I don't understand how some countries manage to do this whilst the rest of us just let people continue to live in hell. It's crazy.Originally Posted by Morbid_much
I don't understand how some countries manage to do this whilst the rest of us just let people continue to live in hell. It's crazy.
There are pretty strict guidelines from what i understand. The one thing i was just thinking about is that in that documentary they were given a pill and of course the pills were opened up and then the powder mixed in with water but in the Lovell story, she is given a liquid. They must have changed that? Maybe they decided this was a better way to do it or maybe it was a dr's choice?
See, this is where i think it could get really sideways. Once a patient picks up this med, it's in your house or whatever until you use it. It's like a loaded gun imo, does anyone else see that? Im totally for the medication, Im just wondering how many times it's been picked up and possibly ever forced on a person. Or has there any been any wild stories about it falling into the wrong hands like a teenager or anything?
What I also thought was intersting is that in the documentary they fell into comas pretty quickly but Lovelle lasted for roughly 5 hours! How does that happen? That brings me back to the medication and what she was given and wndering if it was different than the others?
How long does it take to kill you after you take it? You could take it in the doctor's office. No way for anyone else to take it. Maybe something like that?
That doesn't address the issue of friends/family "coercing" you to do it, but it would address the "whoops, someone else took it" aspect, at least. idk what the solution is for the former. Psychological tests up the ass is a good start, I would assume.
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I thought it was supposed to kill you within a few minutes but lovelle lasted a long time so im lost. Nestle might know. The psych tests are good imo, except that it would make me anxious to get all those things done in the specified amount of time. I wonder if the process is more stressfull than the actual dying part.
idk. I had to take a bunch of psych tests to be an egg donor. Obviously it's not the same thing, but it wasn't stressful at all. But yeah...the time limit...idk. I don't have a perfect solution. But I think it's insane that you can't die if you want to. I remember growing up around Dr. Kevorkian and he was SO HATED, and I was like ten and like...why?
You could say that about nearly any kind of meds though, WTBB. If you take enough of certain medications, or in combination with other medications or alcohol, etc. you can die. There are lots of examples on MDS of this. I did a half-assed search and wasn't able to find what meds they prescribe. Everything just says "lethal medication." However, at Dignitas, they used pentobarbital, which is a central nervous system depressant.
I think the quick deaths in the documentary may have been due to editing. Of course they are going to try to make it look as nice as possible.
I read over the Oregon statute and it seems pretty solid. Yes, there are a few possible loop holes, but to even qualify, the patient has to have a terminal illness and the state seems to be on top of each case. It's not a matter of going to your doctor and picking up a scrip for pentobarbital. You have to have witnesses (one of which is not related to the patient and cannot be the recipient of the patient's estate), file paperwork with the state, and I believe there's a waiting period. http://public.health.oregon.gov/Prov...Pages/ors.aspx
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Tony Nicklinson died this morning. I'm glad he got his wish but it should never have had to happen like this
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-end-life.htmlLocked-in syndrome sufferer Tony Nicklinson died at home today after contracting pneumonia and refusing food for a week, having lost his High Court bid to end his own life with a doctor's help.
Mr Nicklinson was found dead six days after being left 'heartbroken' at judges' refusal of his right-to-die case.
Just hours before the 58-year-old's death was announced by his legal team, a poignant final message had been posted on Mr Nicklinson's Twitter feed on his behalf by his family which read: 'Goodbye world the time has come, I had some fun'.'
The married father-of-two's family said he died 'peacefully at home' at around 10am this morning.
Police said they are not investigating Mr Nicklinson's death.
RIP Tony
I'm glad his suffering is over. I hope his wife and family can find peace.
"It's the salt water that changes the Rainbow's pretty colors to gray." "And his colors never come back?" "No, once he's been to the sea he's changed forever. The Steelhead can come back home here, stay for the rest of his days, and live among the other Rainbow trout, but he'll always be different because of where he's been." Morsi, Pamela. Garters.
I, too, am glad for him. :( RIP Tony.
RIP Tony, I'm glad your pain is over and I hope that your story will help pave the way for legal euthanasia.
