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    More bones found in Belanglo State Forest - another 'Backpacker Murder'?

    I'm not sure if there is another thread on this - I will merge if there is.

    So yesterday they found more bones in the Belanglo State Forest here - this was where Australia's Backpacker Killer dumped all his victims.  They have found 7 so far and these bones make it a possible 8 but I believe there are alot more.  

    I am actually currently reading a book about Ivan Milat called Sins of the Brother which provides a background to his early years.  I haven’t finished but am up to his arrest for the murders now.  

    Police have discovered what they believe are human skeletal remains in Belanglo State Forest - the scene of the backpacker murders by Ivan Milat, raising the possibility that he may have had an eighth victim.

    Police said a group of trail bike riders made the grisly discovery about 3.15pm yesterday while riding in the forest in the state's southern highlands.
    They called police, who sealed off the scene and began a search of the area, but were forced to abandon their work soon after due to bad light.
    A police spokeswoman said today that the area was guarded overnight and detectives would continue their investigation this morning.

    The head of the NSW homicide squad, Detective Superintendent Peter Cotter, said police were treating the discovery ''as human, until we know better''.
    He said homicide squad detectives would speak to Goulburn detectives and forensic police today. He cautioned that some animal remains looked like human remains.
    A police spokesman refused to say where in the forest the remains were found, or whether they were above or below the surface. When asked whether police were considering whether the remains belonged to an additional victim of Ivan Milat, the spokesman said they were ''considering all possibilities''.
    Police were still waiting to confirm if the bones were human or animal, the spokeswoman said.

    The former roadworker is serving seven life sentences for murdering seven backpackers, aged 19 to 22, between 1989 and 1992. Five of them were backpackers visiting Australia (three German, two British), and two were Australian travellers from Melbourne.

    Speculation about more victims has continued since the murders. At least 10 other backpackers went missing around the same time in NSW and Queensland.

    After the discovery of Milat's seventh victim in 1993, an extensive search of the 4100-hectare forest involving up to 1000 police and volunteers was conducted. No more bodies were found.

    http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/belanglo-remains-could-be-human-20100829-13xrq.html?autostart=1

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    Re: More bones found in Belanglo State Forest - another 'Backpacker Murder'?

    I was just about to post this.

    Definately sounds like Milat's handiwork on the surface. He certainly has a signature when it came to his targeted victims, and the dump site location. However, I hope it is not immediately assumed to be a Milat victim just because the remains were found in Belangalo.

    I really hope that this individual will be ID'd soon. I'm holding out hope that this will be a break-through in one of these cold cases, and a family out there can have some sort of resolution to their agony, and the remains returned home with some dignity.

    Here's another article (there's a video at the link):

    Belanglo bones are human: NSW police

    Bones and a skull found in the notorious Belanglo State Forest are almost certainly human, NSW police say.

    Investigating officers say they are keeping an open mind about the discovery in the NSW southern highlands forest, where serial killer Ivan Milat killed and buried his victims in the 1990s.

    Goulburn Local Area Commander Acting Superintendent Evan Quarmby said detectives would await the results of a post-mortem examination and DNA tests.

    "Hopefully, they will shed some light on the identity of the deceased and a cause of death," Supt Quarmby said.

    Trail bike riders came across the skeletal remains in a heavily wooded area of the forest, known as Dalys Waterhole, about 3.15pm (AEST) on Sunday.

    The bones were found a short distance from a fire trail, beside a large fallen tree.

    A crime scene was set up and specialist forensic officers called in while a search was conducted until nightfall.

    A more extensive search of surrounding bushland is in progress on Monday.

    Local detectives have formed Strike Force Hixson to investigate the discovery and are being assisted by State Crime Command's Homicide Squad.

    Supt Quarmby said the investigation is in its infancy and police will pursue all avenues of inquiry.

    "It is early days and far too soon for us to know exactly what's happened," he said in a statement.

    "Obviously there is a lot of speculation surrounding this discovery but we definitely will not be jumping to conclusions.

    "There are many lines of investigation to explore."

    He also appealed for public assistance.

    "I'd urge anyone with any information that might help us progress this investigation to contact Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000," Supt Quarmby said.

    Milat, who is serving seven life sentences, buried the bodies of seven backpackers in a series of shallow graves in the Belanglo forest after a killing spree in the 90s.

    It has long been suspected he may have been involved in several other killings.

    However, former assistant commissioner Clive Small, who was the lead investigator in the Milat killings, said he was sceptical about the remains found on Sunday because Milat buried his victims well away from fire trails.

    "In this case ... the remains were right beside the trail," Mr Small told Fairfax Radio Network.

    "That would be inconsistent with the pattern that Milat had used."

    Mr Small said the search for the remains of Milat's victims during the 90s had been extensive.

