Toni! Your life is in danger, girl! The berm ninjas will still find you by hacking your IP address! Berm ninjas give no fucks to proxies.
BBM Exactly, and murder sounds better than suicide. It's really sad that Toni doesn't want people to know who Morgan really was in life. I think Toni has been dishonest about Morgan's health issues too and she's dishonest when she tries so hard to paint Morgan as a perfect girl. Morgan just wanted to be a normal young woman but she was frail sometimes too. It shows in some of her photos.. IMO ..the pallor of her skin. I think Morgan struggled with her mental health too, maybe related to porophyria? Then she has a mother with her own mental health issues and the whole family is in such denial that they all jump head first into this stalking charade. It's so crazy! I guess it's no surprise that the stalking has continued in Toni's mind and now she and the 'puppy' are the victims. Joining the 'Victims Address Confidentiality Program' just validates her twisted reality. I wonder what the real reason is for the Igrams leaving Colorado?
Who knows?!
RIP Morgan
I think Morgan probably struggled with trying to live up to her mothers facade of perfection. The perfect home and family bullshit. It leaves no room for errors with kids and when they do error, Toni needs to blame others. None of this tragedy can be their own doing, someone else needs to be responsible. I imagine family members walking on eggshells and hiding significant portions of their personalities and activities to maintain Toni's need for perfection.
If any victim in this whole shitshow needs protecting, it's all the people that Toni has trashed on the internet, calling them stalkers and murderers.
I believe this is his page, haven't looked through the photos yet..
https://www.facebook.com/keenan.vanginkel
I find it very interesting but not surprising that she has linked herself with victim support services.
These services are critical in communities but they can be manipulated by people like Toni.
Some of these agencies would know of her however if she presents to them with her crazy stories and mocked up "evidence" to fit their criteria they really have to assist her.
It is easy to find out what the criteria for assistance is for community support, mental health support and victim support agencies. The information is usually on their websites or you can call and ask.
It is so unfortunate that some people abuse these services.
Damn Toni.
"Bermstalker"! I totally get the user name now! So okay, I'm new here and I've spent some time here reading this thread and also the mom's blog. I just saw some pics of the stalker after the cops left. I jumped to the last few pages of this thread because that's what I do when I read books. So can someone save me hours of reading??? Did mom make all of this up? It sounds like that is the general consensus from reading pages 1 - 5 and then the last 2 pages. Can somebody just give me the Cliff notes? Who was the guy in the pic after the cops left? That couldn't have been mom.
Yes , mum is batshit crazy, she pretty much made all of it up. I can't remember what the go was with the man in the video. Its been so long since I read about this and I am not gonna delve into that kinda crazy again
I can't remember where I read it at (probably one of the many blogs) But it came out that Morgan's brother and SIL were ALSO there that night that the "stalker's" image was caught on video. IMO, I always thought it was Morgan's brother who's image was caught on camera.
The cliff notes- this case is really not a case. It's the imagination of a twisted woman who feels like she's on a mission. This story has been investigated by everyone. Even the higher ups in Colorado that look at stuff like this. All the higher ups gave an interview and said there was no case. Listen to Part 3. Lots of legal experts that investigated this case. http://www.kdnk.org/story.cfm?id=1352742846325
Even if you take Toni and her diarrhea out of this story....and just look at the facts/evidence- a stalker still doesn't make sense. There are questions you have to ask yourself if you think stalker. Like...why would you let your kid still go out every night if she had a stalker? Why would you make her sleep in your closet, but dad wouldn't go sleep in her bed? Why didn't one of the million cameras you have around your house never catch an image outside her bedroom? Why did dad hold the medication of Morgan's? Why did Morgan miss so much school in those months, but yet she always felt good enough to go out that night? How did the "stalker" know that the Ingram's took a sleeping pill/locked the big dog up on the night he decided to ninja in the house and kill Morgan? How does your brain automatically go from taps on a window TO STALKER?
Those are just a few. I could probably list a page full.
Victims Address Confidentiality Program- from everything I've read, it's just a program that keeps your address confidential. All you need to join the program is a previous police report that shows you filed a stalking report.
Don't believe Kelly-Jane or bermstalker. They like to yank new member's chains. You will miss out on a lot of information if you don't read the whole thread. It's a long thread, but things will make so much more sense and fall into place if you read the whole thread. NO SKIPPING!
And shame on you two for playing that joke on this poor new member!
Go ahead, Night Owl. Read the whole thread. Take your time, maybe even take some notes/questions. You may find some answers to your questions as you move along in the thread. Once you finish this thread, I highly recommend the twins thread. You will find a link within this thread.
HAPPY READING!! I look forward to reading your final thoughts AFTER YOU READ THE THREAD.
Hello all. New member here.
It may have been mentioned somewhere in these 430 pages, but did anyone see this case on ID channel? It aired back in the summer and I wasn't a forum member so it was news to me. The mother was so clearly deluded that I was disappointed with ID for wasting my time.
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Oh but it must have made an impression on me because when I found this thread I thought Thank God I'm not the only one who thinks mom is batshit crazy lol!
I haven't seen it but I did watch clips from a Dr Phil episode last night and also listened to a Sword and Scale podcast about it.
Maybe I'm naive but I do wonder about the non-cop guy on the cam. If it was the brother, wouldn't other people who viewed it recognize him????
Oddly, today marks the 4th anniversary of Morgan's death. RIP.
Berm is actually a nun. She denies it, but she is. She's just a lil' shy about it.
Oh, hi new member! Don't fall for the tricks of some of the other members. I'll just warn you now. They will give you "recaps" of the thread with wrong info just so they can poke fun at you later. Trust me. Just go ahead and read the thread for yourself.
There is some AMAZING discussion regarding the case that was on the ID channel. Don't miss out!
Oh, there's links to Dr. Phil in the thread!
Again you silly sally! It's all in the thread.
You're really gonna miss out. There's also links to some other really good threads within this thread.
LOL! This thread needed to be resurrected! Plus, this - http://keenanvanginkel.blogspot.com/...stice-for.html . Who knew that Prince was a supporter??? RIP Morgan *and* Prince.
As long as they let me out before Morgan's birthday in August!
I wasn't going to reply to this thread because it's so old and crazy but....someone else did so.......I read every single post. Went to every single link. (I need a life!) Laughed like an idiot, A LOT. My husband left me, took the kid and the dogs and I didn't notice (Not really) Do I get a reward? A cookie? Bacon, maybe? I've lurked for awhile, first time post, so please be gentle. If not, my husband, Michael, might get you! Yes, I married Michael Myers, so not much scares me anymore. Anyway, love the site, you guys & gals are hilarious.
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