I think it's a way of deflecting the blame from herself.Nerdmiga, what confuses me is the joy she gets from planning on nailing these kids for a murder that never happened.
I think it's a way of deflecting the blame from herself.Nerdmiga, what confuses me is the joy she gets from planning on nailing these kids for a murder that never happened.
That's a very good point. I just don't get why she sounds SO happy and excited (especially on the radio show, but also on Dr. Phil) and without the slightest hint of sadness. It makes zero sense to me. Even being in denial, I would think that she'd break down at some point, but she keeps going like the f'ing energizer bunny.Originally Posted by statro
I just seriously don't get it.
Okay, I finally caught up on the blog after avoiding it for a while... I understand when Toni has specific times for things like phone calls and texts, but wtf is with stuff like this:
REALLY?! You know the exact time, to the minute, that people were all home on that day? Okay there Toni!They were all home at 12:18 PM and Morgan made lunch for us all.
Also from the latest blog post:
YOU LET HER GO OUTSIDE TO HER CAR IN A BATHROBE WHILE BEING "VICIOUSLY" GANGSTALKED BY INVISIBLE NINJAS, AND YOU DIDN'T FOLLOW WITH YOUR PEPPER SPRAY?! WTF is that Toni! She couldn't have been that terrified of her stalkers!Morgan sent a text to Calder at 8:11 AM wondering if he was in school yet. She ran out to the car in her big fluffy pink robe to grab her ballet things from the back seat and brought them in for a load of wash I was starting.
aaaand as someone else already pointed out, it makes no sense at the end of the letter from "Thomas" that he's writing to Toni that he writes how he thinks that her parents must be wonderful and yadda yadda (rather than "you must be wonderful parents", which would make more sense), but I also wanted to add in that even from the beginning it doesn't sound like a letter to someone's parents... like, who would write: "She had hopes about going to law school and also wanted to continue in a dance program when she went away to school."... Wouldn't someone assume they knew this shit about their own kid? Why would you write to someone's parents and tell them about their ambitions and stuff like that? My favourite part that Toni added in there though:"A student could sit and watch if they weren’t feeling well. Morgan almost always was dancing because she loved it." YES TONI WE GET IT! Morgan was perfectly healthy, 100%! Good thing that "Thomas" threw that little tidbit in there to back you up! It totally makes sense too, for this random married guy who doesn't even know you to write you a letter, and mention that students could sit out if they weren't feeling well, but that your daughter never did because she was so healthy!!
I don't either, really. The only theory I can think of that makes sense to me is that since she is in denial, she has repressed her feelings over what really happened to the point where she is literally not able to feel the sadness of it at all. She's still "with it" enough to know that she should say that she is sad, but since she won't let herself actually feel it, she can't express it even when she should. I think the happy and excited part might be a consequence of that, in that without letting herself feel the real sadness and grief that she should, her emotions just end up exploding inappropriately all over the place. Kind of like when people are in a situation where it absolutely inappropriate to laugh, and there is nothing funny about what is happening, but for some reason they just lose control and can't stop themselves. Also coupled with the fact that she probably really does enjoy the attention she is getting from this.
Hahahaa, that was my thought too, when I read it!! Like, we all know Toni was right on top of her with the pepper spray every single time she was two steps out the door. Except, maybe not so much, since she forgot to write it into the story this time!
there is something called Disorganized schizophrenia, also known as hebephrenia, a subtype of schizophrenia
"The prominent characteristics of this form are disorganized behavior and speech, (see formal thought disorder) including schizophasia, and flat or inappropriate emotion and affect. Unlike paranoid schizophrenia, delusions and hallucinations are not the most prominent feature,[4][5] although fragmentary delusions and hallucinations may be present.
A person with disorganized schizophrenia may also experience behavioral disorganization which may impair his or her ability to carry out daily activities, such as showering or eating.
The prominent characteristics of this form are disorganized behavior and speech, (see formal thought disorder) including schizophasia, and flat or inappropriate emotion and affect.
The emotional responses of such people often seem strange or inappropriate. Inappropriate facial responses may be common, and behavior is sometimes described as 'silly', such as inappropriate laughter. Sometimes there is a complete lack of emotion, including anhedonia (the lack of pleasure), and avolition (a lack of motivation)."
Toni chose to blame two young adults for her daughter's suicide.
Toni chose to manipulate others to blame these young adults which could place their lives in danger.