    "The bodies that Ivan was charged with were in a relatively small area," he said.

    "It was a very comprehensive search. There were several hundred police involved.

    "So I wouldn't say we missed anything at this stage.

    "We will have to wait and see."

    One of the trail bike riders who discovered the remains says the group was sure they were human after finding a skull.

    The rider, named as Andrew, told Macquarie Radio the group of eight to 10 riders were regular visitors to the forest.

    They had ridden past the area where the remains were discovered a number of times but this time they ventured a little further into the bush.

    "We've ridden past there, I couldn't say how many times, yeah, and this time we decided to chuck a U-turn, and because it's quite a narrow track we had to just skip into the bush a bit," Andrew said.

    They saw what looked like leg bones near a log.

    "We were, I guess, curious as to what they were, thinking they might be kangaroo ... but they looked a little too big to be an animal," he said.

    "They were in the open ... a little bit off the track.

    "Initially, we weren't sure until we walked a bit further into the scrub and behind the log - that's when we actually found the skull.

    "That's when we called the police. We were definitely sure they were human."

    Andrew said police responded quickly and the riders met officers near the entrance to the forest and guided them to the site.

    http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/7952842/bones-found-in-belanglo-state-forest

    What book are you reading Olivia? The backpacker murders really intrigue me.

    I was going through missing person cases in Australia the other week, and there are several cold cases still outstanding that immediately bring Ivan Milat to mind. The circumstances and context they disappeared are too spookily similiar.

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    Re: More bones found in Belanglo State Forest - another 'Backpacker Murder'?

    [quote author=Olivia link=topic=26744.msg1705510#msg1705510 date=1283120624]
    I'm not sure if there is another thread on this - I will merge if there is.
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    Only other one I could find was http://mydeathspace.com/smf/index.php?topic=18376.0

    If he's still alive and serving seven life sentences, would they ask him if there are more victims?  It's not like he's getting out soon anyway or concerned about prosecution extending his prison stay.  :|

    Really interesting story, sad that another victim was found (and if it wasn't a victim of Milat, still sad someone has been missing without their family knowing where they are).
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    [quote author=azkarisma link=topic=26744.msg1705757#msg1705757 date=1283151011]
    Only other one I could find was http://mydeathspace.com/smf/index.php?topic=18376.0

    If he's still alive and serving seven life sentences, would they ask him if there are more victims?  It's not like he's getting out soon anyway or concerned about prosecution extending his prison stay.  :|

    Really interesting story, sad that another victim was found (and if it wasn't a victim of Milat, still sad someone has been missing without their family knowing where they are).
    [/quote]

    Milat is still alive, and is currently residing under His Majesty's pleasure in the Goulbourn Supermax prison.

    I'm sure the police have questioned him many times in the past, but he's clearly not going to talk. He is a sociopath, no emotions, no remorse, and therefore there is no benefit for him by opening his mouth.

    He hasn't exactly ever been forthcoming with police with information about the murders he was convicted of, nor any other disappearances he is suspected to be involved in. In fact, he flatly denies any involvement. He even protested his innocence in a six-page letter from his prison cell, citing a "miscarriage of justice". He claims he has been set up and that DNA evidence left at the crime scenes, was not his, and does not match any member of his family.

    He also hacked off the little finger on his left hand, wrapped it in newspaper, and placed it in an envelope addressed to the High Court in Sydney. Crazy motherfucker.

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    Re: More bones found in Belanglo State Forest - another 'Backpacker Murder'?

    Here's a fairly extensive article from the Sydney Herald.

    Skeleton key to unlock Ivan Milat mystery?
    AAP From: AAP August 30, 2010 4:46PM

    THE discovery of human bones, and especially a skull, in the forest where serial killer Ivan Milat did his gruesome work is sure to revive hysteria about the grisly "backpacker murders".

    One of Milat's seven victims was decapitated, and the head was never found.

    Speculation about the number of victims has raged ever since the gun-crazy road worker was charged and convicted of executing seven young backpackers in the NSW southern highlands in the late 1980s and early 1990s.

    Ten other backpackers went missing around the same time in NSW and Queensland.

    Police involved in the Milat case are wary of linking the new find to the backpacker murders because the bones were close to a fire trail (investigating officers concluded Milat buried his victims away from fire trails) and because the search for Milat's victims had been extensive.

    But police once ruled out the possibility of finding any more than the first two bodies, only to uncover five more over the following year.

    Like the original discovery of a corpse by hikers which led to Milat's conviction, the latest find by trail bike riders was also accidental.

    The Milat saga started to unravel by chance on September 19, 1992, when two hikers found a rotting corpse in the dense Belanglo forest, 100km southwest of Sydney.

    The body of 22-year-old British tourist Joanne Walters proved to be the first uncovered in the serial killings that became known as the "backpacker murders".

