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    Life Goes On: Organ Donation Thread

    Do you have a question about organ donation? Are you a donor? Do you not understand why others are/aren't? Do you wish to add a clause saying that you will not donate to anyone who molests children and/or eats animals? If so, you've come to the right place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beli View Post
    I think some people have a problem with it bc they want the body to look nice for viewing. Also, some think doctors will not try hard enough to save them if they know the patient is a donor. Sounds crazy, but I've heard it said before.
    Viewings are 100% possible when someone is an organ and/or tissue donor. The only time this would be affected is if the donated tissue was the face. I guess I should include that because there have been several cases of face donors. Otherwise, a viewing for a funeral is 100% possible. I think people get misconstrued because they find out someone was an organ and/or tissue donor and had a closed casket. This occurred because the family chose it, or the person had trauma that caused their death didn't allow for an open casket. But, because people heard the person was a donor, it must have been because of it (sarcasm).

    Doctor's have no idea when a patient is an organ donor. EMS personnel do not look at ID's prior to bringing a patient into the ER. They are too busy trying to save the patient's life to know or care if the patient is a donor. Likewise with the ER staff. The ER staff busts a nut trying to save the patients life. If the patient came into the ER because of, say, a car accident, the local LE probably has the ID. They need the ID to contact the next of kin. Sometimes LE will come to the ER to see if any labs have been drawn (as an example) because they suspect the accident occurred under the influence. The cops don't interrupt the life saving measures that are taking place to inform the ER staff the patient has a green sticker on his/her license.
    When a patient has been intubated and placed on the mechanical ventilator they may become brain dead. This is NOT declared in the ER. Diagnostic testing must be complete in order to declare brain death. Most hospitals have a policy where diagnostic testing must be completed 12 hours apart, prior to brain death being declared. This is only to appease the organ donor haters because if someone doesn't have any brain activity right now, they ain't gonna have it in 12 hours.

    beli- I know you didn't express these as your own personal beliefs and were only sharing what you have heard.

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    What if one is a Time Lord and has two hearts? As with kidneys, can we just donate one if a loved one is in need? I'm sure an episode has addressed this, but I can't recall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by White trash bitchy blonde View Post
    Oh and I will say to Dana, that you would never even know anyways who your organs went to. I don't even believe it to be fair that a moral compass is used to decipher who should be able to cntinue on living and who shouldnt. Very slippery slope and not a very good one to use.

    Lines should be drawn in the sand and there should be no rules other than imo, a look at their past health issues and how they dealt with them. I think organs should be placed with people who are genuinely doing everything to live and are fighting for that chance and we have to leave that decision to their Dr's on whether they get to be on a transplant list or not.
    Makes sense and agree. Sadly, I don't believe doctors get to choose. Or maybe I've been watching too much Grey's Anatomy Aren't there certain things that disqualify you from getting a transplant?

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    The hospital that my friend was at, the one with the fever (it was 105), they said his organs couldnt be donated but I never asked specifics on it but am curious about this.

    I would like to know:

    1. When a person is on life support and clearly no brain activity, how do they know that person's organs are okay or safe for a transplant?
    2. How long can the organs be left without oxygen being pumped into them before they are considered not useable?
    3. When the donated organs are taken out, and the family still wants an open casket, are there certain measures that have to be taken because basically a bunch of stuff was taken out and now their is alot of room in there? I just imagine like a body being caved in because things have been taken out.
    4. A friend of mine received a kidney years back, he had complete kidney loss and was on dialysis. They called him in and he was given one kidney. He got really sick and they found out that the kidney was bad. Makes me wonder about the screening process or if the kidney like 'died' en route to the patient?
    5. Are there any certain body parts that absolutely cannot be used no matter how healthy or sick the organ donor was when they were deceased?
    6. Does a person have to be on life support in order for surgeons to get the parts? In other words, a person dies at home and an ambulance picks their body up and taken to the morgue and they know he is a donor........can they still take parts from the person?

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    Quote Originally Posted by White trash bitchy blonde View Post
    The hospital that my friend was at, the one with the fever (it was 105), they said his organs couldnt be donated but I never asked specifics on it but am curious about this.

