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    What Lauren Spierer’s friend and roommate is telling us

    Profilers have to listen very carefully to what a witness does and does not say, and missing Indiana University student Lauren Spierer’s friend Hadar Tamir is giving us a lot of clues about the day Lauren went missing and the events that followed, according to The Journal news.

    Lauren Spierer's roommate Hadar is now sharing information about the period leading up to – and immediately following – her roommate Lauren’s disappearance that could literally break the case, if the right questions are asked of her and others.

    Hadar said that up until 12:30 a.m. on Friday, July 3, she and Lauren were hanging out with another friend who lived down the hall in Smallwood Plaza, where the two were roommates. But then Lauren left unexpectedly. Lauren went to Kilroy Sports Bar where she ran into Corey Rossman, a fellow student she barely knew and had only met once before, at the Indianapolis 500, when she and Hadar were introduced to Corey and Corey’s roommate Mike Beth by Jay Rosenbaum, a "close friend" of Hadars.

    Jay Rosenbaum, Corey Rossman and Mike Beth -- literally the last three males to acknowledge seeing Lauren last on the night she disappeared -- all lived in the same apartment building and were friends, according to Hadar, and she said she has been good friends with Rosenbaum since her freshman year of college, too, stating Lauren would often accompany her to Rosenbaum’s apartment during the past year.

    Some of what Hadar says cannot be officially collaborated by evidence, like video surveillance cameras, so investigators have to take care not to give a lot of weight to comments or witness accounts until they can be substantiated concretely. But that isn’t to say that they do not attempt to piece together the puzzle of Lauren’s disappearance with the information provided. They do. But they also leave room for other possible scenarios to surface as well.

    Once at Kilroys, Lauren left behind her cell phone -- which can be substantiated -- and exited the bar with Corey Rossman, with security camera footage at Smallwood recording their presence there, as well as capturing an altercation between Rossman and another male – and Lauren and Corey’s exit from the premises at approximately 2:45 a.m.

    Footage retrieved from another site records the two moving toward Rossman’s apartment a few hundred yards away at around 3 a.m., substantiating the last official known sighting of Lauren and making Corey Rossman the last person police can officially verify was with Lauren before she disappeared.

    Her next alleged stop was in Rossman’s apartment, according to his roommate Mike Beth, who says he put his pal to bed due to Rossman taking a punch to the face, which effectively resulted in his not remembering anything immediately leading up to the punch or events thereafter.

    Rossman's "amnesia" effectively limits what he can say to aid investigators or to potentially implicate himself in Lauren's disappearance. It isn't known if a medical professional has substantiated his injury at this juncture or how long his incapacity to recall events of the night of Spierer's disappearance will continue. His lawyer is fielding questions on his behalf now.

    Beth says he did not go to Kilroys with Rossman the night in question, staying home to work on an assignment and that he had not imbibed alcohol or taken drugs the night of June 2 or the early morning of June 3, according to USA Today. He said he attempted to get Spierer to stay the night, too, but she refused and he saw her leave.

    Jay Rosenbaum, Hadar Tamir’s friend says Lauren came to his apartment in Rossman’s building after leaving Rossman and Beth’s presence. Rosenbaum said Lauren stayed at his apartment until just after 4 a.m., at which time she left, with him observing her round a corner nearby, on her way home. Rosenbaum has legal representation now, as well.

    Hadar did not report her roommate Lauren's absence to anyone later that morning, nor even when Lauren was not back at the time Hadar had to go to class. She said that it was Lauren Spierer’s boyfriend who first brought her attention to her friend’s disappearance, when he called to ask for a key to their apartment, so he could check up on Lauren since she hadn’t answered her cell phone when he called; It had been answered by Kilroy’s bar personnel instead.

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    The best way for police to get to the bottom of Lauren Spierer’s disappearance lies in conversations with those who were closest to her and knew her habits and personality best – as well as those who are also close to the investigation.

    Did Lauren Spierer make a habit of leaving behind her cell phone? Was she in the habit of leaving female friends and roommates behind to go to a bar alone, or would this have been an unusual act on her part? Would it be out of the ordinary for her to not return until 4 a.m. or later in the morning -- and for Hadar to not notice her absence?

