Really Need Advice/Theories (Break in...stalker?!)

[White trash bitchy blonde]

Actually Im not totally positive but My husband told me no matter what that if someone tries to break in and hurt me or my family, fucking shot them. I have also heard abot the bad guy being able to sue over injuries and in my opinion, that makes no damn sense to me.

Also, that Taurus that PCP is actually a lot for a pistol. Taurus' are beuatiful fucking guns but from what I understand they kick pretty hard. I went down and bout a little S&W 40/40 and it wasnt spendy really at all. Whatever shop you go to, they can help you find the right one for you.

I actually think I jumped way to far ahead in this conversation and went straight to using guns but hey, you deserve to feel protected.

[MrBoddy2005]

I'm Like The Pet Everyone Wants To Have

[Ron_NYC]

And then when she shoots a hole through the wall and kills a kid next door, she goes to jail for 25 years. lol.

Aren't those hollow points known as "cop-killers?"

Even if you were dissing Texas, it's completely true. I went up to a gun range/store today and even though I went in and said "Hey so, I like totally don't even know how to use a gun, but like, I'd like to learn and then buy one..." they showed me several models and were trying to talk me into buying one. My god is Texas scary.

"Wait.....you...the girl who doesn't know what she's doing....you shouldn't leave here without a gun! Come back!"

[danakscully64]

Actually Im not totally positive but My husband told me no matter what that if someone tries to break in and hurt me or my family, fucking shot them. I have also heard abot the bad guy being able to sue over injuries and in my opinion, that makes no damn sense to me.

If I had to shoot to save my family, I would in a heartbeat. I wouldn't even hesitate, so hopefully it's not a family member who forgot their key

Bad guys should NEVER be able to sue for getting injured during the commission of a crime. I know it happens, but it's amazing that judges allow these cases.

[sogs]

If I had to shoot to save my family, I would in a heartbeat. I wouldn't even hesitate, so hopefully it's not a family member who forgot their key

Bad guys should NEVER be able to sue for getting injured during the commission of a crime. I know it happens, but it's amazing that judges allow these cases.

This times a million.

The police once told my dad that if he shot a burglar that managed to get outside, make sure you drag them back in the house so you can't be sued. And it's better if they are dead. Amazing.

[White trash bitchy blonde]

I think it can be such a slippery slope especially depending on where you live of course. If somoene jiggles my doorknob, Im not reaching for a gun right off the bat. I think common sense for a seasoned gun owner/ user is pretty legit and you would know when to fire or not.

i would seriously hate to take a human life. It would be something that i would never be able to fully get over even though I was protecting my family. But that's not to say that I wouldnt do it.

Also, when I lived in Sutherlin like 4 years ago, a woman woke up and thought she heard her husband come home from the bar. She walked into the living room and saw a man that she didnt recognize just plop down on her couch and pass out. He was drunk. She grabbed her cell phone, her child and ran past the sleeping intruder and drove PAST the police station, not once calling the police and picked up her husband from the bar. They leave the bar, they pass the cop shop again, still no 911 call and they return to the house.
Husband walks into the house, grabs his shotgun and shoots the guy while he is sleeping. His feet were still propped up on the couch, the husband tried to say that the stranger attacked him but evidence proved otherwise.
Anyways, apparently drunk man had just lost his mother, she had passed away. When he was walking home, he accidentally walked into the wrong home. He didnt threaten the woman or anything.

Nothing was ever done to the guy who shot the drunk guy and i think it was comopletly avoidable. THE BITCH WAS OUT OF THE HOUSE! I would have left and called the cops, no one would have died.

[White trash bitchy blonde]

Also Ron, Hollow points are made for when they hit something, the top basically mushrooms out and they kind of look like a claw. They do roughly the same damage as a regular bullet.

Cop killers are full metal armor piercing jacketed bullets. They are designed to go straight thru whatever you are aiming at up to a 1/4 inch thick without stopping. When used and aimed properly, they will do some serious damage. And for obvious reasons, they are cop killers because they can go right thru a bullet proof vest.
Those bulllets arent able to be purchased anywhere other than on the black market so Im not sure on how many are really out there or not.

