Texas dad kills man molesting 4 yr old daughter after hearing her scream

[emmieslost]

when an abused women kills her abuser, it isn't necessarily premeditated. it is often in the heat of the moment just like this case was.

i just don't think anyone should be able to take someone's life without any consequences.

[White trash bitchy blonde]

The fact that he beat the man with his fists says a lot to me. He didnt get his daughter away and then secure her safely somewhere and then go grab a gun, take the time to load it and then walk back out and kill the man. This guy was hurting his child, and I am somewhat thankful that they are not charging him with anything but like I said before, they may just try to pin some kind of dickwad charge on him just to set a standard....maybe probation or surrendering weapons as a punishment, I don't know.

Had he killed the guy with anything other than his bare hands really seems to stick out in this situation. Also, a lot of women that have been brutally beaten within an inch of their lives have succeeding in killing their violent husbands and been completly cleared of any wrong doing. The scary part is when their fate rests in the hands of an unsympathetic jury or judge that doesnt see the whole picture.

I 100% agree that this man shouldnt be charged. And I bet anything that this guy is more concerned about his daughter than he is about what law enforcement plans to do with him. I'd imagine him sayin to hismelf, "I give no shits, my daughter is safe and I caught the guy in the act. Boom, he's dead. They wanna lock me up? Do it. At least my kid is safe".

[kevansvault]

i fully understand that a parent would do something like this in this situation, but i still feel like he should be charged. you can't set a precedent that you can just murder people without consequences, even if the person 'deserved it.'

it makes me think of when an abused woman kills her husband/lover after years of violence against her. a lot of times they get off 'easy' and just do a few years instead of spending life in prison. i think something like that would be good in this situation, maybe do a small amount of time and then probation or something.

people can't just go around killing someone without consequences. i mean, i guess they do sometimes in texas. i have to keep reminding myself this is where this happened.

It's not murder when you are operating in defense mode, whether in defense of your own safety or that of another (like this man's daughter). There's no premeditation, only the gut wrenching reality of what is happening and your personal reaction to it. Culpability for this man's death lie completely with the dead man himself. And the basic idea behind it is this "would this dad have attacked the perp if the perp hadn't been assaulting the daughter?" The answer is an easy NO. The law takes into account situations like this, and that's why many times people aren't charged in these situations. It's not only in Texas, either. Ever watch the First 48? They let suspects go all the time when they find the suspects acted in self defense...they let them go, or they lock them up for some outstanding warrant.

I understand and respect your point of view, that someone should pay for taking a life. But this man and his daughter have to suffer indignity already for 1. the sexual assault and it's potential effect on the family as a whole 2. The fact that dad killed this man. Taking a life, to some in society, might not even register on their little conscience at all. But for most of us, even the thought of doing it is hard to stomach.

This guy and his daughter are going to need professional help. He doesn't need to go to prison to get it. Now, this guy may just have lost his trust in others and faith in humanity as a whole. How does one trust anyone after something like this happens?

The most important thing most of us will ever be is a parent. Our role is filled with tough choices and decisions that can have life and death consequences attached. Yet another reason not to enter into parenthood unadvisedly. I can't blame this man for doing what he did. I'm just glad I've never had to be put in the same situation.

[aquatwins]

If there was ever a situation of being found not guilty by reason of temporary insanity I'd hope this would be one.

[Monter]

Investigating the circumstances is totally warranted. I cant see punishing him for self defense.
In many battered wife cases, part of the issue is that it isnt only a gut reaction and they turn on the abuser. Its the whole reason battered wife syndrome exists - the rationale of a continuously abused person had to be justified. This was not even close to that. Personally? I absolutely hope the guy walks if his story is true.

[TheFavoriteDaughter]

It's not murder when you are operating in defense mode, whether in defense of your own safety or that of another (like this man's daughter). There's no premeditation, only the gut wrenching reality of what is happening and your personal reaction to it. Culpability for this man's death lie completely with the dead man himself. And the basic idea behind it is this "would this dad have attacked the perp if the perp hadn't been assaulting the daughter?" The answer is an easy NO. The law takes into account situations like this, and that's why many times people aren't charged in these situations. It's not only in Texas, either. Ever watch the First 48? They let suspects go all the time when they find the suspects acted in self defense...they let them go, or they lock them up for some outstanding warrant.

I understand and respect your point of view, that someone should pay for taking a life. But this man and his daughter have to suffer indignity already for 1. the sexual assault and it's potential effect on the family as a whole 2. The fact that dad killed this man. Taking a life, to some in society, might not even register on their little conscience at all. But for most of us, even the thought of doing it is hard to stomach.

This guy and his daughter are going to need professional help. He doesn't need to go to prison to get it. Now, this guy may just have lost his trust in others and faith in humanity as a whole. How does one trust anyone after something like this happens?

The most important thing most of us will ever be is a parent. Our role is filled with tough choices and decisions that can have life and death consequences attached. Yet another reason not to enter into parenthood unadvisedly. I can't blame this man for doing what he did. I'm just glad I've never had to be put in the same situation.

