they didn't care whether it was the son shooting or the mom, is my opinion. the neighbor (man) doesn't even care to talk to the operator. fuck them.Originally Posted by danakscully64
they didn't care whether it was the son shooting or the mom, is my opinion. the neighbor (man) doesn't even care to talk to the operator. fuck them.
i don't know how you could turn away a bleeding child at your door. it's not even like they didn't know who they were.
i've lived next to many domestics. if a husband/father showed up at my house bleeding and i knew he had a history of beating his lady i might do what these people did and not let him in but call the police. if it was his wife, well i've let bleeding women in my house before wouldn't be the first time. a teenager? obviously unarmed? children saying they were shot by there mother? how could you turn them away?
911 recordings, autopsies released in case of Florida mom who apparently killed four children, herself
Recordings of 911 calls and autopsy results released Friday provide a window into the predawn chaos on Tuesday when Florida mother Tonya Thomas apparently shot and killed her four children and then killed herself, WESH Orlando reported.
Neighbors a husband and wife awakened by loud banging on their door and cries for help called police to report the disturbance.
In conversations with police dispatchers, it became apparent that the disoriented couple had three neighbor kids outside their door in Port St. John, Fla. From the recordings - parts of which were broadcast by WESH -- it was clear that they knew at least one of the children was bleeding, but they were uncertain who had been shot and who had a gun.
"They tried to break in our front door to get in, I guess, to get away from her, whoever's got the gun," the unidentified man, who apparently is sharing the phone with his wife, says on the initial call, according to the WESH video. "So I grabbed my gun and ran outside and one of them is laying there bleeding right there at our front door."
"He's bleeding at the front door," the dispatcher repeats, and then asks: "Is he still there?"
"No, he went back home," the man responds.
Dispatcher: "And he went back inside the residence?"
"I guess," the man responds in the recording on WESH. "I don't know who has the gun so I'm not walking out there."
According to WESH's video, the man tells the dispatcher as the sound of shooting next door continued: "I'm armed, but I?m not going out there and put myself in danger."
The woman says, her voice cracking, "I knew this was going to happen," according to the account by Florida Today.
Later the news emerged that all of the children and their mother were dead.
Police believe that Thomas, 33, shot to death all four of her children Joel, Jazzlyn, Jaxs and Pebbles Johnson.
Jaxs, 15, sustained three gunshots to his chest, two with the gun pressed up against his skin, according to an autopsy report released Friday, WESH reported. He was apparently sleeping on the couch at the time.
Pebbles, 17, was shot three times from a distance, according to the autopsy.
Joel, 12, was shot five times and his sister Jazzlyn, 13, had been shot seven times. The two younger children were found near each other, WESH reported, citing the autopsy.
Thomas was found in the garage with a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head, it said.
It was unclear what made the children go back to their home, where they were finally shot to death.
"There's a possibility that they were just in shock," Brevard County Sheriff's spokesman Tod Goodyear told WESH.
Turbulent household
Police and social workers were aware of turbulence in the home prior to the tragedy.
Police answered a call on April 9 from Thomas that son Jaxs had battered her in a fight after she tried to get him out of bed, Florida Today reported.
Jaxs was due in court Tuesday on the criminal charges for that alleged assault, it said.
Records released Friday by the Department of Families and Children also show social workers had three contacts with Thomas and her children over the past decade, Florida Today reported.
In 2000 there was a domestic violence incident between Thomas and the children's father Joe Johnson that temporarily sent Thomas to a shelter and caused the children to be removed from the home. They reunited not long after, against the advice of the agency, according to Florida Today.
In April, Thomas told social workers that her son Jaxs had anger management problem, records show.
However, the social work records show that the siblings talked with social workers and told them that they felt safe in the home, according to the Florida Today account.
Family friend Rachel DeCamp said Thomas was working through a number of personal issues, the report said.
"She was a mother dealing with teenagers. She was having some financial problems, she was on food stamps. Then the father of her children had just gotten out of jail and was trying to make amends and she didn?t want to be with him," DeCamp told Florida Today.
Later on Friday, the husband in the 911 recordings said he and his wife had received death threats due to press reports that they had refused entry to the wounded kids. In a statement obtained by WESH, the man describes his efforts to help them before making the call, and the horror and confusion over who was doing the shooting.
He also said that Thomas and the kids had come to them numerous times in the past for help, which they were more than willing to offer.
"My wife and I are emotionally devastated," the man said in the statement.
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20...n-herself?lite
Last edited by rachy; 05-19-2012 at 05:01 PM.
http://www.wesh.com/r/31082077/detail.html"Contrary to false reports and Internet rumor, I was outside administering aid and was trying to protect my neighbors from an unknown shooter. They were not refused entry to my home. They were scattered outside in different locations in total darkness. This all happened before the 911 call. I tried to protect them and my wife, whom I would not let go outside because no one, not even the kids, knew who or where the shooter was. The voice on the 911 tape that said you can't come in was to who we thought was the gunman at the time. No one can imagine the horror and the confusion that occurred that morning. I will not go into details out of respect for the family and because of false and irresponsible reporting by some media. The kids always came here as did Tonya when they needed help. We were the only neighbors that they always came to. Please do not chop this statement up to sensationalize this horrible tragedy. My wife and I are emotionally devastated. We have received death threats already because of rumor and irresponsible people. Use the whole statement or none at all. Thank you."