    I would like to know:

    1. When a person is on life support and clearly no brain activity, how do they know that person's organs are okay or safe for a transplant?
    2. How long can the organs be left without oxygen being pumped into them before they are considered not useable?
    3. When the donated organs are taken out, and the family still wants an open casket, are there certain measures that have to be taken because basically a bunch of stuff was taken out and now their is alot of room in there? I just imagine like a body being caved in because things have been taken out.
    4. A friend of mine received a kidney years back, he had complete kidney loss and was on dialysis. They called him in and he was given one kidney. He got really sick and they found out that the kidney was bad. Makes me wonder about the screening process or if the kidney like 'died' en route to the patient?
    5. Are there any certain body parts that absolutely cannot be used no matter how healthy or sick the organ donor was when they were deceased?
    6. Does a person have to be on life support in order for surgeons to get the parts? In other words, a person dies at home and an ambulance picks their body up and taken to the morgue and they know he is a donor........can they still take parts from the person?
    depends what the person died from: if the person was shot, or in a car accident then more than likely, (depending on the victim's lifestyle) their organs are fine for donation, because they died of some unrelated disease. like if they committed suicide by shooting themselves in the head, then their heart, lungs, kidneys ect would be fine for donation as long as they were found in a state in which they could be put on life support.

    life support only does the things your brain can no longer do for the person, breath and pump oxygen into the body - the organs should be able to continue to function. the heart does not operate under neural control. it has its own electrical system, (i.e how people can have a beating heart while brain dead) so as long as that can function, then it should be viable for donation.

    as far as time frames and such, im not sure on details - but i know that it needs to be within a relatively short amount of time, 24 hours maybe? 36?

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    1. If a patient is declared brain dead and has no pre existing conditions, they do a number of tests to check lab levels for the organs. Specific tests indicate the health of the organ. If the cause of brain death is trauma related, then those areas affected by the trauma are not suitable for transplant.

    2. It depends on the organ. You have only about 6 hours to transplant a heart from the time it leaves the donors body. They all must be packed on ice. Kidneys have about 12 hours, and the time for other organs varies as well.

    3. Surgeons only do what is necessary to remove organs, in most cases very small incisions. The body is then sewn back together with minimal change to it's appearance. Also, the funeral homes are very adept at making a body look "natural" for viewing, no worries.

    4. I'm sorry about your friend. Did you know that you only need about 1/5 (one fifth) of one kidney to function normally? When you have kidney disease, what they call ESRD or end stage renal disease, you're in for a ton of craziness. The diseased kidneys can't filter out the byproducts of metabolism and the kidney can't clean the blood like it is supposed to. Organs work best in the body they originate in. Putting them in another body, no matter how "close" a match they are, is not the ideal situation. The screening process is very thorough with regard to the medical testing, but a thorough history has to be obtained from the donor family and the recipient family in order to help ensure better success.

    5. The transplant team and organ procurement professionals will decide what parts are suitable for donation so the final word lay with them. They look at the organs physically and check lab values and decide what can be donated and what can't.

    6 Sorry, but they do. You can't die at home and transplant your organs. Organs must have a continuous blood and oxygen supply to be suitable for transplantation. Typically, only individuals who have been determined brain dead in a hospital intensive care unit, have the potential to be organ donors. However, tissue and eye donation can occur when someone dies at home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by White trash bitchy blonde View Post
    The hospital that my friend was at, the one with the fever (it was 105), they said his organs couldnt be donated but I never asked specifics on it but am curious about this.

    I would like to know:

    1. When a person is on life support and clearly no brain activity, how do they know that person's organs are okay or safe for a transplant?
    2. How long can the organs be left without oxygen being pumped into them before they are considered not useable?
    3. When the donated organs are taken out, and the family still wants an open casket, are there certain measures that have to be taken because basically a bunch of stuff was taken out and now their is alot of room in there? I just imagine like a body being caved in because things have been taken out.
    4. A friend of mine received a kidney years back, he had complete kidney loss and was on dialysis. They called him in and he was given one kidney. He got really sick and they found out that the kidney was bad. Makes me wonder about the screening process or if the kidney like 'died' en route to the patient?
    5. Are there any certain body parts that absolutely cannot be used no matter how healthy or sick the organ donor was when they were deceased?
    6. Does a person have to be on life support in order for surgeons to get the parts? In other words, a person dies at home and an ambulance picks their body up and taken to the morgue and they know he is a donor........can they still take parts from the person?
    I had too many characters and had to split this post up. The numbers below correspond to the numbers in the questions above.