    How would Lauren have responded to a confrontation between Rossman and the others at her building when she arrived there with him after leaving Kilroys? Would she have attempted to go back later and address it alone, after leaving his apartment?

    What would prompt Lauren to navigate the streets alone at the 4 a.m. hour – was it typical? Was it out of character for Mike Beth or Jay Rosenbaum to allow an intoxicated girl to manuvere the streets alone at 4 a.m. or par for the course?

    Understanding how Lauren would have responded to situations that occurred – sober or under the influence – and what would have been out of character for her is critical for investigators to anticipate what might have happened to her that night, and to tell if what they are told by witnesses is plausible or not. In another missing college girl case, Jenni-Lyn Watson, it was the enterprising work of Jenni-Lyn's boyfriend's friends that led to his arrest in her disappearance and murder. Lauren Spierer's friends -- and the associates and friends of all involved -- undoubtedly can help in the successful resolution of her case as well.

    http://www.examiner.com/criminal-pro...-is-telling-us

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    Jay Rosenbaum, Corey Rossman and Mike Beth.......Wow....I feel sad....for a moment in time .....I think these men have blood on their hands....

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    Something smells rotten in the state of Denmark. I definitely think Rosenbaum, Rossman, Beth, and possibly Wolff are culpable in some way. I don't buy the b.s. line of thinking that when an accidental death occurs witnesses are soo afraid that they're going to panic and hide the evidence. If Caylee Anthony accidentally drowned in a pool the autopsy would have demonstrated that fact, which would be fairly obvious to even an ingrate like Casey. If Lauren Spierer died of a cocaine overdose the autopsy would have reflected that as well. Innocent people don't behave the way Lauren's friends are. All of them went home and lawyered up ASAP. I went away to college too and I can tell you that I most certainly would not return home for the summer if one of my closest college friends had gone missing (even if it meant changing plans or incurring extra student loans).

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    Quote Originally Posted by robocommie View Post
    Something smells rotten in the state of Denmark. I definitely think Rosenbaum, Rossman, Beth, and possibly Wolff are culpable in some way. I don't buy the b.s. line of thinking that when an accidental death occurs witnesses are soo afraid that they're going to panic and hide the evidence. If Caylee Anthony accidentally drowned in a pool the autopsy would have demonstrated that fact, which would be fairly obvious to even an ingrate like Casey. If Lauren Spierer died of a cocaine overdose the autopsy would have reflected that as well. Innocent people don't behave the way Lauren's friends are. All of them went home and lawyered up ASAP. I went away to college too and I can tell you that I most certainly would not return home for the summer if one of my closest college friends had gone missing (even if it meant changing plans or incurring extra student loans).
    Not if the only thing left is bones. How do you suppose they would take toxicology tests? And how exactly can you tell that someone drowned if there are only bones left?

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    I agree with you, morbidT--that is why I'm saying she hid the body. Because decomposition destroys evidence. Maybe I'm not wording my point effectively? Hypothetically, if Casey did allow Caylee to drown accidentally, and Casey told the authorities immediately (as any sane, innocent person would) the autopsy would have demonstrated water in the lungs. Some argue that Casey didn't alert the authorities because she feared that they would accuse her of purposefully drowning Caylee. Lame. There are mishaps all the time where mothers' inattention and accidents in general lead to child deaths. A mom who truly cares about their child doesn't throw the body away and attempt to hide evidence. It's just way too convenient for Casey that the decomposed remains make it difficult to ascertain a cause of death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robocommie View Post
    I agree with you, morbidT--that is why I'm saying she hid the body. Because decomposition destroys evidence. Maybe I'm not wording my point effectively? Hypothetically, if Casey did allow Caylee to drown accidentally, and Casey told the authorities immediately (as any sane, innocent person would) the autopsy would have demonstrated water in the lungs. Some argue that Casey didn't alert the authorities because she feared that they would accuse her of purposefully drowning Caylee. Lame. There are mishaps all the time where mothers' inattention and accidents in general lead to child deaths. A mom who truly cares about their child doesn't throw the body away and attempt to hide evidence. It's just way too convenient for Casey that the decomposed remains make it difficult to ascertain a cause of death.