[danakscully64]

This times a million.

The police once told my dad that if he shot a burglar that managed to get outside, make sure you drag them back in the house so you can't be sued. And it's better if they are dead. Amazing.

I've heard that too.

Also, when I lived in Sutherlin like 4 years ago, a woman woke up and thought she heard her husband come home from the bar. She walked into the living room and saw a man that she didnt recognize just plop down on her couch and pass out. He was drunk. She grabbed her cell phone, her child and ran past the sleeping intruder and drove PAST the police station, not once calling the police and picked up her husband from the bar. They leave the bar, they pass the cop shop again, still no 911 call and they return to the house.
Husband walks into the house, grabs his shotgun and shoots the guy while he is sleeping. His feet were still propped up on the couch, the husband tried to say that the stranger attacked him but evidence proved otherwise.
Anyways, apparently drunk man had just lost his mother, she had passed away. When he was walking home, he accidentally walked into the wrong home. He didnt threaten the woman or anything.

Nothing was ever done to the guy who shot the drunk guy and i think it was comopletly avoidable. THE BITCH WAS OUT OF THE HOUSE! I would have left and called the cops, no one would have died.

The difference was there wasn't intent to commit a crime by the drunk guy. How sad. Calling the police is the first step in almost all situations (unless you can't get to the phone or the danger is immediate, of course).

[bowieluva]

I mean, the reason you don't hear that much about vigilantes protecting thurr property and family with guns is because it usually works out really badly.

[White trash bitchy blonde]

Whats sad to me about the situation with the drunk guy is that he was drunk for one, he was obviously having a hard time with the loss of his mother. I wouldnt have expected the woman with the child in the house to understand that but Ive tried to put myself in her shoes. I have not one but three children. What if he was a violent persona nd woke up out of his drunken stupor? By all means, i would have shot him and not only would I most likely have taken his life but my children would have witnessed something horrific.

That woman imo should have been charged with something. What would they charge her with? I dunno. I completly believe her husband should have been charged. I was sick to my stomach over it and of course so were a lot of people in that town, it's not a huge town. I think every measure that is non life threatening should be taken before you shoot someone BUT if you can't avoid it, you simply have to do what is going to protect you and your family.

But if someone is stalking me, breaking into my home or whatever and im a single gal or my boyfriend isnt with me often or whatever, if you are that scared, you will find other options. You go to a battered persons shelter, you go to a hotel, you spend the night with a friend. You do whatever you can to gtfo of there.

This is only my opinion and i realize that moving is not cheap or easy but your safety is more important that anything. I tend to believe that if you are truly THAT frightened, you would try the things I just mentioned above.

[White trash bitchy blonde]

Also, shooting a would be intruder that is part way out of your house and dragging him inside doesnt seem like it would work well when it came down to an investigation. Surely a forensics person would obviously know that the person was shot outside the door and pulled inside the house. Im sure there are cops that have said it, i dont dispute that one bit but i think in the end, you would get in huge trouble. Kind of a risky move.

[Rainmaker]

Hi Megan:

I recently moved 2 hours away from anyone I know. I was told not to let ANYONE know I lived alone. When someone comes to your door do not let them inside. I do not have a peephole on my door, so I never know who it is on the other side of the door. I keep the storm door locked and open the regular door and talk to them through the storm door. Most of the time they are sales people. I have a recording on my answering machine left by a male friend that says I am sorry WE are not available at this time with no name just phone number. My house is locked at all times, even when I am home. Do not ever feel you are a bother to law enforcement. If you do not feel safe call them immediately.