    1. Someone is declared brain dead and the OPO (Organ Procurement Organization) is contacted for a potential organ donor. The OPO will discuss organ donation with the family. In most states, if you have it on your driver's license, state ID, or have registered to be an organ donor, it is a legally binding contract. If the person is listed as a registered donor, the family isn't asked if it is ok. The discussion is geared towards letting the family know that their loved one entered into the contract and what will be happening. If the person is not registered, we will talk with the family and ask for consent. Once this is done, the OPO will start ordering diagnostic testing to determine what function the organs have. This can be in the form of blood work, which determines all organ function (just like the blood work you have to check your thyroid, heart, cholesterol, blood gases, kidneys, liver,etc.), EKG/Echo for heart function, Bronchoscopy to look at the lungs, chest xrays to see heart and lungs, these are just a few out of several tests available. Placing organs can take several hours, and by several hours, I mean up to 24 hours. During this time, testing continues to happen to determine organ function. Because the person is dead, their body is not producing the normal "chemicals" living people do. As Organ Transplant Coordinators, it is our job to know what medications/drips and how much, to provide to the donors to keep the organs viable (good) for transplant into a recipient. This is how it is determined if they are okay and/or safe to transplant. Also when the OPO is contacted, UNOS is contacted (http://www.unos.org/). They are the ones that are in charge of the national list for every waiting recipient, for every organ. They "police" the industry to make sure that policies and regulations are being followed. We give them the donors age, weight, height, and blood type. They provide the list. The list starts out local, then state, then regional, then national. This is why placing the organs take so long. The first step is to call the first transplant center (where the recipient will be receiving the organ)on the list. We talk to that Organ Transplant Coordinator (give all diagnostic testing information, medical/social background), they talk to the transplant surgeon, transplant surgeon decides if he/she thinks the organ is "healthy" enough for the recipient (if no, we move on to the next on the list.) If the surgeon wants it for his/her recipient, they call the recipient and offer it to them. It is required, by law, to disclose all pertinent info to the recipient and they decide if they want to "take the chance" on that organ. If a heart and/or lungs are the organs being offered. The recipient transplant center comes to the donor. That means if the donor is in Cincinnati and the potential recipient is in Cleveland, the Cleveland team has to come to Cincinnati to get it. This is because the surgeon wants to see the organ(s) in person. There are some things that you can't see on diagnostic testing and can only see "in person." This is another way the transplant team determines if the organ is okay to transplant.

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    3. Open caskets. Organ and tissue donation does not affect open caskets, at all. Although there may be missing organs from the body cavity, the funeral homes have equipment to aid in this (KWD might have better/more info on this). I know that some funeral homes use some type of cap to place under the eyelids and under the lips to keep shape/form to the face. I believe this is done to everyone, not just donors. Think of The Godfather where the Don puts the orange peel in his mouth to scare the kid. That's what the caps make me think of. Also, another fun fact. When an autopsy is perform, most morgues (hospital and coroner) DO NOT place organs back into the body. The organs are placed in a pan of formalin (formaldehyde) until the final pathology report is final. Once the path report is final, the pan is dumped and your organs get incinerated. When I performed autopsies, the only time we placed organs back into a body is if we knew the patient was Jewish. Other than that, they were a pan in a man.

    4. The thing about organ donation is that it is a risk and none of the organs are guaranteed to work once they are transplanted. Remember, they are still foreign to the recipient. There is no way to know 100% if an organ will function upon transplantation. Even with all of the diagnostic testing and visualization. It is an "educated guess." Transplant recipients can reject an organ at any time. Soon after the transplant or years down the line. It doesn't have anything to do with the screening process, really. It's really no different with a knee replacement. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. Really.

    5. The only solid organs that are transplantable are: heart, lungs, liver, pancreas, kidneys, and small bowel. As far as tissue: skin (skin is technically and organ, but for transplantation purposes falls under tissue), heart valves, bone, ligaments, veins, and arteries. Corneas are also transplanted. Faces and hands are now being transplanted as well. Skin with a tattoo cannot be transplanted.

