at track level" in 12 days, Aug 6-18, posted to the TTC's Twitter account. 2 of them were within a week after Robin Williams' death. I was actually reading an old article about a murder-suicide on our subway when I saw the news about Robin Williams in the sidebar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fleta View Post
    The idea that suicides occur more frequently during the holiday season is a long perpetuated myth. The Annenberg Public Policy Center has been tracking media reports on suicide since 2000. A recent analysis found that 50% of articles written during the 2009?2010 holiday season perpetuated the myth.1
    CDC?s National Center for Health Statistics reports that the suicide rate is, in fact, the lowest in December.2 The rate peaks in the spring and the fall. This pattern has not changed in recent years. The holiday suicide myth supports misinformation about suicide that might ultimately hamper prevention efforts.


    http://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePreventio...e/holiday.html
    Raining on my parade! Lol, I confess I've never researched it, but I do know that my depression gets worse during the holidays and that is when I had my attempt.
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    I never thought that someone could survive jumping in front of a train. It seems like that poster should be more explicit, though. "Okay, we don't want you to kill yourself, but if you don't change your mind, don't bother with this because you'll probably just lose your legs or something and you'll be much more miserable and also really embarrassed."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptocrat View Post
    "Okay, we don't want you to kill yourself, but if you don't change your mind, don't bother with this because you'll probably just lose your legs or something and you'll be much more miserable and also really embarrassed."
    Reminds me of this bit of gossip I found: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r283...ont-of-a-subwa

    The woman who jumped apparently sat around for a good half hour on the bench, i guess contemplating it... then she took off some clothes and left her stuff and jumped... Usually the train crews report that there is a person not boarding trains and a slow order is issued, but i guess during morning rush the guards didnt notice.

    at least thats what the ttc supervisors said on the scanner...

    She was pulled out alive from underneath the train but with both legs amputated, i guess died later of blood loss and shock.
    I wonder how they load all 3 (or more) pieces of a person onto a stretcher. There are some interesting pics and vids of stuff like that online if you look for them. There's also the case of Kristen Anderson. www.cbn.com/tv/1420836775001

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