Exactly. Everyone has the right to act in self-defense and kill if necessary to protect themselves from bodily harm. A 4 year old can't do this. As a parent, he has the right to protect his child as if it was himself being harmed. Charging him would accomplish nothing.

And who knows if he was actually "beat" to death. It's possible dad only hit him a few times but managed to get him in the right spot, causing brain drama.

[emmieslost]

i suppose i agree that you should be able to use lethal force when defending yourself, or your child. but just taking his word for it without any charges or investigation i have issues with.

[TheFavoriteDaughter]

i suppose i agree that you should be able to use lethal force when defending yourself, or your child. but just taking his word for it without any charges or investigation i have issues with.

I'm pretty positive they're investigating. Unless I misread.

[Fleta]

Like a jury in Texas would even convict.
I can't decide if I'd be more traumatized watching my father beat a dude to a bloody pulp, or knowing a bad man is still out there. Horrible thing that happened, but if it had to happen, this is how it SHOULD end.

[White trash bitchy blonde]

Yeah, I think had this been my dad and I were that age and this happened, my dad would have killed the guy with no hesitation.

But then again, my dad also had a temper. He got pulled over in his semi and a state cop wanted to check his log books. The cop got up in my dads truck and actually threw my dads mattress, bedding and personal shit into the road. Dad beat the cop up and was arrested and still continued to fight. I didn't find this out until a few years ago.
My point was, if my dad was that pissed over his shit in the road, which i dont blame him....i couldnt imagine what he would do if he saw someone hurting me or his one grandson that he had at the time before he left.

[kevansvault]

i suppose i agree that you should be able to use lethal force when defending yourself, or your child. but just taking his word for it without any charges or investigation i have issues with.

Oh they investigate these things, believe me. Yes, even here in Texas. Departments go to great lengths to live up to standards because they know that if they don't, innocent men go to jail, guilty men go free.... It's not perfect, but it is a helluva lot better than it used to be.

[PCP777]

Nah, some have been thinking it all their lives. He just acted on his thought cuz he had opportunity. Ugh.

My point as many more offend for years and never get caught, way more likely.

Oh they investigate these things, believe me. Yes, even here in Texas. Departments go to great lengths to live up to standards because they know that if they don't, innocent men go to jail, guilty men go free.... It's not perfect, but it is a helluva lot better than it used to be.

Without a weapon, it would be pretty hard just to straight up beat some dude to death. I have a feeling the molester was frail. What if it was just one punch? Weirder shit has happened.

Anyways, they have witnesses right? I hope he does not get charged but this is not the wild west, it will be fully investigated.

[Ron_NYC]

Exactly. Everyone has the right to act in self-defense and kill if necessary to protect themselves from bodily harm. A 4 year old can't do this. As a parent, he has the right to protect his child as if it was himself being harmed. Charging him would accomplish nothing.

And who knows if he was actually "beat" to death. It's possible dad only hit him a few times but managed to get him in the right spot, causing brain drama.

We have a judicial system that's there to punish criminals and protect the public. Giving this man jail time accomplished neither.

What message needs to be sent? If you catch someone molesting your child, don't intervene?

[kevansvault]

Without a weapon, it would be pretty hard just to straight up beat some dude to death. I have a feeling the molester was frail. What if it was just one punch? Weirder shit has happened.

Anyways, they have witnesses right? I hope he does not get charged but this is not the wild west, it will be fully investigated.

Could have been, but I doubt it was just one punch. I've seen people beaten near death. It's not so much the amount of punches as it is the amount of punches in the right place. BUT...If they declared him dead upon the arrival of EMS, there had to be extreme trauma. We can't just declare someone dead without obvious signs of extreme trauma, injuries not compatible with life. Otherwise, we pack 'em up and haul it to the ER.

[emmieslost]

We have a judicial system that's there to punish criminals and protect the public. Giving this man jail time accomplished neither.

What message needs to be sent? If you catch someone molesting your child, don't intervene?

like i said i totally understand blind rage. but its not really the parents job to take the law into their own hand at that point, nor do we need people going around killing people without a lick of consequence. imo, anyway. i'm no judge or lawyer.

i know that when my sister was kidnapped and beaten i, for a very long time, wanted to track that kid down and do horrible things to him. i know that it would be wrong to do so, however, and i didn't/wouldn't. but it doesn't mean i don't want to hurt him.

i mean if you take someone's life, even if they're scum of the earth, shouldn't there be some consequence? personally, i'm ok with this guy walking but what kind of precedent does it set? should he be charged so the courts can sort it out? or is a simple investigation enough? honestly, i don't know the answer to that. if i was in this guy's situation i would expect there to be consequence for my actions, and i would gladly do probation or jail time for protecting my child from harm.