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    6. No. You do not need to be on mechanical ventilation in order to be eligible to donate organs. I know in previous posts, I probably said you had to, but it was really because things are complicated. There are two types of organ donors; Brain Dead and Cardiac Dead (DCD-Donation after Cardiac Death, formerly known as NHBD-Non Heart Beating Donor). Brain death is defined as the irreversible cessation of all functions of the entire brain, including the brain stem. A physician, in accordance with accepted medical standards and following the hospital policy, must make the diagnosis of brain death. The time of brain death determination is the legal time of death. The physician who declares brain death cannot be the physician who recovers the donated organs.
    DCD- For donation after cardiac death to occur the following circumstances must exist: 1)A patient has suffered devastating and unrecoverable illness or injury and is ventilator dependent, 2)The family has decided to withdraw mechanical ventilation, 3)Death from cardiorespiratory arrest is likely to occur within 60-120 minutes following withdrawal of mechanical support. DCD is done in a controlled setting. This means that someone is on mechanical ventilation, but has lost most of their brain stem reflexes and WILL NOT recover. Death is imminent. This is not a coma. This is someone who WILL DIE SOON after the "plug is pulled." It is done at the hospital and depending on the hospital policy can occur in a few ways; 1) The patient is extubated in the hospital room. When they take their last breath, the hospital staff wait 5 minutes to see if the person will breathe again. If they don't, then cardiac death is declared and the donor is moved down to the operating room (there is usually hospital staff manning elevators and hallways to assure a quick trip to the OR). 2) The donor is brought down to the OR, extubated, wait for last breath, wait 5 minutes, then proceed. Sometimes the families want to go to the OR with their loved one to say their good-byes. Time is given to the family and when they leave, the donor is extubated and the process starts. The doctor that declares cardiac death is NOT part of the transplant team, either donor or recipient. DCD donors take far less time than a Brain Dead (BD) donor. Kidneys are the most used organs from a DCD donor, then livers, then pancreas. Hearts, lungs, and small bowel are not being transplanted from DCD donors. DCD donors is how organ donation came to be with the first transplant performed in the 1960's with a set of twins. Coordinators use to be on call. They would get a call from the hospital saying someone was dead. The coordinators would call surgeons and they would go to the OR. Because of he ischemic time (time without oxygen/perfusion) the organs failed many times and/or had poor performance. Brain death was discovered and organ donation evolved into it is today. Can someone die out side of the hospital and donate organs? No. Tissue? Yes. You cannot die at home, in a car accident, fall off a horse, etc., and be an organ donor. However, you may still be eligible for tissue and eye donation. Tissue has a longer "shelf life." I am less familiar with tissue donation, but I do know that some tissues can be procured HOURS after death. Some tissue has up to 12-14 hours to be procured. Tissue is also processed and packaged, given an ID number and put on a shelf. When tissue transplants are done, the hospitals can "put and order in" and it can be filled. Somewhat like a distribution center or blood.

    I know this is really long and a lot of information. I wanted to give you as many details as I can to explain the process. I also hope that I answered your questions and if this has raised anymore, bring it on baby! :-)

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    Im going to back up what Morbid is saying: EMS workers and doctors do not concern themselves with who is an organ donor and who isnt. From what i have seen, once a person is declared brain dead and is on life support, then the discussion begin with the family about organ donation.

    I set people up for surgeries and i know that "organ donation" isnt a question asked to patients before any kind of surgery. The only question that is asked is whether they would take blood or blood products if necessary in a life saving situation.

    Just to state it, i would donate anything except my eyes - corneas, because im just scared of eyeballs, and i just... no. i want to keep my eyes. take anything else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZoMyGoddess! View Post
    Im going to back up what Morbid is saying: EMS workers and doctors do not concern themselves with who is an organ donor and who isnt. From what i have seen, once a person is declared brain dead and is on life support, then the discussion begin with the family about organ donation.

    I set people up for surgeries and i know that "organ donation" isnt a question asked to patients before any kind of surgery. The only question that is asked is whether they would take blood or blood products if necessary in a life saving situation.

    Just to state it, i would donate anything except my eyes - corneas, because im just scared of eyeballs, and i just... no. i want to keep my eyes. take anything else.
    A reason why people aren't asked if they want to be donors prior to surgeries is because a procurement can't happen (in the OR) just because someone died during surgery and is already in the OR. This is another myth that I have heard over the years. BTW, I'm not saying you said this, I just thought it was a good opportunity to address it:-)

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    Hahhaa Zo, I said the same thing about my eyeballs too but really, once we are dead we wont feel the tugging and pulling and ripping out that comes along with the donation.
    See, if we (meaning you and me that like our eyeballs and are freaked out about it) are dead, we know the difference so let's unite here together in front of all our morbid death seeking online friends that yes, we dont want our eyeballs taken but when we die they can do whatever.

