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    it is much easier to donate tissue and eyes (corneas) than it is organs. most people are not candidates to donate organs when they die, as most deaths are cardiac deaths and organ donation requires a brain death.

    i got to work with the donor network a few times since we keep the patient's stable for them before harvesting. it's really an awesome and interesting process, but it can be hard on families because they see the heartbeat, the blood pressure, and it just looks like a coma.

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    Maybe somebody can answer this if you get say a new liver can you find out who you got it from or is that confidential?
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    eh, I ticked all the boxes, and now have a sexy 'take my organs plz' card I carry around. I am also a loser and carry one that tells people I have pets at home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by puke View Post
    Maybe somebody can answer this if you get say a new liver can you find out who you got it from or is that confidential?
    I think you can send a letter to the transplant agency, and they can forward it to the family of the donor. If they chose to contact the person who received the organ, I think that's the only legit way to do it.

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    An interesting read

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/16/healt...udy/index.html

    Drug overdoses tied to 24-fold rise in organ transplants

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    https://www.icij.org/investigations/...ns-corruption/

    I remember the Mastromarino case he did organ harvesting.

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    All other issues aside, I think the biggest problem with organ donation is that it isn't mandatory unless someone opts out. I think the system is backwards. Instead of having to opt in, I think that people should have to opt out. So many organs go to waste, for no reason at all.

    Sadly, many of the same people that would never agree to donate their organs have no qualms about receiving an organ. We can't we all agree that most of us would want an organ if we needed it, and therefore we should pretty much all be willing to give whatever is needed when we die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raisedbywolves View Post
    All other issues aside, I think the biggest problem with organ donation is that it isn't mandatory unless someone opts out. I think the system is backwards. Instead of having to opt in, I think that people should have to opt out. So many organs go to waste, for no reason at all.

    Sadly, many of the same people that would never agree to donate their organs have no qualms about receiving an organ. We can't we all agree that most of us would want an organ if we needed it, and therefore we should pretty much all be willing to give whatever is needed when we die.
    I cant remember where I read it, but there are opt out countries. The particular one I read about had a stipulation that if you opt out as a donor, and end up needing an organ, you're on the bottom of the transplant list. I think it's an amazing idea, but I'm sure it wouldn't go over well in the US. The false idea of "they won't save me if I'm a donor" is way too rampant.

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    https://www.nbcnews.com/health/healt...splant-n868436
    Injured veteran gets first complete penis and scrotum transplant-Patient's lower abdomen was completely reconstructed

    “He is expected to be discharged from the hospital this week, and we are optimistic that he will regain near-normal urinary and sexual functions following full recovery,” Dr. Andrew Lee, the chairman of the Department of Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery at Johns Hopkins University, told reporters in a telephone briefing.
    Penis transplants are not completely new. In 2016, a 64-year-old man who lost his penis to cancer got a new organ and in 2015, a South African university said it had performed a successful penis transplant and said the patient had fathered a child.
    Plastic surgeons can perform penile reconstruction using a patient’s own skin but a transplant of an entire organ is much trickier.

    The Johns Hopkins team also gave the patient an infusion of the donor’s bone marrow to help his immune system accept the transplant. The hope is to reduce the need for anti-rejection drugs.

    It wasn’t easy finding a donor because the patient had a rare blood type, the surgeons said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raisedbywolves View Post

    Gives new meaning to "I wouldn't fuck her with someone else's dick!"

    In all seriousness, that's pretty awesome. I hope it works out for the patient!

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    https://www.dailytrust.com.ng/police...s-in-kogi.html

    Now a Nigerian Mob here has been accused of stealing organs from the victims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KambingSociety View Post
    https://www.dailytrust.com.ng/police...s-in-kogi.html

    Now a Nigerian Mob here has been accused of stealing organs from the victims.
    I'm not sure that was the intention of this thread.

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    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-12-...cking/10579738

    The criminal masterminds behind the illegal trade of human body parts raked in $2.3 billion around the globe last year.
    About 12,000 organs were sold on the black market, and while the majority of those exchanges involved kidneys, 654 hearts and 2,615 livers were sold for up to $394,000 each.

    That illegal trade will continue to grow if the Australian Government does not do more to deter human organ trafficking, according to a unanimous report handed down by a parliamentary committee.

    About 1,400 Australians are currently waiting for an organ transplant, while a further 11,000 are on kidney dialysis, and the committee found if the government failed to address the gap between the number of people requiring organ transplants and the limited supply of freely donated organs, the black market would keep flourishing

    The chairman of the Human Rights Sub-Committee of the Joint Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade, Liberal MP Kevin Andrews, told Parliament the average waiting time for a kidney in Australia was three years.

    "Desperate people often facing certain death without a transplant may travel far from their own countries to places such as Egypt, the Philippines or Pakistan, paying tens of thousands of dollars or more, for an organ transplant, where the donor is most likely in dire financial straits, possibly exploited, and unable to give free and informed consent to donation," Mr Andrews said.