Toni chose to implicate B's dad in a "murder" on national television. Toni chose to try to damage the reputation the sheriff's department, coroner, medical examiner, K, B, and B's dad.
Toni lies repeatedly and routinely.
Toni has tried to hide her motives on her blog and Dr. Phil's show.
Toni is determined to have her own will and attempts to control others.
The pretense chosen by Toni is the pretense of love. Toni sought the advice of a UCLA specialist but obviously had no real interest in the specialist physician's advice. Toni only wanted to APPEAR that she was interested in helping Morgan.
Toni has tried to use her blog to destroy others for the purpose of preserving her own sick self.
Toni has never mentioned any awareness of the pain her blog has brought to others.
Toni has never mentioned any guilt that she felt after Morgan's death.
Toni has no awareness of her inadequacy with recognizing that Morgan was suffering with chronic pain and was depressed.
Instead of addressing her own imperfections, Toni projected all her guilt onto K and B.
Toni is evil.
Evil originates not from the absence of guilt, but in the attempt to ESCAPE guilt. What is it related to Morgan's death that Toni is trying to escape?
Toni is NOT schizophrenic.
I still think Toni could've given Morgan the pills that killed her - whether she slipped them to her without Morgan's knowledge, or in some way manipulated Morgan into taking them. I could be wrong!!! And probably am wrong, or else more of the rest of you would probably have the same gut feeling. But if Toni was evil enough to harm Morgan in a variety of ways (physically and mentally), and evil enough not to care that she's ruining a lot of lives with her blog, then it doesn't seem much of a stretch to think that she's evil enough to have killed Morgan (purposely).
I won't rehash all the reasons I feel so strongly about this, but just wanted to throw it out there again as an idea!
you're not the only one who thought this might be the case also. when i looked up porphryia, one of the detailed definitions ( i think on wikipedia) had a paragraph about arsenic induced porphryia and i wondered about how in many of her entries Toni stated that Morgan wasn't feeling well today. that coupled with early posts in this very thread wondering in Toni had M?nchausen syndrome by proxy, makes me look even harder in Toni's direction.
Part of me feels that too.
Umm....I think that pretty much just described me! :/
Lurker checking in.
To be honest, I don't even think Toni is evil. I think what she is doing by blaming innocent people is evil and wrong, but I don't think it is coming from a place of evil. I think she's just got a lot of mental health issues, and is increasingly becoming unhinged, and is also in total denial.
Also, although I'm not convinced that she *does* have it, I wouldn't empirically state that Toni isn't or couldn't be schizophrenic, because honestly, that could explain a lot of her behaviour and her irrational thinking, both before and after Morgan's death. It could also explain certain things like why her family are not backing her up, but not contradicting her either and are just allowing her to spiral out of control and spew all this illogical stuff all over the place, because you can't rationalize with someone who has untreated schizophrenia, and I could see people being afraid to say anything one way or another if they knew that she was honestly mentally ill. *shrugs*
It isn't an easy life.So when you wear glove, do you get in trouble for carrying two concealed deadly weapons?
I heard this song last night and thought of you! LOLIt isn't an easy life.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAlRCjY5pvk
That's awesome!
I don't what to think about Toni. I, along with several other people, feel she may have MSbP. As a matter of fact, Comfort mentioned it tonight. That would explain a lot too. Whatever her diagnosis may be, she is mentally ill.
If she has a real mental disorder then her whole family sucks,along with any friends she may have.
Does Toni even know the difference between when she is lying and when she is telling the truth anymore? In her new blog all the LE are driving by looking at something up on her roof. Which she says she and Steve observed on video the next day. Yet she came up with the on the roof stalker theory right before our eyes after someone suggested it in the comments like 3 months ago. So now she is saying she noticed them looking at the roof a year ago. Bullshit.
Nola, YES! I was going to mention that, but started watching The Walking Dead and I forgot.
She acted like the person who mentioned the roof was solving the case. She thought the idea was brilliant and others in LE were emailing her to thank her for that idea. As if it was the first time she heard it.
I thought she said cops never investigated the case.
Yes, the barefoot stalker hanging out on the roof, in CO, in December. SMH
you know that would make sense why toni never got the final tests to prove she had porphyria - arseni would eventually show up in tests - and why she would have the body cremated as fast as she did
That makes perfect sense to me.
Any one wondering when she's going to post this damned blahg. I have a sneaking suspicion we will all be sorely disappointed. :/
Agreed. She's so in it that she is a joy from vengeance... unfortunately, the vengeance is unwarranted.
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