    Also, when I die I think it would be wonderful for all of you to show up at my funeral service and talk to my family members but when you do, address me by 'WTBB' or 'White trash bitchy blonde' and also introduce yourselves to my family and friends using your screen names here. Oh, and bring my boob pics with you in a nice frame and proclaim to my family how much you all loved me on the 'death site'.

    This would be awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by White trash bitchy blonde View Post
    Hahhaa Zo, I said the same thing about my eyeballs too but really, once we are dead we wont feel the tugging and pulling and ripping out that comes along with the donation.
    See, if we (meaning you and me that like our eyeballs and are freaked out about it) are dead, we know the difference so let's unite here together in front of all our morbid death seeking online friends that yes, we dont want our eyeballs taken but when we die they can do whatever.

    Also, when I die I think it would be wonderful for all of you to show up at my funeral service and talk to my family members but when you do, address me by 'WTBB' or 'White trash bitchy blonde' and also introduce yourselves to my family and friends using your screen names here. Oh, and bring my boob pics with you in a nice frame and proclaim to my family how much you all loved me on the 'death site'.

    This would be awesome.
    anyone that knows me, knows i wanna keep my eyeballs hahahahah - anyways, im sooo fucking blind, no one wants my fucked mis-shapen corneas. theyd open their eyes and be like WTF!!! lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZoMyGoddess! View Post
    anyone that knows me, knows i wanna keep my eyeballs hahahahah - anyways, im sooo fucking blind, no one wants my fucked mis-shapen corneas. theyd open their eyes and be like WTF!!! lol
    Do you need a cornea transplant? jk You can still donate cornea's if you were glasses or contacts. I'm not sure about the mis-shape. I need to find that out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by White trash bitchy blonde View Post
    Hahhaa Zo, I said the same thing about my eyeballs too but really, once we are dead we wont feel the tugging and pulling and ripping out that comes along with the donation.
    See, if we (meaning you and me that like our eyeballs and are freaked out about it) are dead, we know the difference so let's unite here together in front of all our morbid death seeking online friends that yes, we dont want our eyeballs taken but when we die they can do whatever.

    Also, when I die I think it would be wonderful for all of you to show up at my funeral service and talk to my family members but when you do, address me by 'WTBB' or 'White trash bitchy blonde' and also introduce yourselves to my family and friends using your screen names here. Oh, and bring my boob pics with you in a nice frame and proclaim to my family how much you all loved me on the 'death site'.

    This would be awesome.
    I think that would be freaking awesome and hilarious! I would totes come! Procurement is actually performed just like any other surgery. There is an incision made just like any other surgery. If it is only heart, then an incision is made just like heart surgery. If it is just liver and kidneys, then it is an incision on the belly. If it involves thoracic and abdominal organs, then an incision from the chest down the belly is done. For eyes, it's just like having lasix. Instruments are put under the eye lid to keep it open and the tissue/muscle around the eye is dissected.

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    From Dana in the Colby thread:

    Thank You. Yes!

    I'm actually not completely opposed to hunting, I would MUCH rather people do that than consume farm factory products. It's healthier too. When I think hunting for fun, I think canned hunting too. That came to mind when I wrote that too. And people who run down animals for fun. 2 dog were killed intentionally not too long ago, the family was devastated.