As far as purchasing a handgun, of course that is your decision. Just make sure you are a person capable of using it with no hesitation. I purchased a handgun for protection and also had a permit to carry. I was attacked outside of a diner. I was in the back waiting for my girlfriend to show and parked where I could see both roads coming in so I could watch for her. I was more confident back then and was not paying attention to my surroundings. Suddenly, I was grabbed from behind, hand over my mouth and something pointed into my back. I had my purse and the handgun was easy to get a hold of. However, I did not know what he was holding on me. Finally he said he had a knife and if I did not do exactly what he said he would "cut my face up so bad no one would want to look at me again". I said "Okay, whatever you want" and turned slowly to look at him with the handgun now in my hand pointed at his stomach. He merely took his fist, punched me in the face grabbed my gun and was pointing it at my head when a family minivan happened to pull up behind us high beams on...He kicked me and ran like hell...with my handgun. This is the best I can recall of that night. I honestly was in shock and tried to put things together the best I could. The family had seen some of it which is why they pulled up like they did. Since he had not threatened to kill me I was not comfortable just pulling out a gun and shooting someone dead. At that close range he would have been dead. My girlfriend had talked me into a 357 magnum instead of a nice lighter weight 38 that I thought was more "lady like". To be honest..I realize now, that I could not have pulled that trigger even if he had threatened me with death. I am a pussy. (not in the good way)(smile).

I did see a therapist after this incident. His conclusion was that I value other people's lives more than my own. He stated he had no doubt that I would kill for my son. He said I might even kill to protect a complete stranger, but he believes that I feel my life is not worthy enough to kill for. I have no idea why I just shared that.

If you get a gun just please...BE careful you can use it with no hesitation....Make sure you are in a position that it cannot be taken from you and used against you.....Take lessons at a firing range so you are a good shot and used to handling it.

The conclusion of my story is eventually the guy was caught. My handgun was found. He was a serial rapist that had been traveling different areas raping and attacking women. He had killed before. I realize my first paragraph was simple common sense things and there are some folks rolling their eyes right now. I have become afraid, though. Every time you feel yourself thinking that you are being too concerned when you see the same man over and over, please remember what happened when I was unconcerned and not aware of the environment around me. I was lucky that time. I haven't always come out unscathed, though. When you are faced with rape or death the sexual experience means nothing to you. Rape is a crime of violence and if you come out alive you win. The way I look at it is when a man rapes you he takes absolutely nothing from you. Sex is only special when it is our decision to give it up. When you want to get as close as possible to the person you love and hold them in your heart and soul. When someone forces that from you he is taking nothing but a piece of ass. Since we aren't making it a lovely experience for him he is taking a bad piece of ass. So at the end and alive.....I feel like I still came out of it a winner.

I have NEVER shared this with another human being besides my therapist, so please don't be too harsh on me.

[Megan Russell]

Hi Megan:

I recently moved 2 hours away from anyone I know. I was told not to let ANYONE know I lived alone. When someone comes to your door do not let them inside. I do not have a peephole on my door, so I never know who it is on the other side of the door. I keep the storm door locked and open the regular door and talk to them through the storm door. Most of the time they are sales people. I have a recording on my answering machine left by a male friend that says I am sorry WE are not available at this time with no name just phone number. My house is locked at all times, even when I am home. Do not ever feel you are a bother to law enforcement. If you do not feel safe call them immediately.

As far as purchasing a handgun, of course that is your decision. Just make sure you are a person capable of using it with no hesitation. I purchased a handgun for protection and also had a permit to carry. I was attacked outside of a diner. I was in the back waiting for my girlfriend to show and parked where I could see both roads coming in so I could watch for her. I was more confident back then and was not paying attention to my surroundings. Suddenly, I was grabbed from behind, hand over my mouth and something pointed into my back. I had my purse and the handgun was easy to get a hold of. However, I did not know what he was holding on me. Finally he said he had a knife and if I did not do exactly what he said he would "cut my face up so bad no one would want to look at me again". I said "Okay, whatever you want" and turned slowly to look at him with the handgun now in my hand pointed at his stomach. He merely took his fist, punched me in the face grabbed my gun and was pointing it at my head when a family minivan happened to pull up behind us high beams on...He kicked me and ran like hell...with my handgun. This is the best I can recall of that night. I honestly was in shock and tried to put things together the best I could. The family had seen some of it which is why they pulled up like they did. Since he had not threatened to kill me I was not comfortable just pulling out a gun and shooting someone dead. At that close range he would have been dead. My girlfriend had talked me into a 357 magnum instead of a nice lighter weight 38 that I thought was more "lady like". To be honest..I realize now, that I could not have pulled that trigger even if he had threatened me with death. I am a pussy. (not in the good way)(smile).