    I getcha. I agree that "hiding" the body did get rid of evidence. It's just too bad Caylee's remains were not found in time to provide any answers.

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    This is Lauren's thread.
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    Sorry, but I was just using the Anthony case as an example. In Lauren's case, it really doesn't make sense to me that her friends would get scared and hide her body if she overdosed. Because how can they get blamed for HER overdosing. People only hide bodies when the evidence on that body will show that the person was intentionally murdered.
    Hopefully there is no body, though. Perhaps she was kidnapped and someone did or is trying to sell her to the sex slave trade. Unfortunately that is a real thing in this country. Regardless, I feel really bad for her parents.

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    People panic and do weird stuff. And people do get blamed for other people overdosing, and even are charged with murder sometimes.
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    Exactly one year ago Sunday, Indiana University student Lauren Spierer disappeared. Although the search continues, optimism for finding her alive dwindles.

    Police say Spierer, then 20, left Kilroy's bar and went to a friend's apartment in Bloomington, Ind. She has not been seen since she left there in the early hours of June 3, 2011.

    Her mother, Charlene Spierer, says that she always has hope her daughter is alive but "after a year, I don't think it's likely," MSNBC reports.

    "You have to be realistic. ... You always have that small element of hope, but of course, as time goes by, you become more and more realistic about the possibility of her being alive," Lauren's father, Robert Spierer, told TODAY's Savannah Guthrie.

    Rabbi Sue Laikin Silberberg, who directs a Jewish student organization in which Spierer participated, saw an evolution in her students over the course of the year, WISH-TV reports. At first devoted to finding Spierer, the group shifted to remembering her and supporting the family.

    "We just don't know what more we can do," Silberberg said, the Indianapolis Star reports.

    Though family members say the case looks bleak, they have not given up hope.

    Lauren's mother says, "We're committed and we're driven and we just go through every day thinking about what we can do to make a difference, and try to get closer to finding Lauren," MSNBC reports.

    "It doesn't matter if it's Day 3, Day 100 or Day 365. The fact is they have been through what really no one should ever have to go through," search volunteer Kristina Sparks says, WISHTV reports.

    Bloomington Police said on Thursday the Spierer case remains a priority and the department still receives a couple credible tips every week. Police have received more than 2,600 tips in the past year, WISH-TV reports.



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    Latest find leaves family of missing student Lauren Spierer anxious for answers

    The discovery of a human skull found last week by a fisherman near the White River in Indianapolis has the family of a missing woman anxiously waiting as authorities work to identify the remains.

    The family of Lauren Spierer, the 20-year-old Indiana University student who disappeared last year, posted a message on their Facebook page Saturday regarding the skull discovery on July 9, MyFoxNY.com reported.

    The deputy coroner for Marion County told WXIN in Indianapolis that the skull "has been submerged for some time, at least more than a year."

    Authorities can't identify the race or gender of the skull and laboratory results could take weeks, according to MyFoxNY.com.

    Spierer, of Greenburgh , N.Y., was last seen early the morning of June 3, 2011, on the intersection of 11th Street and College Avenue in Bloomington, Ind., according to the woman’s acquaintance and college classmate Jay Rosenbaum.

    Rosenbaum claims he watched the petite, blonde-haired student walk from his building toward her off-campus apartment complex some three blocks away around 4:30 a.m. the morning she disappeared.

    Rosenbaum’s last reported sighting of Spierer followed a night of partying among a loose group of college friends and acquaintances.

    Spierer’s disappearance touched off a massive search by air, land and water for any trace of the young woman. The Bloomington Police Department has said it receives on average about two to three “credible” leads weekly in the case – totaling more than 2,600 tips to date.

    The area where the skull was found is more than 50 miles from the Bloomington campus where Spierer attended school.

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/15...est-discovery/
    http://www.myfoxny.com/story/1902672...test-discovery

    i hope this is her so her family has some sort of closure.

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