Randall Engels (37) shot and killed himself, his wife Amy (35) and their two children after Amy filed for divorce

[beli]

Horrible!!!


An Oregon man shot and killed his estranged wife and their two children at his home on the Fourth of July before killing himself, police said Thursday. Court records show the woman had sought to keep her husband away from the kids because she considered him dangerous.

The bodies of Randall and Amy Engels and the two children were found Wednesday at the home in Dundee, about 25 miles south of Portland in the heart of Oregon's wine country.

Amy Engels had filed for divorce from Randall Engels on May 29, and she moved with their children from their home in Dundee to nearby Newberg nearly five weeks earlier, court records show. They had been married 14 years.

Police have not given a motive for the shooting or said why Amy Engels and the children were back at the house on July Fourth.

When Amy Engels filed for divorce, she asked a Yamhill County judge to issue an emergency temporary custody and parenting order, citing an "immediate danger" to her children.

"My husband has threatened to steal them and not return them," she said in an affidavit. "He has threatened to hurt them. He yells at them and makes them feel nervous and upset."

A handwritten decision read, "Denied ? danger not established." It was signed by Circuit Judge Cal Tichenor.

In the divorce filing, Amy Engels wrote that she and her husband had decided he will have parenting time at least once per week ? prearranged with at least two hours' notice. But it's unknown what type of arrangement the pair worked out before the killings.

The files don't contain the name of a lawyer or show that Randall Engels had participated in the divorce filing.

The court records identify the children as a daughter, Bailey, about 13, and a son, Jackson, about 11. The papers say they had lived with their parents in Dundee from birth until late April, when Amy Engels and the children moved to Newberg.

State records show Amy Engels is a licensed cosmetologist. It was unclear what Randall Engels did for a living, but he previously served on the Dundee Budget Committee and ran unsuccessfully for city council. The Newberg Graphic newspaper reported he was a former owner of the Dundee Pizza Co., which is no longer in business.

The bodies were found at the Dundee home in a working-class neighborhood after a caller told police about an alarming post on a social network.

A post Wednesday on the Facebook page for a person identifying himself as Randall Engels of Dundee reads: "If she's gone i can't go on."

A March 1 post on the same Facebook page reads: "Well Amy, tomorrow will mark 16 years together and our 14th wedding anniversary. I love you more now than ever. You are the only life decision that I never second guess. How did it go by so quickly? I'm easily in for another 16. Thank you for all you do for me."

It could not be immediately confirmed that the writer of the posts was the man police say killed his wife and children. The Facebook page shows that Randall Engels is originally from Puyallup, Wash.

The family had lived for several years in Dundee, a Willamette Valley town known for weekend and holiday traffic bound for the vineyards and tasting rooms of the region.

Neighbors who would speak to journalists knew little about the family.

Outside the Engels home Thursday sat two vehicles ? the husband's pickup and the wife's SUV, according to the divorce filing.

Neighbor Kelley Wood said there was little chance that gunfire would have been noticed Wednesday, given the presence of a nearby gun club, the percussive devices used in the vineyards to scare off deer, and the holiday fireworks. On Thursday morning, the remains of fireworks littered an intersection near the family's home.

"There were a lot of noises that could have sounded like gunshots," Wood said.

Joe Endicott, an 18-year resident, didn't know how many years the Engelses had lived there, but he said their tenure was longer than most residents there. Court record states show the children had lived in the house from birth until April 23.

"It's sad, very sad, something that shouldn't have happened," Endicott said. "If you got a problem, you don't take it out on your family. That's stupid."

http://mydeathspace.com/article/2012...ed_for_divorce

[beli]

from his facebook:

Randall Engels
If she's gone i cant go on.
Share ? Wednesday at 6:30pm via mobile ?
Britten Engels Yeah what Todd said. You fucking piece of shit. Well on second thought just based on profile pics. Todd looks more like a turd. Just sayen.
Wednesday at 8:41pm via mobile
Harold Jennings WTF !
Thursday at 4:02am
Zee Strypes As well you shouldn't!
Thursday at 11:47am via mobile
Emma Myhrum Morgan oh , i wish i had seen this earlier.
Thursday at 10:38pm ? 1

[beli]

I think these were the babies:

[Nancy Drew]

Ugh, all I can think reading his facebook was that he seemed so "normal." I wonder what time this happened and how long he'd been planning it. Also, I don't get the Todd thing...?