I did see a therapist after this incident. His conclusion was that I value other people's lives more than my own. He stated he had no doubt that I would kill for my son. He said I might even kill to protect a complete stranger, but he believes that I feel my life is not worthy enough to kill for. I have no idea why I just shared that.

If you get a gun just please...BE careful you can use it with no hesitation....Make sure you are in a position that it cannot be taken from you and used against you.....Take lessons at a firing range so you are a good shot and used to handling it.

The conclusion of my story is eventually the guy was caught. My handgun was found. He was a serial rapist that had been traveling different areas raping and attacking women. He had killed before. I realize my first paragraph was simple common sense things and there are some folks rolling their eyes right now. I have become afraid, though. Every time you feel yourself thinking that you are being too concerned when you see the same man over and over, please remember what happened when I was unconcerned and not aware of the environment around me. I was lucky that time. I haven't always come out unscathed, though. When you are faced with rape or death the sexual experience means nothing to you. Rape is a crime of violence and if you come out alive you win. The way I look at it is when a man rapes you he takes absolutely nothing from you. Sex is only special when it is our decision to give it up. When you want to get as close as possible to the person you love and hold them in your heart and soul. When someone forces that from you he is taking nothing but a piece of ass. Since we aren't making it a lovely experience for him he is taking a bad piece of ass. So at the end and alive.....I feel like I still came out of it a winner.

I have NEVER shared this with another human being besides my therapist, so please don't be too harsh on me.

That is so terrifying!
I am so glad to hear you made it out of that situation okay.
But after that story I am definitely going to make sure I am constantly aware of my surroundings.

And thank you for sharing, I imagine that was pretty difficult for you to do as that was a very scary time in your life. But you are strong for getting through it and I really appreciate you sharing your story with me.

[Ron_NYC]

That totally reminded me of my friend saying he could never take a female cop seriously. He said he just imagines a floating gun, like when you take one from someone in Grand Theft Auto.

Damn, couldn't find a good pic.

[White trash bitchy blonde]

Yeah, I like that this other poster mentioned the fact that your own gun can be used against you. Scary but true. That's why you have to be educated to the fullest on how to deal with situations.

[Ron_NYC]

Yeah, I like that this other poster mentioned the fact that your own gun can be used against you. Scary but true. That's why you have to be educated to the fullest on how to deal with situations.

Some people think a gun is a fix all to any situation. I just don't get that way of thinking I guess.

[Monter]

I cant imagine ever making the decision to shoot someone. Id freeze, I think...
Its also not being raised around guns - no one I know personally here in NY owns or uses them. Ill take my badass baseball bat and scary self, and hope for the best

[White trash bitchy blonde]

Yeah, it makes sense that if you arent raised around guns then you probably would be scared or indifferent to them. Some cities, hunting is a huge sport so there are guns. Or there is just a lot of people maybe in high crime areas that have them for persnal security. It used to be common around here that guys would go to work at the mills and their chotguns were on the hunting racks inside their trucks. Of course that has changed and its not tolerated, just sayin'.

I dont just thik guns by themselves is the answer, but you do need to know how to deal with situations and hope your gun isnt taken from you. Personally, whenit comes to my family, and i said this before, I would shoot to protect my children. I would be upset for life over it but my kids are more important. BUT if someone is trying to jack my purse or whatever, Id give it to them. It's not worth it.

