It isn't a particularly happy, rational, or enviable man, either.
It isn't a particularly happy, rational, or enviable man, either.
Originally Posted by bowieluva
Im with song on this one. Sure, it sucks and of course he was depressed. Doesnt change the fact that he had shitty decision making skills, skewed values, janky morals, and decided it was better to lie and cheat to "fix" his problems instead of trying to deal with it the way everyone else in life has to. Maybe he couldn't help himself once in the spiral, maybe he wasn't equipped to cope. But am I going to feel sorry for the guy? No.
He didn't want to live a life within his means and, instead of dealing with it like the rest of us have to, he decided he'd lie, cheat, and defraud his way into his lifestyle and couldn't handle when it wasn't working out.
Yeah, he killed himself because he was depressed. And sure, I'd be depressed too. But fuck this guy. Im not going to feel bad because he couldn't handle living an honest lifestyle.
His actions weren't commendable, for sure. I'm not asking anyone to share my opinion. I feel suicide is always tragic and sad, and just because someone fucked up/used to have money doesn't make it not tragic or sad, in my opinion.
I think it's sad that money can turn your whole life upside down. Financial burdens are the ones that no one likes to talk about because they are so embarrassing. It's like if you fail with your money, you fail at feeling secure.
I wondered how he got cyanide into court? I thought he was already in custody so that confuses me. Suicide is such a touchy subject because i would like to think that all situations would have happ endings but they just don't. I always think of people that try or succeed in suicide as being in such a dark place 'for them' (meaning it might be trivial to you or me but not to that person) that it has to be extremely scary.
My withdrawls made me want to suicide so hard because i thought the craziness wouldnt go away and it was actually painful. This is how i envision hell to be.
I swear to god, I feel like Ron right now.
Ugh, the poor son.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/10/justic...html?hpt=ju_c1
(CNN) -- The death last month of a 53-year-old former investment banker who collapsed in an Arizona courtroom, minutes after a jury found him guilty of torching his palatial Phoenix estate, appears to have been a suicide, police said Tuesday.
Michael Marin was facing a sentence of seven to 21 years in prison on June 28 when courtroom video shows that he appeared to put something into his mouth and swallowed. Minutes later, he appeared to put something else into his mouth, and again swallowed. Shortly afterward, he went into convulsions and was taken to Maricopa County Medical Center, where he was pronounced dead.
Late Monday or early Tuesday, Marin's adult son received a delayed e-mail from his father "telling him that if things don't go good in court, Marin's wills are in place and his car can be found at a Mesa location," Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio told reporters. The family relayed that information to police, who searched the car's cargo area and found a canister labeled sodium cyanide, he said.
Investigators determined that Marin had ordered the quick-acting poison -- typically used in agriculture and gold mining -- from a California-based company and that it was delivered by FedEx to his home in 2011.
"All indications point to suicide but, until the final report, this case still remains open," he said.
The coroner will determine the cause of death.
"We assume that Marin made capsules out of this toxic substance before coming to court on June 28," he said. The product, which typically sells for $68 for 200 grams, was on sale this week for half off, Arpaio said.
He described the family as "very distraught," but cooperating with investigators.
I seriously don't get the hate some of you have for this man. He fucked up, his life was over to him. I wish he had not done it in front of innocent bystanders, but I can kind of understand why he did it.
It's not like he used a shotgun. He basically has a small seizure.
His intent at some point was to off himself if he couldn't live the lifestyle he wanted, regardless of what real wealth he was leaving behind.
Wut. He was at rock bottom and now he was going to jail for approximately three years longer than the amount of time that usually means you can return to society and have anything resembling a life.
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.. he bought the cyanide crap over a year ago.
Because he has been contemplating suicide for a while. I don't get it. He didn't put it in your cereal.
You slept with mike so he would ban me. change your sig..the pretentious look how hipster face is so old ooh you like guys with glasses..ooooh
It's in my cereal!!
And by cereal I mean my news.
I don't have any hate for the guy but Im not going to sit here and feign sadness by saying "aww, he was broke. He lost everything so i can see why he swallowed cyanide. Poor guy" but completely ignore the fact that he kinda seemed like a douchebag that couldn't deal with not having a mansion and excessive status symbols.
He was an ex-wall street banker, a yale educated lawyer, and had two houses, one of which he had no problem keeping up on prior to his need for a 3.5 million dollar mansion. He wouldn't have been destitute. He wouldn't have been found under a bridge in florida getting his face munched. He would have been relatively fine.
Something like 70 percent of Americans are in debt. Yeah, maybe he was in a bit deeper but we don't all try to upgrade our lifestyle from comfortable to "super fuck yeah, check my 800 dollar boots that I hike around the world with"
levels.
The only part that annoys me is that a man that had the foundation, resources, experience, and capital to fix his shit by living without the upgrades decided that laws didn't apply to him and he would fix things by taking advantage wherever he could. Then he gets caught and offs himself. It's a slap in the face to so many people that follow the rules and can't get by. People would break their backs just trying to get half of what he had and he just wanted more. Yeah, that last line is probably just me being jealous but it doesn't negate the rest of it.