[Olivia]

Ugh, all I can think reading his facebook was that he seemed so "normal." I wonder what time this happened and how long he'd been planning it. Also, I don't get the Todd thing...?

I am guessing todd wrote something that only friends of Randall can see? Or something like that.

[Nancy Drew]

I am guessing todd wrote something that only friends of Randall can see? Or something like that.

Yeah, I thought that, but why did she agree with him and then say he looked like a turd? Then I thought there were probably two comments missing...then I thought I was putting way too much effort into it.

[animosity]

Yeah, I thought that, but why did she agree with him and then say he looked like a turd? Then I thought there were probably two comments missing...then I thought I was putting way too much effort into it.

yeah, todd totally looks like a douche but you cant judge feminine hygiene products by their packaging.



btw: i don't know todd.

[Nancy Drew]

yeah, todd totally looks like a douche but you cant judge feminine hygiene products by their packaging.



btw: i don't know todd.

Was this supposed to make me less confused?

[animosity]

no. the opposite. i'm just in a stupid sort of mood.

[beli]

I didnt catch the todd thing. Hmmmmm off to look...

[Ron_NYC]

Ugh, all I can think reading his facebook was that he seemed so "normal." I wonder what time this happened and how long he'd been planning it. Also, I don't get the Todd thing...?

Right?! And he's a Democrat, and that is really shocking.

[Nancy Drew]

Right?! And he's a Democrat, and that is really shocking.

I thought about that haha, not even joking. BUT, he also posted lyrics from that Fun. song, so even stevens.

I guess this would be an inappropriate thread to post that I should kill myself because I know that their name is Fun., with a period.

[beli]

I always laugh now when emmie posts how she hates fun. I'm like "me too, girl, me too".

[nestlequikie]

Dundee murder-suicide: New details emerge of husband's abuse

In mid-June, Randall Engels told a co-worker he wanted a gun for "protection" and bought a revolver from a dealer in Woodburn.

He asked the co-worker to teach him how to use the .357 Magnum. The co-worker was willing, but never did.

Three weeks later, Engels was dead, using the gun to kill his wife, two children and himself at his home in Dundee on July Fourth.

On Thursday, Yamhill County District Attorney Brad Berry released details of a monthlong investigation into the murder-suicide. The investigation shows Engels exhibited a pattern of controlling behavior before and after his wife, Amy, filed for divorce in late May.

Randall Engels had texted his wife posing as a fake friend named "Brian." The friend encouraged Amy Engels to meet with her husband to work out their marital problems.

At one point, Amy Engels asked "Brian" if he knew her husband. "Brian" told her he didn't and changed the subject, according to the report.

On July 3, Amy Engels texted "Brian," saying she wouldn't go back to her husband. She also told "Brian" that her children feared her husband, the police report and court records indicated.

The same day, Amy Engels told her husband in person during a lunch meeting she was going through with the divorce, police said.

A day later, a friend of hers saw a post on Randall Engels' page that said: "If she's gone I can't go on."

He also posted a photo that, investigators said, appeared to show his wife dead at the scene.

Friends contacted authorities and police found all four members of the family dead with gunshot wounds.

Police also found the words that Engels had posted on his Facebook page on a white board in the house.

That day, he was supposed to take the children, Bailey, 13, and Jackson, 11, to the St. Paul Rodeo, but convinced his wife to come with them. Since April 23, Amy Engels and the children had been living at her parents' home in Newberg.

She and the children arrived at the Dundee house between 3 p.m. and 4 p.m. Detectives concluded they were sitting at the dining room table, set with food, when they were shot.

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-no..._new_deta.html




Ugh.

[g r ee n ey e s]

What a fucking dick.

[bowieluva]

Fine, off yourself, not your family. Dick.