[danakscully64]

Yeah, I like that this other poster mentioned the fact that your own gun can be used against you. Scary but true. That's why you have to be educated to the fullest on how to deal with situations.

That's why I don't have pepper spray.

[Monter]

Yeah, it makes sense that if you arent raised around guns then you probably would be scared or indifferent to them. Some cities, hunting is a huge sport so there are guns. Or there is just a lot of people maybe in high crime areas that have them for persnal security. It used to be common around here that guys would go to work at the mills and their chotguns were on the hunting racks inside their trucks. Of course that has changed and its not tolerated, just sayin'.

I dont just thik guns by themselves is the answer, but you do need to know how to deal with situations and hope your gun isnt taken from you. Personally, whenit comes to my family, and i said this before, I would shoot to protect my children. I would be upset for life over it but my kids are more important. BUT if someone is trying to jack my purse or whatever, Id give it to them. It's not worth it.

I hear you and I agree.
See I know from positions Ive been in before, I freeze. I can handle a lot of crises but when it is someone who approaches me alone to do something, my brain just wont process it. For my kid? I think if anyone came here to harm my child the cops would arrive to find me still pulverizing the dude's grey matter out the back of his skull, because I would act and I dont think I would stop.
But that isnt a reasonable reaction, thats total instinct. I couldnt shoot a gun. I KNOW I could hit a motherfucker with a bat

[Ron_NYC]

Yeah, it makes sense that if you arent raised around guns then you probably would be scared or indifferent to them. Some cities, hunting is a huge sport so there are guns. Or there is just a lot of people maybe in high crime areas that have them for persnal security. It used to be common around here that guys would go to work at the mills and their chotguns were on the hunting racks inside their trucks. Of course that has changed and its not tolerated, just sayin'.

I dont just thik guns by themselves is the answer, but you do need to know how to deal with situations and hope your gun isnt taken from you. Personally, whenit comes to my family, and i said this before, I would shoot to protect my children. I would be upset for life over it but my kids are more important. BUT if someone is trying to jack my purse or whatever, Id give it to them. It's not worth it.

Interesting you say that. I think I could shoot a motherfucker that needed shooting.

ETA: Jeebus Mnoter.
Pulling a trigger isn't as personal as a fucking beating. Yeesh.

[Fleta]

Ambien walrus.

[Monter]

Interesting you say that. I think I could shoot a motherfucker that needed shooting.

ETA: Jeebus Mnoter.
Pulling a trigger isn't as personal as a fucking beating. Yeesh.

I could be wrong...I just know me.
They are different parts of the brain at work, I think, for me.
Could I make the decision to pull a trigger? No
Could I lose my shit and beat someone to death who hurt or tried to hurt my baby? Scary yeah but I think I could.

[White trash bitchy blonde]

Ya know, I think it's something that we could speculate on all day and night and never really be sure. I know that there have been instances where I behaved one way but when it came to the kids, my personality completly changed.

Monter, I think that it's very possible that even myself that has experience with guns would freeze, except if my child was in harms way. I imagine that I would do everything I could to make sure that it didnt get to the point of having to spray bullets but i dont think any of us would ever know really until it happens and God forbid, it ever does.

Im kind of just thinking to myself a scenario such as my middle sons dad. He's violent and a huge drug user. If he were to walk into my house and I felt threatened, I would shoot him. Sucky part is that all my firearms are locked up because we have children in the house, so it's like okay, I'd have to be lightening speed quick in order to harm him.

I have told my husband before that I think the pistol should be somewhere that we could get to it asap and not let the kids know. But in that way of thinking, i would want it loaded so it was already ready. Safety on of course but I wouldnt be able to live with myself if a child somehow found it and hurt themselves. That would be truly devastating and we all know it happens.

[Ron_NYC]

Can't you talk to your kids so they know it's not a toy? I mean it seems like that would be a better idea than hiding it and shrouding everything in secrecy? I always thought that the mystery was part of the appeal (for kids), and if you take that away, the guns become less "fun."