Don't hate him. Just don't get why I should feel sorry for him. Is it because he wasn't able to cope with losing everything? He was alive until the guilty verdict came in. Is it because
he had an insatiable urge for material gains, status symbols, and luxury? A void that can never be filled? A sickness that leaves him obsessed? Big deal, we all want cool shit.
Dying somehow makes him less of an asshole? No, it just makes him dead. Dead by choice even.
I get that suicide is sad and the strains and stresses put on those afflicted is immense. It's wretched. It's ruining. But I'm still not feeling pity on this guy. Call me cold.
Last edited by Creature Feature; 07-11-2012 at 08:13 PM.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/10/justic...html?hpt=ju_c1
Ohhhhh, Sheriff, you have a way with words."We assume that Marin made capsules out of this toxic substance before coming to court on June 28," he said. The product, which typically sells for $68 for 200 grams, was on sale this week for half off, Arpaio said.
I didn't realize this was Maricopa County, in which case Marin probably had the right idea. Going from a mansion to a "regular" jail (whatever that is) would have been a cakewalk compared to going from a mansion to Tent City in the AZ summertime.
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But don't we usually see suicides and say that its selfish? even in my own shit and what i've done, it was selfish. but then again when a parent offs their kids and then themselves we are always wtf, why not just off yourself and leave the kids out of it?
i dont know, he was in obviously a very bad place in his mind that he did what he did. Im just glad he didnt kill anyone else and only himself.
Yeah, I mean, he was crazy. Obviously. IN a wholw bunch of ways. This guy had come apart at the seams. You don't have to play a violin for him but hating him seems ridiculous.
You slept with mike so he would ban me. change your sig..the pretentious look how hipster face is so old ooh you like guys with glasses..ooooh
What's sad is that too many people feel they are only as valuable as what they have material wise and it gets to a point where in their mind it defines them.
It's sad. I do wonder if maybe part of what his reasoning was, was because of where he was going to be placed at. Isnt Maricopa like the worst? Especially in the heat. That's not even humane in my opinion.
Meh. I gave no fucks until this thread turned into a "why would anyone give fucks unless they are pity fucks" chorus. I don't think there is a reason to get all Westboro Baptist on this guy but I'm not going to say there isn't cause for dislike. It's completely reasonable to dislike him and his actions.
The only reason I took a minute to comment on this thread in the first place is that I don't like the idea of suicide, depression, and "ending up with nothing" excusing douchbagery when its present and accounted for. Other than that, I don't care about the dude...errr the corpse formally known as dude.
I'm with Creatch (nicely worded, by the way).
I don't hate the guy but I don't for one second feel sorry for him. It's not like he struggled his whole life only to lose everything. He was fine but it wasn't enough and he got greedy. And his greed transgressed to illegal activities that equated to theft and embezzlement. For which he had to pay for. I don't feel bad for him anymore than I would if some guy who raped and murdered and robbed and offed himself because he couldn't face the time he got for his crime.
In a world of haves and have nots I am most certainly a have not. And that definitely plays a part in my lack of empathy for this guy. Because to be a "have" and still not have enough, well that's just selfish and greedy. The way I see it, this guy was selfish in every level of his life, not just with his suicide.
Curious (and not being facetious) - what if Bernie Madoff chomped on a cyanide when he heard is verdict? Would anyone feel sorry for him?
Bernie Madoff was running an elaborate Ponzi scheme that fucked up the lives of a LOT of people. This dude fucked himself over. I don't see the two being comparable.
Very true.
Still don't feel bad for him (Marin). I DID feel terrible for Madoff's son though.
yeah but it's not fair that this guy was richer haha that's pretty much what I'm reading. Otherwise if this was just some loco who lost his job and torched his own trailer, it would be like oh this economy sucks bummer.
I think it's a hell of a lot worse to go from being a world traveler to dying in a studio apartment pair for by the government than to go from one level of poor to slightly poorer. I don't really know why green eyes acts like he did something to anyone else by killing himself. It's not like he committed hara kiri. It was a bloodless, quick death. Would you be like WHAT A DICK if it turned out he actually had a heart attack?
You slept with mike so he would ban me. change your sig..the pretentious look how hipster face is so old ooh you like guys with glasses..ooooh
Oh absolutely! He brought that shit on himself
But you make a good point. Maybe my issue is, people live with nothing their whole lives and manage to make do and yet he didn't even give it a try (forget the prison part - just the arson and theivery); he just bailed. So I'm thinking, pfft - pussy!
But I'm just a bitter old bitch
But the problem in America is that we are creating a new American dream in which people should 'make do' with their lot and not aspire to things like world traveling or even an annual vacation in a pleasant, relaxing setting.
No one knows how fragile being wealthy is like the rich. No one knows what a lie it is that people can work hard and earn their place as well as the rich. And if you fuck up, you're not going back up again unless your mommy and daddy are bailing you out.
You slept with mike so he would ban me. change your sig..the pretentious look how hipster face is so old ooh you like guys with glasses..ooooh
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