Even when someone is as calculated as this guy? I mean, if someone were looking at life in prison (I know Marin was not) and they killed themselves, can you really say they're not thinking clearly? How about if the person was innocent? I don't think that the not-thinking thing holds true for everyone.Originally Posted by bowieluva
Like that saying: suicide is like telling God "you can't fire me cause I quit!"
Oh shit, I'm broke. I guess the only thing to do now is falsify a second mortgage. If that doesn't work, I'll create a bogus children's charity stunt and pocket the proceeds. Guess I also have the option to burn down my mansion.
Frankly, I'd rather kill myself than try to rebuild with ethical, hard work. Besides, nobody would hire me. After all, I have a law degree from an Ivy League school.
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Uh, you are not taking into consideration any of the nonsensical emotional anguish people endure, but that's okay. Don't let the suicide rates of wall street during the depression effect your opinion.
From an outsider position, things may seem like they have logical tracks and progressions. From someone wallowing in it, that's not as clear. But hey, rich, educated people aren't allowed to suffer from emotional stress.
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Whoa, I'm not disputing that financial collapse is linked with depression and suicide or that wealth/education exempts someone from grief.
I was just commenting that he'd rather screw everyone and die before he took a more responsible approach to his financial problems. I mention the prestigious degree because it probably helped him to land a job/career that allowed him to reach the top. It's reasonable to believe that a law degree would serve him well if he decided to reenter the workforce. He made it once, he could have made it again.
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But what I am saying is that impression is completely ignoring the fact that he was mentally unbalanced and so the question is not 'he would rather'.
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i, personally, believe that people who kill themselves hare predisposed in some way. maybe it's genetic of just some other form of mental illness but to me there has to be some reason why most of us can live with life's stressors and other's chose to take their lives.
most people who commit a crime out of desperation and are caught do their time and go on with their lives. this guy couldn't handle that for whatever reason. what makes me think he's a selfish prick isn't that he killed himself but that he did it publicly and now all those people have to remember his death and carry that with them. not to mention that his family and friend got to watch it over and over on TV.
That is my largest issue. If I had to see the self imposed death of my loved one, that alone would drive me emotionally insane.
All I can say is that from my experience this week, the people closest to the deceased just sort of look for other people to blame/a way to understand. It's the other people who DON'T feel an emotional closeness who are left asking why they had to be dragged into this and why this stranger had to become an indelible mark on their life.
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Interesting point Bowie. My friends brother killed himself when he was 18. I know his sister has always blamed a multitude of outside forces, from their parents, to his gf, to his dermatologist. It has never, in the 35 years since it happened been "Bill just couldn't handle things," or "Bill suffered from depression."
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oh man, this is something people have a really hard time wrapping their brains around. as someone who has experienced depression and anxiety for as long as i can remember, i've never quite found a way convey exactly how these disorders toy with perspective, self-image, and coping skills.
when this dude took inventory of his life, it's like he looked into the fun-house mirror incarnation: where most people unaffected by mental disorders could look at this as a set of "prices to pay" for previous bad decisions, this guy was likely seeing everything in shades of panic and shame that he probably TRULY believed to be damnable enough that he may as well off himself and get it over with.
was he crooked in his financial dealings? oh fuck yeah. but that doesn't mean he couldn't also process his own mistakes by punishing himself internally and reminding himself what a failure he was to his family, business associates, himself, etc. that's a really unhealthy way to deal with things, for sure, but this guy could not think about rebuilding his success because he was his brain chemistry was probably so fixated on how he fucked up and how he wasn't doing anyone any favors by staying alive. that's the weird thing about suicide-- lots of people who do it or attempt it really believe they're doing their loved ones favors by dying and eliminating a burden, so speak (even though, obviously, that's pretty much never logical reasoning).
I guess there's no 'good' way/place to kill yourself. Aren't most suicides discovered by family members? Whether he did it at home or in court, its likely that his loved ones would be stuck with such a horrible image either way.
I agree that its horrible that everyone had to witness that. At the same time I can understand that when the verdict was read he saw that as the point of no return. If he wanted to end it, it had to be at that moment. Otherwise he would have been led out of the courtroom in handcuffs and straight to jail without a chance to get to his pills or whatever. So in a way it was selfish to expose others, but I guess when you're so far gone you'd do anything to find peace.
Strikes me as more of a situational depression thing, though. Has anyone found anything about a history of mental illness? Besides the scuba gear thing?
Sorry but I don't think this is a man who offed himself because he felt ashamed and burdensome. If that were the case he would have popped those pills the second he got them in the mail. No, he waited until the exact moment when he found out he wasn't getting away with anything.
again, as bowie said before, it's impossible to figure out the logic behind this man's thought process, because ultimately, there is none. suicide in and of itself is an entirely illogical and irrational "solution" to a problem. the fact that he suicided is proof enough that he was suffering from severe mental illness.
also, the depression is only one factor in his emotional makeup; i'm thinking severe anxiety and panic played just as large a role in his suicide. and that is most definitely NOT a situational thing. anxiety is fucking emotionally and mentally crippling.
Yes, of course this. "A history of mental illness" is moo.
Bowieluva wrote: All I can say is that from my experience this week, the people closest to the deceased just sort of look for other people to blame/a way to understand. It's the other people who DON'T feel an emotional closeness who are left asking why they had to be dragged into this and why this stranger had to become an indelible mark on their life.
What does this mean?
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It means most survivors of suicide tend to look for someone/something to blame.
Toni-in this case, it wouldnt be Michael's fault, it would be the fault of the government for prosecuting him.
Yes, people hold the mitigating factors that 'caused' the suicide responsible instead of the person who killed themselves. Because they also felt they failed this person in some way.
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Toni-I have some personal experience with this, luckily not in a case of suicide. I have an almost 22 year old brother who constantly gets a free pass from my parents because everything and everyone is conspiring against this kid in some supposed(read:bullshit) way. Kid failed out of college this past semester but mom blamed it on the professors is the most recent example.
Man. I wish they knew how much they were crippling that kid.
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Kid got a fucking .8, and it was his professors not giving him enough time to do work/professors being meanie pants/etc.. Kid also spent his student loan money in the first 8 weeks partying it up, so needless to say, guess who got cash from my parents.
Anyways, this exercise was to help Toni. Now back to this rich white guy offing himself even though as a rich, white guy he doesn't have any problems.
Dammit, I still want to know what he said to that lady in the courtroom when he turned around, just a few seconds before he started to convulse. It was awful for everyone in the room, but ugh it must be such a terrible feeling that she was the last one he talked to before he died.
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