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Well guys. Sorry you all had bad experiences learning how to write script. Guess, it's people like you making the decisions.
I didn't have a bad experience learning script, I got told it was too small, i never really ever got the q right, and I didn't slant but it didn't make a mark in my psyche. However I cryed in 7th grade algebra twice. The teacher embarrassed me and told me that I had too much hair to allow Algebra into my brain.
So if I am ever in a position to make decisions about the curriculum, fuck algebra Bc I had a bad time and what the fuck, I dont even use it. I'll be saving lots of kids tears.
And for the record, handwriting doesnt separate the good from the bad. Yes it's a skill that some will pick up faster, but it has to be taught and corrected when wrong. In my tests, if I can't understand it, it's wrong! So if a kid has shit handwriting and I can't get what theyre saying in their essay, it's wrong. You'd be shocked at how many kids miraculously nicer handwriting.
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Listen, I understand your fear but I don't think cursive is something that needs to be protected. It really is an antiquated thing. When I lived in Florida, I went to a school where girls did not take PE. We took ballet. Because it was like 1952 in that school and we were also taught ettiquitte where as the guys could be farty crude little assholes.
This is the thing. Some topics become obsolete because THEY SHOULD BE. I'm not going to cry if the pledge of allegiance goes bye bye either. They're relics of a bygone conservative America that emphasizes appearance over quality. If I wrote the best paper in the world, I'd get points off for shitty handwriting but the kid who was borderline retarded with neat handwriting got rewarded. That's what the world needs to be getting rid of, not protecting.
I stopped using it once I got into high school and had to start writing in pen. Thankfully, they gave us the option of neat and legible print. My previous rant aside, I think its something children should at least be exposed to but not necessarily graded on. It's important to be able to read and understand various types of print but, at this point in time, I'd call it's practice an art form rather then a skill set.
I had the worst time EVER with algebra one and two but I still consider that more necessary then pretty writing. Algebra I've actually used to solve real world/work related problems. Nobody ever tells me I have a shitty signature.
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Originally Posted by beli
I guess we can agree to disagree somewhat. I'm just saying, kids still need to write in school. They get taught script in 2nd grade, they got ten more years of school to go.
Some teachers are fucked graders,... I have seen that, but yea, if you got the answer right but I can't understand it, you're getting it wrong. The kid that I can understand, and has it half right, will get partial credit. What can I do? When it comes to the SATs, it's not like you can go up to the SAT board and be like, well I what that says is...
The SATs has a big open ended part for math and English, not to mention all the fucking standardized testing they're going to be rating teacher's success on. (boo).
How are they supposed to do it, in the time they're supposed to do it, by printing like babies.
Eventually, everything will be typing and computers, but until then, script should still be taught.
If I could find a few of my final exams tomorrow Bowie, I'm gonna text you a couple of kids who are seniors and write like they're babies. It's nuts. I couldn't imagine staring at 30 - 200 papers with that kind of handwriting.
This is why cursive has never made sense to me. So many people suck at it. Print is obviously preferable.
But you have no idea how bad kids suck at print too!!!! That's my issue, like if they stop script, print is going to go to shit too. Why is being corrected in print different from being corrected in script?
Because it should be whatever is easiest for the kid to write in, not some archaic antique method of teaching them. The problem is forcing a system on a kid instead of working out what's best for them. I don't know anyone who writes better in script than handwriting and I certainly do think it's a waste of time to have that as something you set aside class time for, considering actual educational topics are being tossed out left and right.
How do we know what's easiest for them if they arent taught it? Im not trying to change your opinion, just hear me out when I explain that script is a helpful skill that they do utilize while they're in school (for now). Not everyone is good at it, but not everyone is good at spelling and we still teach that even though there is spell check and dictionaries.
Not everyone is going to have a laptop in college. Not everything is on the computer, yet.
I think they still need it.
It's not ancient like learning math on the abbicus (did I spell that right, I didn't get a red squiggle). Lol.
I just want to add this story. I had a hard time with roman numerals. I was failing quizzes on roman numeral so my dad went in to talk to the teacher and ended up yelling at her because "why the hell does my kid have to learn roman numerals if the Romans are dead!! What so she can read the year at the end of a movie, or what number super bowl we're on!!!?!?".
Are those even taught in school anymore? I don't even know.
I was not taught roman numerals. I am told that kids aren't even taught proofs anymore. Education is evolving: not all of it is becoming obsolete for no reason. Much like I understand the importance of teaching kids to organize, I still don't think it's the school's job to penalize them for messy desks, and I don't think handwriting is a tragic loss. If everyone learns to print in kindergarten, you'll have some kids who suck at it but they'll all be progressing over years and not forced to learn something new when they're finally comfortable. Like I said, how many people are great and have beautiful cursive that stink at printing?
