Tina Morey (30) was shot to death along with her husband and her three children

[SaKi]

[quote author=lordstanleyd link=topic=5014.msg198231#msg198231 date=1172250903]
Clearly, I have a minority viewpoint of those posting, and I can't keep up debating multiple people single-handedly.  I concede we disagree, I feel I've expressed my viewpoint clearly and stand by it.  I don't think anyone is a "bad person" based on the opinions expressed.
[/quote]

I agree. I don't think you're a bad person or a bad parent for believing what you do. Thank you for sharing your views and opinions. :)

[Ron_NYC]

I love this, but right now I feel like everyone is beating up on Stanley.
This is a pretty Liberal crowd, and I don't want to post just to high-five SG, DD, Emmie, peaches and Saki
Did I miss anyone?
You're pretty much saying what I'm thinking ladies.
Do any men on the board agree with [s]me[/s] us? Jebus.
Come to think of it, I like having so many liberal women around.  It's kinda hot.
And Pro-choice women don't have sex with anti-choice men!

[lordstanleyd]

[quote author=Ron_NYC link=topic=5014.msg198234#msg198234 date=1172251040]
I love this, but right now I feel like everyone is beating up on Stanley.
This is a pretty Liberal crowd, and I don't want to post just to high-five SG, DD, Emmie, peaches and Saki
Did I miss anyone?
You're pretty much saying what I'm thinking ladies.
Do any men on the board agree with [s]me[/s] us? Jebus.
Come to think of it, I like having so many liberal women around.  It's kinda hot.
And Pro-choice women don't have sex with anti-choice men!
[/quote]I like a good debate (can you tell) but my fingers are tired!

[daybreaksdisdain]

[quote author=Ron_NYC link=topic=5014.msg198234#msg198234 date=1172251040]
I love this, but right now I feel like everyone is beating up on Stanley.
This is a pretty Liberal crowd, and I don't want to post just to high-five SG, DD, Emmie, peaches and Saki
Did I miss anyone?
You're pretty much saying what I'm thinking ladies.
Do any men on the board agree with [s]me[/s] us? Jebus.
Come to think of it, I like having so many liberal women around.  It's kinda hot.
And Pro-choice women don't have sex with anti-choice men!
[/quote]

I was just asking questions................... :|

[kris]

[quote author=lordstanleyd link=topic=5014.msg198199#msg198199 date=1172248990]
FACTS is the key word here - opinions are not facts.  As they get older, kids become more able to discern the difference between two.  Kids today are being pushed to grow up far faster than is healthy, to become sexualized at far too young an age, and the damage it's doing is severe.
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Too right it is, sexualising children upsets me and it's getting worse but that has absolutely zilch to do with teaching them about sex.

[Mortis]

Just a different devil for a second.

I think that what fucks our kids up more than anything is the fucking media. All of it.

I grew up on the munsters and leave it to beaver and shit that showed families where parents were respected.

You guys with little kids now, look at what they watch. Nickelodeon, Disney
... in every show the parent is a buffoon who wouldn't make it except for the kids.

MTV, HBO, Movies...hell most 6 year olds now know what sex is.

CD covers, songs, myspace, it all contributes as well as parenting.

It's a fight now that us older members parents never had to face.

I let my kids watch that stuff too, I don't want them to be "freaks" at school, but we have sit down dinner discussions about our day, chores to do, and they have to watch my boring history channel and discovery stuff too.

[kris]

[quote author=Mortis link=topic=5014.msg198246#msg198246 date=1172251924]


MTV, HBO, Movies...hell most 6 year olds now know what sex is.


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Except they don't, they think sex is what you do when someone likes you or to make someone like you.

[Mortis]

Right. I meant the mechanics of it.

[MzzCat]

[quote author=christine k link=topic=5014.msg198079#msg198079 date=1172244752]
So Cleveland doesn't really rock?
[/quote]

Oh Cleveland DOES rock! Im from Cleveland, So I may be a bit biased on that subject tho. lol :rockon:

[kris]

[quote author=Mortis link=topic=5014.msg198259#msg198259 date=1172252677]
Right. I meant the mechanics of it.
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I would assume that was a good thing but it's all about context and removing any fears or worries that they would be expected to 'do it' any time soon. Parental or school education is a must at that age, don't want them learning about the mechanics from t'internet or teenagers writhing around in sexually explicit music videos....ugh.

[lordstanleyd]

[quote author=MzzCat link=topic=5014.msg198264#msg198264 date=1172252838]
Oh Cleveland DOES rock! :rockon:Im from Cleveland, So I may be a bit biased on that subject tho. lol
[/quote] from one Clevelander to another.

[MzzCat]

[quote author=lordstanleyd link=topic=5014.msg198270#msg198270 date=1172253115]
from one Clevelander to another.
[/quote]
Right back atcha! 

[Deviant Toaster]

And who says crime doesn't pay? How nice of them to pay with the lives of their children. Sheesh

[super_ghey]

[quote author=Deviant Toaster link=topic=5014.msg211336#msg211336 date=1172959565]
And who says crime doesn't pay? How nice of them to pay with the lives of their children. Sheesh
[/quote]

Obviously not the mother and father of the year award winners...

[Deviant Toaster]

[quote author=DEADZONECARTMAN link=topic=5014.msg213401#msg213401 date=1173102353]
Obviously not the mother and father of the year award winners...
[/quote]

And obviously not well respected in their business affairs. LOL.

[Ren]

[quote author=MzzCat link=topic=5014.msg198264#msg198264 date=1172252838]
Oh Cleveland DOES rock! Im from Cleveland, So I may be a bit biased on that subject tho. lol :rockon:
[/quote]

..living in sin with a safety pin?!

[Bogeyman]

Those pieces of shit will never again set foot outside prison walls. Killers who wipe out families make my blood boil.

[wheresthebeef]

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/03/02/america/NA-GEN-US-Fire-Killings.php

POUGHKEEPSIE, New York: The second of two men accused of killing a family of five and setting their Hudson Valley house on fire last year has been found guilty of 41 charges.

Charles Gilleo Jr., 33, was accused of killing Manuel "Tony" Morey, Tina Morey and the couple's three sons on Jan. 19, 2007. Prosecutors said he and 30-year-old Mark Serrano — who was convicted of the killings in December — had gone to the home to steal cocaine and cash from Tony Morey, a longtime friend of Gilleo's.

The family's car and home were set ablaze in an attempt to cover up the crimes.

Autopsy results showed the two adults were shot, and the boys — 13-year-old Manuel; Adam, 10; and Ryan, 6 — were stabbed multiple times.

A Dutchess County jury convicted Gilleo Saturday following almost 40 hours of deliberation. His sentencing is scheduled for later this month.

Today in Americas
Black voters holding their breath for ObamaObama and McCain battle in PennsylvaniaObama and McCain's fiscal plans add to deficitsGilleo and Serrano were each charged with 42 counts of murder, arson, burglary, conspiracy and perjury — including 20 charges of first-degree murder and 11 charges of second-degree murder.

The jury acquitted Gilleo of one second-degree murder charge.

Much of the prosecution's case against Gilleo relied on testimony from Serrano, who was convicted in December of 41 charges. District Attorney Edward McLoughlin argued that Gilleo was upset that Morey stopped letting him buy drugs on credit, and used Serrano to help him pull off the crimes.

Serrano has not been sentenced yet. Both men face up to five consecutive life sentences