    Over the next year, a massive team of several hundred police officers unearthed the remains of six more bodies in a forest that was starting to resemble a cemetery.

    The episode shattered Australia's standing as a safe haven for budget-conscious young travellers.

    It also numbed the genteel southern highlands area famous for its tulips and antiques, and as the peaceful boyhood home of cricket great Sir Donald Bradman.

    The prosecution alleged in court that the victims were picked up, abducted, slain and mutilated.

    One was decapitated. The head was never found.

    Another was shot 10 times in the head.

    Joanne Walters' blue T-shirt had at least 20 slash and stab holes in it.

    Many were stabbed so savagely their bones were chipped.

    Some had been gagged or bound.

    A sexual element was "strongly suggested" in six of the deaths, the Crown said, because of cuts to bra cups, unbuttoned flies and the positioning or absence of clothing.

    Five victims were European: Ms Walters from Wales, her friend Caroline Clarke, 22, from England, and three Germans - Simone Schmidl, 20, Gabor Neugebauer, 21, and Anja Habschied, 20.

    The other two, James Gibson and his girlfriend Deborah Everist, both 19, were from Melbourne.

    After an 18-month investigation, police raided a home at Eagle Vale on the outskirts of Sydney on May 22, 1994.

    They seized evidence and charged 51-year-old roadworker Ivan Robert Marko Milat, one of 14 children of Yugoslav-Australian parents.

    No eye witnesses to the killings were ever found.

    The prosecution's premier witness was an English hitchhiker, Paul Onions, who testified that Milat drove him to the edge of the Belanglo forest in 1990 and held him at gunpoint before he escaped.

    Mr Onions was one of more than 150 witnesses.

    More than 400 exhibits included backpacks, camping gear and other items belonging to the victims which the prosecution alleged were found at the homes of Milat and some of his relatives.

    Parts of the gun used to shoot Caroline Clarke were found walled up in Milat's house, prosecutors said.

    Milat, under cross-examination, had no explanation as to why these items were found where they were.

    The case played to packed houses in the wood-panelled St James court.

    Media from around the world covered the four-month trial.

    Queues formed daily for public seating.

    Witnesses in the intimate courtroom, including relatives of the slain backpackers, had to walk past Milat, and give evidence from just a few metres away.

    The Crown said it did not have to prove whether Milat acted alone and said the evidence strongly suggested that he may not have done so.

    Milat's own barrister, Terry Martin, said there was a reasonable possibility that the killer was one, or both, of Milat's brothers, Richard, 40, or Walter, 44.

    Mr Martin submitted to the jury that Ivan Milat had not committed the murders either alone or in company.

    He also submitted that items including gun parts that had been linked to the murders had been planted at his client's home.

    "Do you think a person capable of these most brutal crimes would give two hoots about planting gear on a brother?" he asked.

    Evidence had been given by workmates that Richard Milat had once told them stabbing a woman was "like cutting a loaf of bread", Mr Martin said.

    "Why would anyone say anything as hideous as that in a joking fashion?"

    Richard Milat denied making the comment when he gave evidence in court.

    "It is absolutely irrefutable that whoever has committed these ... offences must be in the Milat family or so very closely associated to it that it doesn't matter," Mr Martin told jurors.

    "The question is do you have a reasonable doubt that it was Ivan Milat as opposed to someone else in the family?"

    The jury had no doubt.

    On July 27, 1996, Ivan Milat was found guilty of murdering the seven backpackers and kidnapping Mr Onions.

    He is serving seven consecutive life sentences with no possibility of parole.

    On his first day in Maitland jail, Milat was beaten by another inmate.

    A year later, he made an escape attempt alongside convicted drug dealer and former Sydney councillor George Savvas.

    Savvas was found hanged in his cell the next day and Milat was transferred to the maximum-security prison at Goulburn.

    Milat has reportedly swallowed razor blades and staples while in prison and in 2009 cut off his little finger with a plastic knife.

    His killing spree is regarded among the most chilling in Australian history because it was so calculated, his method of execution was so gruesome and his happy-go-lucky victims were so young, led like lambs to the slaughter.

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/skeleton-key-to-unlock-ivan-milat-mystery/story-e6frf7jo-1225912001007


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    Re: More bones found in Belanglo State Forest - another 'Backpacker Murder'?

    [quote author=trepid link=topic=26744.msg1705723#msg1705723 date=1283146226]


    What book are you reading Olivia? The backpacker murders really intrigue me.

    I was going through missing person cases in Australia the other week, and there are several cold cases still outstanding that immediately bring Ivan Milat to mind. The circumstances and context they disappeared are too spookily similiar.
    [/quote]

    It's called Sins of the Brother - http://www.bookworm.com.au/Book/Sins-of-the-Brother-The-Definitive-Story-of-Ivan-Milat-and-the-Backpacker-Murders-9780330362849.aspx

    I'd offer to lend it to you but I've actually borrowed it off someone else.  It's interesting - a totally fucked up family.