I knew people were jumping to conclusions. That report ^^^ makes sense.
Soo.. how come you can clearly hear him telling them they cannot come into the house??
That place needs more guns.
They also need more prescription painkillers and meth.
I have seen the future and I'm fairly relieved to say, it looks nothing like me.
This is awful...
I have a hard time believeing it was so black and white though...maybe they did not realize the severity of the situation? Maybe they mistakenly thought, if the kids routinely ran amuck and caused trouble that one of them had the gun?
I keep thinking if my kid is asleep and someone I dont know is banging on my door saying they have been shot...ugh, Im not sure guys. Do I risk the idea a violent person is trying to get in and put my kid at risk? Its hard to know what is Monday morning quarterbacking and media distortion here.
You're entitled to your own opinions. You're not entitled to your own facts.- D. Moynihan
I think they probably realized the severity but weren't willing to risk their lives. I mean he did say, "I don't know who has the gun so I'm not walking out there."
Hmm true. I could imagine, especially in the middle of the night and the hysteria , it being much clearer now that these were three injured kids and not then.
If I was clear it was three injured kids, Id bring them in the house, no question. I dont think a mistake like that is one I would easily forgive myself for.
You're entitled to your own opinions. You're not entitled to your own facts.- D. Moynihan
But you can also hear them commenting on how 'they knew this was gonna happen', and 'they have had problems in the past'.. it sounded more like to me that they found them as trouble neighbors and were not going to be bothered with them. Bleeding on their front door or not.
Also, I don't care what anyone says about the man in that 911 phone call, he was heartless and felt he was inconvenienced by staying on the phone with dispatch. He literally gave the phone to his wife when he didn't want to answer questions anymore. Which was pretty quickly. Fuck that guy. The recording shows his reaction.. his whole 'internet rumors and media hype' shit can go take a fucking walk.
I want to believe that it was confusion. I guess only so that I can reconcile in my head how people can just stand by and let neighbor children (that they know & know the potential of crazy at their house), bleeding children just fade away back into the night to be helplessly gunned down.
The thing is though I have a hard time with seeing the good in these people. If they would have called 911, taken them in and got safe maybe only the wonderful mother would have shot herself. Maybe they thought she'd come into their house, but still it seems that there was plenty of time to call and gather these kids up before she was calling them back home. She obviously wasn't able to find them. hmmpf!
This, exactly.
I can see where the potential lies for things to go wrong in confusion. I really hope that is what happened here as well.
You're entitled to your own opinions. You're not entitled to your own facts.- D. Moynihan
I hope it was merely confusion. I need to hope it was merely confusion. I have lost so much hope for the kindness of humans one to another already... this may eclipse it all though.
I hope that when the world comes to an end, I can breathe a sigh of relief, because there will be so much to look forward to. - Donnie Darko
Do these people live in the fucking Bat-Cave?!? Do they live in a fortress? That lab from "The Walking Dead"!?!
What would stop this crazy gun-toting bitch from coming in the house and shooting each person hiding in there? I don't get why them opening their door to these kids suddenly saves literally everyone!
Well a house in general can be a safe place to hide from a maniac with a gun...we arent talking bat cave but it isnt the termintaor searching them out either.
What would stop this crazy gun-toting bitch from coming in the house and shooting each person hiding in there? I don't get why them opening their door to these kids suddenly saves literally everyone!
You're entitled to your own opinions. You're not entitled to your own facts.- D. Moynihan
Fixed.
The shit isn't a vault.
No argument there. Point being, Id rather be inside a house when someone is shooting at me, than outside in the dark with the shooter.Fixed.
The shit isn't a vault.
You're entitled to your own opinions. You're not entitled to your own facts.- D. Moynihan
And apparently this guy took it one step further and wanted to be inside his house sans any people who were involved- not knowing their involvement.
As far as we can tell, the wife was the only one unclear about who shot who. The husband went outside to see the kid shot and bleeding on his front porch. You can hear him clearly tell them they cannot come inside the house, and to stop trying to break in. He gets the kid who was shot a towel and comes back in to correct his wife that it wasn't the kid who has a gun, it was the mother. During that time the kids are left outside and then called back to the home where there mother was.
More shots, more shots.
Look, if the dude was really that scared of the situation, his front door would have remained locked when the kids went back to the house. Nevermind the pussy had a gun and could defend himself and his family should he need to. He just didn't want to be involved. Do we fault him for not wanting to be involved?? No. But there are a lot of things that happen in life that I don't want to be involved in and sometimes you don't have a choice. He had the ability to help them and he didn't. End of story.
I just think it's extra ridiculous that a gun nut didn't do something. This is literally what these people are arming themselves for. What gives, pussy?
Seriously.. "I am armed, but I ain't gonna help no one. They can't come in and I ain't goin out there. Do I need to stay on this phone??"
Fucking, gtfoooooooutta here. If I was the kid of those parents I would have been shaking my damn head at my father. Just a damn shame. I truly hope his kids are never in a situation where they need help and they get a door slammed on them.
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