    Cutting down demand
    The committee's report recommended the Australian Government pursue a range of measures to strengthen its involvement in international efforts to combat human organ trafficking, collect data on Australians involved in illegal organ trafficking overseas and also tighten criminal laws around organ harvesting.

    It also concluded the Government should seek to improve organ-donation rates through ongoing funding of programs, education awareness campaigns, and the investigation of other international programs ? such as opt-out organ donation.

    Mr Andrews said the committee heard from many people who argued protections against the practice needed to be strengthened.

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    https://www.theepochtimes.com/austra...t_2729557.html

    The Australian government needs to do more to combat organ trafficking and transplant tourism crimes, a report from a parliamentary inquiry has recommended.

    At least 12,000 organs were sold on the black market in 2017—a trade that is worth up to A$2.3 billion ($1.7 billion) globally each year.

    The report, released by the human rights sub-committee into human organ trafficking and organ transplant tourism on Dec. 3, made 12 recommendations to prevent the illegal trade of human organs in Australia and overseas.


    The inquiry—which arose from a series of private briefings with the Falun Dafa Association of Australia, former Canadian secretary of state for Asia-Pacific David Kilgour, and human rights lawyer David Matas—considered whether the country’s organ trafficking laws should be extended to prohibit citizens from travelling overseas for unethical transplants and whether Australia should accede to the 2014 Council of Europe Convention against Trafficking in Human Organs.

    According to in-depth investigations by Kilgour and Matas, China has been harvesting organs from prisoners of conscience on a mass scale—mainly Falun Dafa adherents—fuelling a multi-billion-dollar business that benefits CCP officials. Falun Dafa, or Falun Gong, is a traditional spiritual meditation practice that is heavily persecuted in China.

    During the inquiry that began last year, experts gave evidence of cases of transplant abuse that have been reportedly occurring in China as well as across the Asia-Pacific region. Experts said that organs used in transplants in China were allegedly sourced from political prisoners, prisoners of conscience, and executed prisoners.

    The committee said they were not in the position to decide on the truth of the allegations against the Chinese state but were “inclined to conclude that organ trafficking has occurred in China and may continue to occur, albeit on a lesser scale.” Given the Chinese Embassy’s silence on the allegations, the sub-committee recommended that the Australian government monitor and express concern about the Chinese Communist Party’s (CCP) transplantation practices.


    “The onus is on Chinese authorities to demonstrate to the world that they are not overseeing or permitting the practice of harvesting organs from executed prisoners without their knowledge and free consent. In the absence of such a demonstration … the world is entitled to question assertions of claims to the contrary,” the report stated.

    Australia Should Sign Convention
    Meanwhile, the report also recommended that Australia should accede to the 2014 Council of Europe Convention—a treaty that has governments criminalise certain forms of organ transplantation, including where the donor is not freely consenting, or where the donor or a third party receives financial gain from the transaction.

    “Australia has an obligation to demonstrate leadership as a notable organ-importing jurisdiction, and now has the opportunity to do so through accession to the convention,” it said.

    Madeleine Bridgett, a member of Australian Lawyers for Human Rights, previously told the inquiry in June that Australia could play a leading role in the Asia-Pacific region “in ensuring all Australians are sourcing organs legally and ethically.”

    To date, 23 nations have signed the convention, while Albania, the Czech Republic, Malta, Norway, and Moldova have also ratified the treaty.

    Australian Laws Not Strong Enough
    A spokeswoman for NSW Greens MLC David Shoebridge told The Epoch Times that the recommendations from the report are a “clear recognition” that New South Wales (NSW) and Australian laws are not currently strong enough to deter Australians from participating in the unethical sourcing of human organs while overseas.


    “I think the report writers have rightly not accepted the position that what is being done [by China] is sufficient,” she said. “What we are calling for [the federal government] to do is to take immediate action on it.”

    Shoebridge is seeking to pass a bill in the NSW Parliament that will “at the very least” will prohibit members of the NSW community going overseas and buying illegally harvested organs.

    The bill includes amendments to the state’s Human Tissue Act 1983 requiring medical professionals to report to the NSW Secretary of Health when they believe that one of their patients has received an organ from a non-consenting donor.

    With the NSW government elections fast approaching in March, Shoebridge’s office said, “We’ll will be looking for both parties to support the moves we’ve made in NSW.”



    Real Bodies Exhibition Sydney 2018
    Real Bodies: The Exhibition opened to the public in Sydney, Australia, on April 14, 2018, with protestors gathering out the front of the venue to voice their concerns over the sourcing of the real human corpses on display. (Melanie Sun/The Epoch Times)
    The report also stated that the controversial Real Bodies exhibition is illustrative of an apparent gap in Australia’s current legislation.

    The exhibition of 20 plastinated human bodies and 200 plastinated body parts was on display to the paying public at Sydney’s Entertainment Quarter for six months despite serious ethical concerns that the exhibitor Imagine Exhibitions had no consent documents or identification papers to confirm the origin of the bodies.