    Someone told me years ago that word going around the prison system was that either Ivan Milat took the fall for one of his brothers who was the real actual murderer or that he definitely didn't act alone.

    On Nine News tonight they suggested that the bones might actually be those of Kerry Whelan - do you remember her? 

    http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/burrell-loses-kerry-whelan-murder-appeal-20090617-ch70.html  - apparently the farm of the man who apparently killed her is in the same region


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    Re: More bones found in Belanglo State Forest - another 'Backpacker Murder'?

    Photos of the Belanglo Forest

    This one creeps me out






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    Re: More bones found in Belanglo State Forest - another 'Backpacker Murder'?

    [quote author=Olivia link=topic=26744.msg1705773#msg1705773 date=1283159442]
    It's called Sins of the Brother - http://www.bookworm.com.au/Book/Sins-of-the-Brother-The-Definitive-Story-of-Ivan-Milat-and-the-Backpacker-Murders-9780330362849.aspx

    I'd offer to lend it to you but I've actually borrowed it off someone else.  It's interesting - a totally fucked up family.

    Someone told me years ago that word going around the prison system was that either Ivan Milat took the fall for one of his brothers who was the real actual murderer or that he definitely didn't act alone.

    On Nine News tonight they suggested that the bones might actually be those of Kerry Whelan - do you remember her? 

    http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/burrell-loses-kerry-whelan-murder-appeal-20090617-ch70.html  - apparently the farm of the man who apparently killed her is in the same region


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    I'll definately have to get that book, sounds intriguing. I saw a documentary the other week about the Milat family, and yes I have to agree with you, that family is definately a shitstorm of pure crazy. I'm definately not convinced that Ivan Milat acted alone, and was the only one wih the rogue psychopathic gene and trigger-happy nature in that family. The facts of the case seem to suggest the same.

    I have never heard of the Kerry Whelan case - going to read up on it now.

    Whether this is a victim of Milat or not, hopefully this may spur on public interest into the unsolved disappearances in NSW, and some family will have some form of closure in regards to a missing loved one.

    On another note, I wonder how many others Ivan Milat and co are responsible for? I can count at least 8 missing person cases between 1977 and 1980 in NSW that Milat could certainly be a strong suspect for, and given that he wasn't apprehended until the 1990s (and may not have acted alone), there could well be many others out there in that eerie, desolate forest. 

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    Re: More bones found in Belanglo State Forest - another 'Backpacker Murder'?

    I saw a intervew with Paul Onions a few years ago but had totally forgot about this case so I have been rereading up on seeing this thread. But yeah I am not sure if he worked alone,seems unlikely and his murder count is easily in double figures i reckon but just like Peter Tobin, he's never gona speak about it. Gonna have to check that book out Olivia!

    I had never heard of the Bega schoolgirl murders until i looked up Goulburn Supermax, what they put those young girls through is  :2eyesbleed:


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1ts1aqA6ts Someone in the comments claims to be Pauls brother.

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    Re: More bones found in Belanglo State Forest - another 'Backpacker Murder'?

    Five part doc on the case. http://www.youtube.com/user/worldofkillers28#p/c/2EE019D0ACED46E8/0/0E69p-rgPjU

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    BENEATH a blue tarpaulin, off a deserted fire trail in a remote section of the Belanglo State Forest, lies the hopes and fears of more than a dozen families.

    The discovery of an almost intact skeleton on Sunday has sparked a frenzy of theories.

    Given the remains were located in the notorious killing fields of Ivan Milat, police are not ruling out the possibility of another backpacker murder victim.

    And as they wait for forensic experts to attempt to put a name to the bones, the families of up to 15 NSW women who have vanished over the past three decades are wondering if the fate of their loved one will be revealed.

    A trail bike rider discovered the skull, spine, pelvis and at least one femur lodged under a log in dense bushland on Sunday, close to an area known as Dalys Waterhole.

    Police said the skeleton, and a clump of long hair lying next to it, was located in a section of the forest not previously searched.


    The exact site where the remains were found is outside the area combed by police when the bodies of Milat's seven victims from England, Germany and Australia were located in 1992 and 1993.

    Like Milat's victims, the remains were found beside a large fallen tree a short distance from a fire trail. The body may have been exposed by hazard reduction burning.

    The trail bike rider said he knew it was a human skeleton the minute he saw it.

    "We did a U-turn and as we turned back, the skull flicked up," the man, who gave his name as Dave, said.

    "There were no clothes with it, just bones."

    The skeleton was found about 2km from where the bodies of Milat's other victims were found.