[Ron_NYC]

like i said i totally understand blind rage. but its not really the parents job to take the law into their own hand at that point, nor do we need people going around killing people without a lick of consequence. imo, anyway. i'm no judge or lawyer.

i know that when my sister was kidnapped and beaten i, for a very long time, wanted to track that kid down and do horrible things to him. i know that it would be wrong to do so, however, and i didn't/wouldn't. but it doesn't mean i don't want to hurt him.

i mean if you take someone's life, even if they're scum of the earth, shouldn't there be some consequence? personally, i'm ok with this guy walking but what kind of precedent does it set? should he be charged so the courts can sort it out? or is a simple investigation enough? honestly, i don't know the answer to that. if i was in this guy's situation i would expect there to be consequence for my actions, and i would gladly do probation or jail time for protecting my child from harm.

So if someone attacks you in your home, you shoot them dead, you think you should go to prison cause someone "has to" be wrong?

[emmieslost]

So if someone attacks you in your home, you shoot them dead, you think you should go to prison cause someone "has to" be wrong?

no. i don't. i guess i just feel like it is different somehow because his life was not directly in danger and it IS actually possible that the kid was never touched. its not like you can take a kids word for it, or any witness for that mater.

and like i said, i'm no judge. i don't want to be the one to sort these things out. i can just see someone killing someone and being like "well, they touched my kid and it pissed me off" and really they're just a crazy psycho who probably should even be raising kids. NOT saying this is the situation here, but they do have to worry about precedent right?

[Ron_NYC]

no. i don't. i guess i just feel like it is different somehow because his life was not directly in danger and it IS actually possible that the kid was never touched. its not like you can take a kids word for it, or any witness for that mater.

and like i said, i'm no judge. i don't want to be the one to sort these things out. i can just see someone killing someone and being like "well, they touched my kid and it pissed me off" and really they're just a crazy psycho who probably should even be raising kids. NOT saying this is the situation here, but they do have to worry about precedent right?

Yea, but if they investigate and he caught the guy with his pants down, then why does he HAVE to get locked up?

If it's bullshit, then yea, sure! But if it's the truth? I mean who knows what that dude had planned to do to her in the bushes?

If he hit the dude a few times and he went down and hit his head on the curb...I mean shit happens.
Man, I hope you're never on my jury. Tough crowd.

[emmieslost]

Yea, but if they investigate and he caught the guy with his pants down, then why does he HAVE to get locked up?

If it's bullshit, then yea, sure! But if it's the truth? I mean who knows what that dude had planned to do to her in the bushes?

If he hit the dude a few times and he went down and hit his head on the curb...I mean shit happens.
Man, I hope you're never on my jury. Tough crowd.

oh, if the investigation showed this guy was a kiddie creeper, i would totally let this guy walk.

but like i said, i don't think i should be the one making these decisions. i don't feel like i have enough information to say this guy walked, maybe if i were on the jury i would feel comfortable with it. i just can't automatically assume someone had it coming because a news story says so.

[Ron_NYC]

oh, if the investigation showed this guy was a kiddie creeper, i would totally let this guy walk.

but like i said, i don't think i should be the one making these decisions. i don't feel like i have enough information to say this guy walked, maybe if i were on the jury i would feel comfortable with it. i just can't automatically assume someone had it coming because a news story says so.

That's how I feel about rape charges. And you are the same. I respect that.

[ZoMyGoddess!]

i might kill someone if i found them attacking any child, not just mine. honestly, last year, the bus driver of our school trip snuck on the boat (it was a fishing trip with another school). So this perv was kicking it to a 13 yr old girl. Do you know how quick i was to grab him and lead him to the end of the boat and set his ass straight!?!?! immediately. Did i care he was 27, taller and more muscular than me?? nope. I cared that he had ill intentions to a child and he must be dealt with. I made sure his ass was fired.
i was raised very aware of predators out there. I grew up with stories of Adam Walsh and other abused or murdered children. I will not hesitate to fuck up a child toucher. in my eyes they deserve pain or death. there is no gray area for me.

[ZoMyGoddess!]

a child can be abused in SECONDS. so thats how quick i will kill a MF'er.

[Ron_NYC]

i might kill someone if i found them attacking any child, not just mine. honestly, last year, the bus driver of our school trip snuck on the boat (it was a fishing trip with another school). So this perv was kicking it to a 13 yr old girl. Do you know how quick i was to grab him and lead him to the end of the boat and set his ass straight!?!?! immediately. Did i care he was 27, taller and more muscular than me?? nope. I cared that he had ill intentions to a child and he must be dealt with. I made sure his ass was fired.
i was raised very aware of predators out there. I grew up with stories of Adam Walsh and other abused or murdered children. I will not hesitate to fuck up a child toucher. in my eyes they deserve pain or death. there is no gray area for me.

You punched Santa in his jolly old belly. True story.

[ZoMyGoddess!]

You punched Santa in his jolly old belly. True story.

I have THEE best pic of me on santa's lap - all that fucking warning all year about child molesters, and then my mom plops me on some strangers lap once a year. I really could have punched the jolly old man in the nads.


awwww nads... i miss her.

follow me to member photos for the pic.

[TheFavoriteDaughter]

I think the point though is that it wasn't that the kid said it happened and he went after the guy. That's where I can see charges. He literally (allegedly) caught the guy with his pants down sexually assaulting the child. I don't know what kind of precedent it would be setting to charge him! That parents can't protect their children from danger as it's happening?