    In a statement to Newscorp, president of Imagine Exhibitions Tom Zaller, said he had been assured by his business partner, Dr. Sui Hongjin, that the cadavers were “legally donated,” unclaimed bodies sourced from the city morgue in Dalian, China, from individuals who had died from “natural causes.”

    But Kilgour told News.Com.Au that he “worried greatly that none of what is claimed for the exhibits is correct,” based on what he had uncovered in his extensive research.

    Various reports also corroborate Kilgour’s concerns. The sub-committee cited a 2004 Der Spiegel report mentioning that multiple human cadavers sourced from Sui between 2000 and 2004 were observed to have bullet holes in their skulls. Sui had also stated in email correspondence dated Dec. 29, 2001, that he had obtained two “very fresh” cadavers which had just been shot and had their livers removed, allegedly for transplantation purposes.

    Shoebridge said that when the Real Bodies exhibition opened in NSW, “we found that the NSW Police were unable to intervene because the law did not provide clear enough guidance that this was an offence under NSW law,” according to statement.


    Given the strong assertions made in the sub-committee’s report, Shoebridge said on Dec. 4, “We must urgently implement the recommendations of this report to ensure any bodies brought into this country for display have fully and freely consented.”

    Demand Driving Black Market
    The report concluded that the gap between the number of people who needed an organ and the number of organs available is driving demand in the illegal trade of human organs.

    The committee’s chair, Liberal MP Kevin Andrews, said that when patients become desperate, they may turn to transplant tourism.


    “This practice gives hope to the desperate but comes with serious medical risk both for the donor and the organ reciprocates and often exploits the poorest and most vulnerable in communities,” he said in a statement.

    In Australia, more than 1,400 people are waiting for an organ, while a further 11,000 are on kidney dialysis.

    The report recommended that in order to address the shortfall, the federal government should improve organ donation rates through a number of measures like funding and awareness campaigns. But policy and legislative measures should be strengthened to prevent citizens from obtaining illegal transplants in Australia or overseas.

    The government will have three months as set by the Senate to respond to the recommendations in the report.

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    Does KS have us all on mute? Does KS ever read old threads before bumping them with random, barely related articles?


    These are the questions we ask ourselves in utter bewilderment on a daily basis

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    Wow big update on the Holiday Organ Spectacular Concert

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    Quote Originally Posted by blighted star View Post
    Does KS have us all on mute? Does KS ever read old threads before bumping them with random, barely related articles?


    These are the questions we ask ourselves in utter bewilderment on a daily basis
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    Quote Originally Posted by blighted star View Post
    Does KS have us all on mute? Does KS ever read old threads before bumping them with random, barely related articles?


    These are the questions we ask ourselves in utter bewilderment on a daily basis
    I don't come here as often as I used to, but I don't think I've seen KS actually interact with other members here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    I don't come here as often as I used to, but I don't think I've seen KS actually interact with other members here.
    Rarely, and only if you have some comment about vigilantes pretty much.

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    https://abc7chicago.com/health/texas...ssion/5147208/

    LUBBOCK. Texas -- A grandmother in Lubbock says she has a lot of questions after she found out doctors may have harvested her 10-year-old granddaughter's organs without permission.

    Rebecca Villarreall says that four days after her granddaughter Elaina Castilleja died, a memo was sent to the doctor who would perform Elaina's autopsy, giving instructions to harvest her organs.

    The letter, signed by chief medical examiner Dr. Sam Andrews, instructs the doctor to preserve the brain, but remove the cervical spine, eyes, lungs and more.

    "We did not sign up for this. I knew she had to have an autopsy but this is remove her, remove this. She was 10 years old," Villarreall told KLBK.

    Villarreall adopted Elaina when she was one year old. Elaina suffered most of her life from the effects of Shaken Baby Syndrome.

    Villarreall said she was told that because of the syndrome, an autopsy needed to be done, but she never agreed to organs being harvested.

    "They literally disassembled my child. She wasn't a manufactured home. She wasn't a toy. She wasn't a doll. She was a person," Villarreall said.

    It's unknown why Dr. Andrews and the pathology labs requested the organs to be taken out or whether the doctor followed through on those instructions.

    "Who are these monsters? These are monsters. Who are these people? I didn't sign no papers. I didn't sign for them to disassemble," Villarreall said.

    In a situation like this, experts say that the law is complicated. It usually comes down to a question of ethics.

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    https://www.theguardian.com/law/2019...an-tourism-ban

    An update UK is in talks to ban organ harvesting tourism to China.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KambingSociety View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by KambingSociety View Post
    https://www.theguardian.com/law/2019...an-tourism-ban

    An update UK is in talks to ban organ harvesting tourism to China.
    NONE OF THIS IS ORGAN DONATION. You have totally missed the whole point of this thread.

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