    Last night, a woman at the Chatswood home of Milat's brother, Richard, said they "would not be commenting".

    Specialist forensic investigators as well as veteran cold case experts, were taken into the sealed-off area of the forest yesterday to examine the skeleton, which was not removed from the bush until last night.

    Strike Force Hixon has been established to investigate.

    "Obviously there is a lot of speculation surrounding this discovery but we will definitely not be jumping to any conclusions," Acting Superintendent Evan Quarmby said.

    The skeleton will today undergo a post mortem examination to determine the cause of death and how long the remains had been in the bush.

    Supt Quarmby said it was too early to say if the discovery was another Milat victim.



    Read more: http://www.news.com.au/national/grisly-find-reopens-wounds-of-milats-killing-field/story-e6frfkvr-1225912119172#ixzz0y84epKhI

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    POLICE will examine whether the human remains found in Belanglo State Forest could be those of millionaire housewife Kerry Whelan, who was kidnapped and murdered in 1997 by family friend Bruce Burrell, but whose body had never been found.

    While the initial investigative focus is likely to centre on whether the body could be an eighth victim of serial killer Ivan Milat, police are likely to examine other missing persons cases.

    The Whelan case has been linked to the grisly find because Belanglo Forest is near to Burrell's farm, Hillydale, in Bungonia, 185km southwest of Sydney. Reports last night said Whelan's family had been notified of the find.

    Burrell was also convicted of the 1995 murder of elderly widow Dorothy Davis, whose body is still missing.

    Yesterday, the detective who led the investigation into the Ivan Milat murders said police knew of up to two other slayings that could have been the work of Australia's most notorious serial killer.

    The revelation came as NSW police confirmed that a cluster of bones found in rugged scrub in the Belanglo State Forest on Sunday afternoon appeared to be the remains of at least one person.

    While the notorious Belanglo forest was the dumping ground for the remains of Milat's seven victims, Acting Superintendent Evan Quarmby yesterday said police were not willing to speculate on whether this latest discovery could be linked to Australia's "backpacker murderer".

    "Obviously, there is a lot of speculation surrounding this discovery," he said. "We are not drawing any conclusions with any missing persons or past investigations."

    One of the men who made the find said the remains included a skull, ribs and what looked like human leg bones. "We were definitely sure they were human," the rider, who gave his name as Andrew, told Macquarie Radio.

    The grisly discovery was made just off a bush track on Brethren Point Road, about 4km past an ominous green road sign saying: "Belanglo State Forest. Be careful."

    Blue and white police tape, seen all too frequently in Belanglo in the early 1990s, yesterday blocked access to the narrow and windy Brethren Point Road.

    Just 600m behind the tape, forensic police were busy examining the remains.

    The location was not among the corners of the forest previously scoured by police in the early 1990s, when detectives searched the area for signs of Milat's victims.

    The man in charge of that investigation, retired assistant commissioner Clive Small, said it was too early to say if the remains found on Sunday were linked to Milat, who killed and disposed of seven backpackers in the Belanglo forest in the late 1980s and 90s.

    Mr Small said he had been told the remains had been found well away from the seven Milat victims previously found in Belanglo - all of whom were found within a relatively concentrated area.

    "As I understand it, from where it was found . . . it was quite a distance away from where the backpacker murders were," Mr Small said.



    Read more: http://www.news.com.au/national/police-to-check-if-body-is-missing-housewife-kerry-whelans/story-e6frfkvr-1225912117471#ixzz0y8efVJOg

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    SERIAL killer Ivan Milat yesterday denied he had anything to do with the latest human skeleton discovered partially buried in Belanglo State Forest.

    From within his padded cell at Goulburn's Supermax prison in NSW, Milat told Corrective Services staff that police were "way off the mark" if they thought the latest grisly find was the eighth victim of his 1990s killing spree.

    He also used the discovery to taunt investigators, saying he would not assist them if they wished to question him over the remains.

    Sources at the maximum security jail told The Daily Telegraph Milat approached staff early yesterday and asked if they knew anything about the human remains discovered in the same forest where he tortured and buried seven young victims.

    The killer then said police would be "wasting their time" if they planned to question him over the skull, spine and pelvis that trail bike riders discovered on Sunday.

    "He said he had no intention of telling investigators anything, even if they came knocking," the source said.

    But while Milat denied any involvement, his younger brother Walter yesterday said he was not surprised that suspicion was being directed towards his jailed sibling.

    "Every time bones are discovered in that bush, no matter if they are human or animal, people assume it was Ivan. They always will," he said.

    "If they are human bones, and they were found where Ivan's other supposed victims were found, then I guess you have to suspect he did this one too."

    The bones underwent a preliminary post-mortem examination yesterday but police refused to reveal the gender.