    I'm sorry if my wording isn't right. I'm trying to make it clear that I don't expect people to share these views with me (which I've said many times). I don't like that people have attacked me off of assumptions, that really has happened numerous times. I even said I respectfully agree to disagree. It's not a big deal. I'm not sitting on this side of the computer saying "Man, these people are stupid! They are murderers who are evil and deserve to die!" Not at all. I'm a very compassionate person, but it burns me up inside hearing stories (I've heard SO many) of people getting a 2nd set of organs because they ruined theirs, then they do the same to the 2nd batch. If I give my organs away, I want to know that the people are contributing to society and helping build our future for the better.
    I am completly against canned hunting and think it's disgusting. I also don't like poachers but when times are really tough and people need to feed their families I am not going to go off and say they are assholes for trying to provide for their fmailies. Still, the rule applies in my book that all parts are used. People who poach or legally hunt only for hides or horns piss me off.
    I do understand where you are coming from on wantng your organs to be appreciated and all i can say to that is that even if a person was in prison for murder, and even tho I feel they are shit off my shoes, they still have a right to live. Im actually really suprised at myself for feeling that way. The dr's don't know the moral integrity of their patients that need organs so basically being an organ donor means you are just an organ donor and you cannot stipulate who gets what and why.
    All anyone can do is hope for the best for that person.
    Oh and that heartbreaking time when the fmaily has to figure out of they want to donate, for me personally and not speaking for anyone else but even though i know someone will benefit from my loss, it's hard to set aside the emotions and thoughts of your loved one being 'cut up for parts'. That would be me that would be so upset that i wouldnt be able to make a decision fast enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by White trash bitchy blonde View Post
    All anyone can do is hope for the best for that person.
    Oh and that heartbreaking time when the fmaily has to figure out of they want to donate, for me personally and not speaking for anyone else but even though i know someone will benefit from my loss, it's hard to set aside the emotions and thoughts of your loved one being 'cut up for parts'. That would be me that would be so upset that i wouldnt be able to make a decision fast enough.
    That's why it's so important to decide this for yourself and set it in stone so your family doesn't have to make the decision. I think it's a relief to families when the decision is already made.

    I still don't know if I'd rather donate my body for education purposes or just keep myself as an organ donor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by White trash bitchy blonde View Post
    The dr's don't know the moral integrity of their patients that need organs so basically being an organ donor means you are just an organ donor and you cannot stipulate who gets what and why. All anyone can do is hope for the best for that person.
    Oh and that heartbreaking time when the fmaily has to figure out of they want to donate, for me personally and not speaking for anyone else but even though i know someone will benefit from my loss, it's hard to set aside the emotions and thoughts of your loved one being 'cut up for parts'. That would be me that would be so upset that i wouldnt be able to make a decision fast enough.
    The transplant surgeons actually know the recipients pretty well. Prior to being listed on an organ waiting list there is a battery of tests and counseling. Not all transplant centers require the same things of/from their recipients, but most agree on most things. Each transplant center has a committee. The committee is typically made up of staff from the hospital. It could be a Pharmacist, Accountant, Nurse, Human Resources, Medical Lab Tech, etc. Then you have representatives from organ procurement and the recipient side (recipient transplant nurses). Each week, the committee meets to discuss who should get on the list that week. Their whole life is laid out. What kind of student they are/have been, how many children they have, how old are the children, any in college? grandkids? hobbies? own a home? rent? cars? boats? recreational vehicles? fishing? bowling? shopping? crossword puzzles? drug/alcohol history? jail/prison time? tattoos? how recent? piercings? suicidal thoughts? attempts? rehab? military service? how long? medals or awards? memberships? professional, military, fun? medical history? family support? who will be making sure you will take your meds, follow drs orders, make appointments? who is financially responsible for you? I'm not kidding. The committee knows everything about you.
    Here is what a committee meeting might consist of:

    Two patients are being presented to be listed for a liver. Patient #1 is a 22 year old female. She had her first child at 16. Dropped out of school. partied hard. Is in need of a liver because she did ecstasy and fucked hers up. She lives in a condo that her mom and aunt purchased for her and her child. She drives a car that her mom paid for. She got her GED and is in college because her mom and aunt want her to be there. She has failed a couple of classes because she didn't go to class, they were too early. She has a history of missing doctor's appointments. her mom and aunt do their best to make sure that she gets up and goes to her doc appts. Her mom and aunt help watch the patient's child, along with daycare at her college. She receives disability and is on welfare and receives medicaid. because her condo and car are not in her name, she does not have to list them as assets. her mom and aunt purchase any medication that is not covered by local and/or state insurance programs. She likes to shop, get her hair and nails done, eat sushi, hang out with her friends. She has never held a job because she has not found one that she likes.
    Patient # 2 is a 48 year old male. He has three children. One is a freshmen in college, with two at home. He is a HS graduate. He served in the military and is an active member with the AmVets. He has been married for 28 years to his high school sweetheart. He owns a modest home where he has lived for 25 years. He owns two vehicles, a boat, and two 4-wheelers. He enjoys spending time with his family fishing and riding 4-wheelers on his property. He is a Nascar fan and met Dale Earnhardt once. He goes to church and volunteers his time there. He lost his job when he became ill and could no longer work. He fought disability for 3 years before they finally approved him. His wife had to get two jobs. He has to pay for private insurance because he is not eligible for medicaid because of his assets, like his home and retirement fund. No drug, alcohol, or jail history. He loves politics. He makes all of his appts, keeps a journal regarding his medical problems/history, takes his meds as directed. He needs a liver because his crapped out (something that happens that has nothing to do with anything).