...and I hate being forced to print, like on legal documents. I feel like it takes an eternity.
I do not know any adult, besides my father (who writes in all capitals ffs) that prints. It's all cursive or the print/cursive hybrid that makes writing faster. I generally do the print/cursive hybrid. If you don't know what I'm talking about, oh well.
By the way, I have beautiful handwriting, and I am not Asian.
Me me me!! I'm looking at all the papers on my desk that I've written on and I'm defo a hybrid. Sometimes on the same paper I'll use a cursive s and then 2 lines down I'll print out my s's.I do not know any adult, besides my father (who writes in all capitals ffs) that prints. It's all cursive or the print/cursive hybrid that makes writing faster. I generally do the print/cursive hybrid. If you don't know what I'm talking about, oh well.
By the way, I have beautiful handwriting, and I am not Asian.
I hate the way I print.
Oh and messy students penalize themselves because usually those kids can't find their notes, or have fucked up their notes and can't study. If they're taught early, to be organized, they get better grades. This is for sure. I see it year in and out.
If I assign a project and it's turned in all sloppy, I def take points off. There is a difference between careless and incapable.
I think adults lose sight that kids don't know anything. They do have to be taught and corrected to become good at something. And just like every topic, not everyone is going to be good at it, but they woukdnt be AS good at it if they werent taught It
Adults also project their feelings on their kids or kids in general. They assume that because they don't use it or whatever it's not necessary. I see so much fuckshittery, that this is just going to be something else that I'm going to have to deal with and get blamed on when shit goes sour.
My boyfriend has good handwriting, too, so obviously I tease him for having girly handwriting.I'm not used to boys that have legible handwriting.
I had a student that wrote in that bubble script and he was a boy. I wanted to poke fun at him so bad but I'm a teacher damn it!! Lol. At least he was neat.
I sucked at cursive writing and I still do- I hated learning it with the fiery passion of a thousand hells. Then again I also suck at print, especially taking notes but learning it didn't suck near as bad. I'm kinda sad that they aren't going to teach it anymore, but I'll admit if I was a kid in that school I would be celebrating.
When I was in fire academy, all our papers had to be in all-caps with a ruler, and it was the prettiest writing i've ever done, lol. I bring my laptop to class now and type like a fast little monkey because otherwise I read my notes later and I'm all WTF does that say? LOL. Seriously though when I hand wrote my notes I forgot the letter "I" in "fire" because I was in a hurry. Then I'd go back over it and be all WHAT THE HELL IS FRE?!
Also, the joke is on my teachers because I had childhood onset arthritis, so writing was really uncomfortable for me. hah eat a dick JERKKKKKSSSS
Wait, people have actual signatures that aren't just sloppy scribble?
I sign my name properly and legibly until I noticed people just get away with chicken scratches.
And if he can, you can.
My horrible experience didn't turn me against handwriting or make me think it isn't necessary, but since it was almost 50 years ago I'd say it had a lasting impact and not in a good way.
No matter how much she belittled me my handwriting was what it was. That's the difference. You can number differently. I can only write how I can write.
exactly, and the point is that you write. Im sorry that you were belittled or feel like you were belittled. I feel bad for everyone that feels that way. but here's the thing, how does a teacher know how well you have the ability to write cursive, without asking of you to write cursive in a standard form.
eventually everyone settles into their own handwritting, it isnt meant to be identical because look at signatures, those are unique to the individual. However, during instruction there is a standard to follow and a teacher's role is to attempt to bring that out of the child - now I dont mean to embarass or belittle a kid because their handwritting is shit, but if theyre having trouble with their R's and F's, well then, those letters are the ones they'll have to practice on by writting them repeatively as practice.
the point is that no matter what, you HAVE handwritting. You have a way to quickly jot down your ideas when there is no computer, smartphone, iPad, or other keyboard device.
as far as what bowie mentioned about who's signature isnt a jumble of letters, thats only because they were taught script in the first place, and after writing their name 1001 times or more in script, it becomes a signature, whether its legable or illegable. If someone is going to print their name as a signature, i think thats going to be easier to forge and just plain look unintelligent. (IMO)
In making plans for the weekend, i asked my friends if they had bad experiences learning script in school and only one had a story because theyre left handed. however, even my left handed SO said he learned it fine and his handwriting is decent.
i should look through my papers and post some pics of the horrendous handwriting i get on papers from kids that are 17/18 yr old. you guys would be shocked, even you guys that THINK you have bad handwriting.
I switched schools when I started third grade, and those kids had already learned cursive in second grade. So I taught myself, and I have the best handwriting of all time, tyvm.
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