    A senior police source did confirm missing mother Kerry Whelan had been ruled out as the victim, while the family of missing Bathurst woman Janine Vaughan hope the find might shed light on her disappearance.



    Read more: http://www.news.com.au/national/milat-taunts-police-killer-wont-answer-questions-about-belanglo-body/story-e6frfkvr-1225912554278#ixzz0yEN5V0un

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    Re: More bones found in Belanglo State Forest - another 'Backpacker Murder'?

    Well, police have ruled out that the remains found at Belanglo recently belong to Kerry Whelan, or missing grandmother, Dorothy Davis, but belong to a woman aged between 20-35 years.

    Looks like they have also been able to determine that they have likely been out there for a number of years - at least 10 years according to some news sources. They have also revealed that there was no obvious signs of trauma on the bones, such as knife or bullet wounds.

    Here's a new article regarding a T-shirt that was found at the scene with the remains, that could potentially help identify this person. The motifs have been identified and police are now trying to track down the manufacturer to narrow the search.


    T-shirt a clue to Belanglo remains
    September 03, 2010

    A PARTLY rotten T-shirt could identify the young woman whose remains were discovered in the Belanglo State Forest in NSW.

    Police sources said yesterday a discoloured T-shirt had been found with the bones, potentially providing a crucial clue in identifying the remains.

    The T-shirt was also partly decomposed but there was enough fabric available for forensic officers to work with to determine the original colour and pattern of the T-shirt and its possible brand.

    Police said the T-shirt could also hold vital clues to the DNA of either the victim or her killer, if not both.

    The preliminary examination of the bones concluded they belonged to a woman aged between 20 and 35 years.

    Police were able to rule out that the bones were those of missing housewife Kerry Whelan or grandmother Dorothy Davis.

    Trail-bike riders made the grisly discovery on Sunday when they came across a skull in long grass.

    A closer inspection by some of the bike riders revealed a spine, pelvis and at least one femur lying near the skull.

    Due to the condition of the bones, it is believed they had been in the bush for years, not months, but the exact length of time will be determined during the full examination.

    Police would not comment yesterday on a short-list of women whose remains they may be, saying it could provide false hope for families.

    "It's still too early for that," a police spokesman said.

    But it is understood the family of missing Bathurst woman Janine Vaughan are among a handful of families who have been spoken to by police since the bones were discovered. Ms Vaughan was 31 when she went missing after a night out in the Central West town in December 2001.

    In NSW alone, 53 women listed on the Missing Person's register fit the age category.

    Police have not ruled out the possibility the woman may be from interstate or overseas.

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/t-shirt-a-clue-to-belanglo-remains/story-e6frf7l6-1225913507905

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    Re: More bones found in Belanglo State Forest - another 'Backpacker Murder'?

    New article with additional information about the site in the Belanglo State Forest where the skeletal remains were discovered.

    Interesting that little tidbit of information that pathologists believe this woman died after Ivan Milat's arrest.

    I wonder how many other secrets this forest has yet to give up. Basically, it should be re-named Belanglo Graveyard and be declared sacred ground. A very spooky, ominous place indeed. 

    T-shirt may hold clues to Belanglo bone mystery
    BEN MCCLELLAN AND LES KENNEDY
    06 Sep, 2010

    POLICE refused to confirm media reports a T-shirt found with female remains holds the key to solving the mystery of last week’s grisly discovery in Belanglo State Forest.

    The remains were at least 10 years old and there was no sign of knife or gun shot trauma, News Limited reported yesterday.

    Identifying the T-shirt and where it came from will be the focus of Strikeforce Hixson. Post-mortem results should be completed today or tomorrow, shedding more light on the woman and how she died.

    It was reported the T-shirt was on the remains and the woman was aged somewhere between 20-30.

    A group of trail-bike riders found the bones at Dalys Waterhole, just off the Red Arm Creek Fire Trail near a wombat hole, around 4km from where Ivan Milat buried his seven victims in the northern part of the forest.

    Police last week wouldn’t comment on what links the evidence had to Milat or if someone else was using the forest’s infamy to put police off their scent.


    Homicide Detective Inspector Mark Newham would only say no ballistics evidence was found at the scene, nor had the victim been shot.

    Disturbingly, 200 metres away, off a smaller fire trail, are the remains of a camp littered with fireplaces, beer bottles and bourbon cans. A Woodstock Bourbon can with two bullet holes is tied to a tree – a shooting gallery that has not been examined by this new search team.

    Backpacker victims Gabor Neugebauer, whose neck was broken and spine severed, and Anja Habschied, who was decapitated, were found under large logs 200 metres from a campsite littered with bottles and cans shot to pieces.


    It was at that site that police recovered bullet cartridges and boxes matched to those found in Milat’s Eagle Vale home when he was arrested in 1994.

    But Inspector Newham said pathologists believe this woman died after Milat’s arrest.