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RIP Tony. It should have been easier for you.
Who are the people against this? Can someone give me a good reason to be against it? And nothing about how it's going to be overused, or some slippery slope argument, tell me a good reason this man should not be allowed to die on his own terms.
I know that this a left-leaning forum, so people get scared to take the stupid side of an argument, I get that. But I am asking if someone will be bold enough to do it here.
I don't get it- weren't they feeding him via a tube? Didn't they say they had to?
Ron the only reason that I can see to oppose euthanasia is the religious one. God has a plan for you, so don't you dare die before he says it's time.
I don't say it's a good reason, but if Rev. Smith says it's so, it's good enough for a lot of people.
"It's the salt water that changes the Rainbow's pretty colors to gray." "And his colors never come back?" "No, once he's been to the sea he's changed forever. The Steelhead can come back home here, stay for the rest of his days, and live among the other Rainbow trout, but he'll always be different because of where he's been." Morsi, Pamela. Garters.
The other argument is how to determine whether someone is mentally fit to make that decision.
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see, this is the shit i don't get. god doesn't put feeding tubes in people, drs do.
"But God gave the doctor the skill and knowledge to be able to do these things!"
I really don't even get the religion angle, either. How do you KNOW God's plan *isn't* for this person to die at this time vs hanging on forever thanks to "medical advances"?
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For anyone curious, on reddit there is an IAmA/AMAA Dignitas patient flying to Switzerland in 4 months for assisted suicide. OP is only 23 with terminal cancer.. its a bittersweet read.
http://redd.it/ywuei
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Nicklinson's family are continuing their fight in the hope of still changing the law:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20901622The family of a man who lost a legal battle for the right-to-die has won permission to continue his campaign and appeal against the High Court ruling.
Tony Nicklinson, 58, died at his home in Melksham, Wiltshire, in August 2012, a week after he failed in his bid to end his life with a doctor's help.
He was paralysed by a stroke in 2005 and suffered from locked-in syndrome.
His family's test case is over whether medical help can legally be provided to those seeking the right to die.
Mr Nicklinson's widow Jane pledged in September to continue her husband's fight but judges refused to make her a party to the proceedings.
The Court of Appeal has now given permission for her to challenge the High Court decision.
Mrs Nicklinson has admitted it is likely to be a long campaign, fraught with legal technicalities, but said the family was determined to continue.
On her Twitter account she said it was "good news indeed".
'Terrible predicament'
Father-of-two Mr Nicklinson, who was paralysed from the neck down, had been refusing food and contracted pneumonia after he was left "crestfallen" by the court's decision.
His family had vowed to continue his campaign after he died on 22 August but the High Court refused to allow the case to proceed further.
The judges said they were "deeply conscious of Mrs Nicklinson's suffering" but did "not consider that the proposed appeal has any real prospect of success".
Turning down Mr Nicklinson's bid in August, the court referred to his "terrible predicament" and described his case as "deeply moving and tragic".
But Lord Justice Toulson, Mr Justice Royce and Mrs Justice Macur unanimously agreed it would be wrong to depart from the long-established legal position that "voluntary euthanasia is murder, however understandable the motives may be".
The judges also heard that a second applicant known as "Martin" needed assistance to end his life after a stroke.
They ruled that the current law did not breach human rights and it was for Parliament, not the courts, to decide whether it should be changed.
The human race fucking fails all over the place anymore.
Let these people die with peace for fucks sake! What is dignified about this man resorting to starving himself and then contracting pneumonia and dying that way? Yeah, he finally got peace but why the hell do we have to make people suffer??
I am sooooo happy that he was able to pass, don't get me wrong but I ABSOLUTELY HATED SEEING HIM CRY. And they wouldnt make his wife party of the whole issue? Fuck that place, she took care of him and saw him siffer every damn day, hour, minutes, seconds. My God, society is fucking ridiculous.
I promise to NEVER let any of my family members to suffer, I swear on everything in me that I would take a jail sentence over seeing god forbid, one of my children slowly dying in agony.
Fuck.
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