    Who do you list? Why? Why not? Here's how it went. I voted for Patient #2. He has a proven track record of being responsible and a productive member of society. He also did not cause his liver damage.
    I didn't vote for Patient #1 because she has not shown any type of responsibility in her life and she has not been a productive member of society. She only received her GED and in college because of family pressure. Her mom, aunt, and the system pay for her survival. She has a history of missing appts and has consumed alcohol and smoked cigarettes as recently as three months ago. She also caused her liver damage through illicit drug usage.
    How it went. Patient #1 was listed. The committee felt that she has more to live for than Patient #2. Patient #1 was young and had a young child. She had the potential to live a long time and Patient #2 already has lived into middle age and has had a very nice life. The committee felt that patient #2 would "get serious" when she received a new liver.


    Do I want to be the one who "judges" who should get on the waiting list? No. I hated it. But, it was my job. One of the purposes of having the committee is to determine if the potential recipient will take care of their second chance at life. Does tattoos and piercing and what kind of music you listen to matter? Not to me, unless the tattoo is fresh and you have been told not to get anymore, then you go to the bottom of my list.

    Patient #2 eventually made it on the waiting list. The committee meeting that week was very heated. VERY. HEATED.

    As far as the emotions of being asked to donate when you have just lost a loved one, my experience is that families who said no regretted it more often than not. It is a very traumatic time. Very emotional. The grief the families are facing and here I am asking for their loved ones organs. That is one reason why it is so important to discuss the issue before you die. Let your family know your wishes, register to be a donor, don't let it fall to your family to decide. It takes a lot of pressure off of the surviving family.

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    Here's my thing with the clusterfuck the Colby thread turned into. You know how anti capital punishment people say "If one innocent person dies, it's not worth it"? Why is it ok if you withhold a live saving organ from someone, someone who meets all moral/ethical standards you hold, on the off chance the person who gets your organ is an asshole?

    I know it's not exactly the same thing, just trying to draw a parallel.

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    i didnt really get into the Colby thread, but is there someone REALLY saying that they dont want their non meating eating organs going to a meat eater.

    pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease tell me it aint so.

    listen, once youre dead, that its it. yes, i dont want my eyes torn out of my head, but if it is, well what the fuck am i gonna do about it... NUTHIN.

    i can see that you wouldnt want your organs going to some child toucher or killer or asshole - but what can you really do? maybe, getting your organ will turn that fuckface's life around - but just saying, if youre a kid toucher or serial killer, youre probably not high on the recipient list for whatever circumstances - no insurance, or lifestyle that isnt conducive to organ transplantation. Like, if i died, and my heart went to Dick Cheney, i would have punch one million dead afterlife babies... but what the fuck are the chances. and chances are you dont know or do not give any fucks.
    whatever man, youre dead. let go. walk into the light or some shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZoMyGoddess! View Post
    Like, if i died, and my heart went to Dick Cheney, i would have punch one million dead afterlife babies... but what the fuck are the chances. and chances are you dont know or do not give any fucks.
    whatever man, youre dead. let go. walk into the light or some shit.


    Well, alright then.

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    I am a donor, they can take what is not damaged from my abuse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by g r ee n ey e s View Post
    I am a donor, they can take what is not damaged from my abuse.
    I'm actually sad to learn skin donations come from the back, and tattoos prohibit that. I got Rican thighs though, maybe they'll make an exception haha

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    Yea, I'd hate to save a dick (Cheney). It may make me an ass, but his life is less worthy than... well, anyone's. Heheh. But statistics win out for me.

    How about selling organs? Legal or nay? My body, my choice.
    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphim View Post
    Why not just be an adult and go forward with your life. You do know the reps aren't real money or anything right?

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