    “There are many names that have been put forward,” he said.

    “The difficulty with identification is that we have to take into consideration the fact that there are also a number of other people from overseas and interstate who are still missing.”

    Many investigators from Task Force Air, the team that locked up Milat, believe he had a partner in crime at some of those scenes.

    http://bowral.yourguide.com.au/news/local/news/general/tshirt-may-hold-clues-to-belanglo-bone-mystery/1933396.aspx

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    Human bones discovered in the notorious NSW Belanglo State Forest last month belong to a young woman aged between 15 and 25, police say.

    Forensic testing also indicates the remains have been there for less than 12 years, ruling out the possibility that her killer was Ivan Milat.

    The bones, including a skull, were found by motorbike trail riders on August 29 in bushland south of Sydney.

    Police released their initial findings today in the hope that the family of the victim may come forward.

    Homicide Squad commander Peter Cotter told journalists the remains belonged to a woman on the younger end of an age range between 15 and 25 years.

    He said the strongest piece of evidence was a woman's T-shirt, which police hope will narrow the search for the victim's family.

    The size 10 short-sleeved shirt was found within two metres of the remains.

    It has a distinctive motif on the front, with the word "Angelic" in hot pink, and was sold across Australia in the early to mid 2000s.

    "We are asking for any members of the public to come forward who might have knowledge of this T-shirt," Superintendent Cotter said.

    Also found with the remains was an anklet sock, a shoelace and an earring.

    Investigators believe the evidence narrows their search to 20 to 30 young women who have gone missing, but that list would increase if the victim comes from outside NSW or overseas.

    "As yet, we do not know who the remains are," Superintendent Cotter said, adding that forensic testing showed the skeleton had been in its location no more than 10 to 12 years.

    The Belanglo forest was the killing ground for Milat, who partly buried seven young victims there in the early 1990s.


    http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/it-wasnt-milat-hot-pink-angelic-clue-to-bones-in-belanglo-20100915-15bzx.html


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    Re: More bones found in Belanglo State Forest - another 'Backpacker Murder'?

    Thanks for the up-date Olivia.

    This one has me intrigued. I hope this individual is identified soon.

    Have they released the colour of the hair found near the remains? Also, what do they mean when they say 20-30 missing women in NSW match the forensic evidence? I'm assuming they are saying that 20-30 of those listed as missing fall into the same age bracket as the remains found.

    Here's another article, including an artist's impression of the motif on the T-shirt.

    Belanglo bones those of a young woman
    BY NINO BUCCI, POLICE REPORTER
    16 Sep, 2010 07:37 AM

    Bones found in the Belanglo State Forest last month are from a young woman believed to have been murdered years after serial killer Ivan Milat was jailed.

    A forensic analysis of the bones has revealed the woman was aged between 15 and 25 when she died. A cause of death is yet to be determined.

    The bones are believed to have been in the area for up to 12 years, but the woman could have been killed as recently as four years ago as a T-shirt found near the remains was only on sale between 2003 and 2006.

    Homicide squad commander Detective Superintendent Peter Cotter said it was believed the remains were of a woman at the younger end of the 15 to 25 age bracket. He said there were 20 to 30 women reported missing in NSW who matched the forensic evidence, but the victim could be from overseas or interstate.

    There are no ACT women reported missing who fit the profile.

    Samples of DNA have been taken from the bones, but not all missing persons' case files have samples.

    Superintendent Cotter said a skull found with the remains contained most of the victim's teeth.

    A white anklet sock, sleeper earring and shoelace were also found near the bones, which were discovered by a group of trail bike riders near Dalys Waterhole on August 29.

    Police issued an artist's impression of the T-shirt yesterday, the strongest piece of evidence found at the scene.

    The T-shirt is described as being short sleeve, with a distinct motif featuring the word Angelic in pink text, a rose and a heart with angel wings.

    The brand, Chain Reaction for Girls, is no longer available in NSW.

    The size 10 shirt was found within 2m of the remains.



    http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news/local/news/general/belanglo-bones-those-of-a-young-woman/1943300.aspx

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    DETECTIVES are preparing for a worldwide search to identify the young woman whose skeletal remains were found in a forest in NSW.

    Investigators on the Belanglo forest case have been unable to find a match for the DNA sample that was extracted from the teeth and jaw area. Searches of the national missing persons archives have all been unsuccessful.

    The Sunday Telegraph has been told the next phase of the investigation will involve Interpol.

    A global police search strengthens the theory that the skeleton belonged to a foreign tourist or backpacker.

    The remains were discovered on August 29 by trailbike riders in the notorious forest, where serial murderer Ivan Milat killed his victims.

    Police have confirmed they are no longer investigating any link with Milat, who is serving a life sentence at Goulburn's Supermax.

    Forensic testing has shown the remains belong to a woman who was aged between 15 and 25. However, investigators believe her age was at the "younger end of the scale".

    The cause of death has been determined as "inconclusive", but a senior police source said the circumstances of the discovery - particularly the fact that the bones were scattered - pointed to foul play.

    "We may not be successful in Australia. We may very well have to look worldwide -we have to look at that possibility," the police source said.

    Investigators had placed much of their hopes on a public appeal made earlier this month, when they released an image of a T-shirt worn by the woman when she died. An earring and an anklet were also found.

    "It hasn't resolved the situation, unfortunately."

    Six detectives have been placed on the "high-priority" case, code-named Strike Force Hixson, to track down family members of known missing women.

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/belanglo-body-may-be-overseas-backpacker/story-e6frf7l6-1225933301336

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    I was so hoping that this up-date would confirm an ID as one of the many missing local girls in NSW.

    After Milat was convicted, NSW police did publicly acknowledge the possiblity that they may be dealing with more than one serial killer. There was a spate of suspicious disappearances of young female hitch-hikers in 1997 that remain unsolved --> http://www.redcliff.com.au/redcliff-news/1997/10/28/highways-the-deadly-new-hunting-grounds/

    If a foreign teenager (whether a backpacker or a tourist) suddenly vanished in NSW, surely there would be some sort of information or news article about their disappearance at the time? I'm finding it hard to believe that nobody knows who this girl is. 

    It is still creeping me out that Belanglo State Forest was chosen as the dump site. Everyone knows what happened in Belanglo, so you can only assume the location was perhaps chosen deliberately.

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    There are some updates on this one that weren't added at the time they occurred. She's still unidentified but is now known as "Belangalo Angel". Her age is said to be at the lower end of the 15-25 range. NSW Police have released facial reconstruction images & images of the design on the tshirt found with her. According to some media releases this is the first time NSW Police have used a facial reconstruction artist to help identify a victim. I can barely get a post to work from my ph so someone else might want to post the Belangalo Angel images/links if anyone's interested.

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    http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/who-is-she...202-1oa1x.html

    Investigators said they have been unable to identify the girl or woman - whom they named "Angel" after a T-shirt with the word "Angelic" was found near her remains - despite extensive inquiries across Australia for more than a year.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/who-is-she...#ixzz2LippUzHn


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    In late 1988, I was hitching from Melbourne to Byron Bay, intending to spend a bit of time there before heading to Nimbin. I'd been on the road for days without any sleep at all, was buzzing on uppers a trucker gave me to help me stay awake, and somewhere between Grafton and Ballina I broke my own hitching code out of sheer exhaustion and accepted a ride from a car rather than a truck (the truckers were pretty cool to ride with, most were family men and all were very - and rightfully - concerned for my safety).

    This guy seemed okay for a little while but soon got creepy. Then I noticed there was no inside handles on his car, except for his. I told him I was happy to be dropped off in the next town, but he said he wasn't going to let me out. He said a bunch of things I was too scared at the time to remember, but I do remember that he wasn't going to let me out, and seemed to be enjoying scaring me as he drove around for what must have been hours, with me in the front seat and my pack in the back.

    I said something that made him laugh. He stopped the car, walked around to my door, let me out and threw my pack into the edge of a cane field. He said something about me being lucky, or something to that effect. It was pitch dark, and I was too scared to go look for it. I sat on the side of the road in the middle of nowhere and cried my eyes out. I was pretty scared. I thought for sure he would come back and kill me but there was really nowhere I could go so I just waited there praying for another ride to show up.

    Finally, a couple of young blokes headed for Ballina pulled over. I was a mess.. I found my pack and got in the car. They must've thought I was off my rocker, my eyes were swollen from crying and I was babbling like an idiot about being glad their car had inside door handles, lol.

    Anyway, this was my scary hitch-hiking story. A few years later, I was watching TV with some friends and - there was the scary ride guy. I was freaking out, "OMG, OMG, IT'S HIM, IT'S THAT GUY". That guy was Richard Milat, being interviewed about the Belanglo murders. And swearing up and down he had nothing to do with those.

    RICHARD MILAT, YOUNGER BROTHER: Well, I never did anything wrong, and that's all to it. I'm sure by now, if I did anything, they would?ve found out, if they thought I was there or anything to do with it.

    I don't believe him.
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    Thanx woofrigginhoo for posting the pic. & Ausgirl, I've been trying & trying to post responses to you but ph posting is even worse than usual today so after 2hrs of failure I'm giving up til I can get to a computer (&that really means til the kids are in bed).

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    Ausgirl - a friend of mine works at goulburn jail and says that Ivan Milan swears black and blue that his brother/s were involved.

    Have you read Sins of the Brother about the milats? A very screwed up family.

    Are you on websleuths under the same user name?

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