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    Re: Wayne Treacy (15) allegedly beat Josie Ratley (15) until she was comatose.

    People made asshole comments to me when I was 15.
    People make asshole comments to me pretty much every day. [size=6pt]Maybe I'm in the wrong line of work.[/size]  :lol:
    I haven't and don't respond with physical violence. I generally respond by laughing at them for being assholes.

    And bowie... I thought punching the bully was the alternative to self loathing? Now I'm really confused!

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    Re: Wayne Treacy (15) allegedly beat Josie Ratley (15) until she was comatose.

    [quote author=sogs link=topic=24661.msg1700394#msg1700394 date=1282504173]
    Wayne disagrees.

    I'm with the that's bullshit. Words DO affect you. I make no apology that at times peoples words make me angry. Granted I don't beat them. However my brothers are still with me and I'm not 15, so I have no idea how I would feel in his place.
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    Just because it's understandable that he beat her ass doesn't make it the right thing to do.
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    Re: Wayne Treacy (15) allegedly beat Josie Ratley (15) until she was comatose.

    [quote author=Fleta link=topic=24661.msg1700397#msg1700397 date=1282504331]
    People made asshole comments to me when I was 15.
    People make asshole comments to me pretty much every day. [size=6pt]Maybe I'm in the wrong line of work.[/size]  :lol:
    I haven't and don't respond with physical violence. I generally respond by laughing at them for being assholes.

    And bowie... I thought punching the bully was the alternative to self loathing? Now I'm really confused!
    [/quote]
    I think you were confusing people by insinuating that the person who refuses to take shit is somehow the one who is full of self-loathing.

    I think it's also a very different thing to be a full grown adult with the ability to rationalize. Unfortunately, it's always easier to look at someone's behavior from a cool, indifferent perspective and imagine how we'd handle it. The heat the of moment where emotions are all over the place is very different. I don't condone violence in anyway but I see where it happens with young teens, for sure. It's like, how many small children rationalize an inequality on the playgound? [flash=200,200]http://No, they cry, tattle, or fight.[/flash]

    Like I said, by the time I was around 13, I was bright enough to come up with some pretty slamming one-liners as responses. But if you just 'blow off' a bully, to be honest, they just keep doing it until you snap, because they're assholes. It's like a barking dog.

    Edited to add that looking at therapy rates, the prison system, and 911 calls, the same can be said about adults, for the most part. Just in a more complex manner. Some people get abused, they become prisoners to the abuse. Some suicide, some call for help, some go out and shoot the person. And some walk away, but I'd speculate fewer do that than the other options.

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    [quote author=aphaziak link=topic=24661.msg1700398#msg1700398 date=1282504458]
    Just because it's understandable that he beat her ass doesn't make it the right thing to do.
    [/quote] never said it was the right thing to do.

    I think they were both assholes.

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    [quote author=sogs link=topic=24661.msg1700404#msg1700404 date=1282505236]
    never said it was the right thing to do.

    I think they were both assholes.
    [/quote]
    Yep. But if you point out her culpability in her own beating, some people get uphauled.
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    Re: Wayne Treacy (15) allegedly beat Josie Ratley (15) until she was comatose.

    [quote author=sogs link=topic=24661.msg1700404#msg1700404 date=1282505236]
    never said it was the right thing to do.

    I think they were both assholes.
    [/quote]

    Never said they weren't. Just saying it isn't right.

    Most of the people I meet on an everyday basis are assholes. I'd have multiple life sentences if I did whatever I wanted to do, whenever I felt like it.
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    [quote author=Ron_NYC link=topic=24661.msg1700406#msg1700406 date=1282505523]
    Yep. But if you point out her culpability in her own beating, some people get [i[uphauled[/i].
    [/quote] I also blame a lack of reading comprehension on a lot of these posts.

    As you said had he killed himself over it, She would be villianized.

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    [quote author=sogs link=topic=24661.msg1700409#msg1700409 date=1282505700]
    I also blame a lack of reading comprehension on a lot of these posts.

    As you said had he killed himself over it, She would be villianized.
    [/quote]

    Of course. But life isn't fair. It is what it is.

    (My reading comprehension is just fine.  I assure you.)

    If everyone beats on anybody whenever they feel it's right then.... oh wait, it would be just like it is today.  :|
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    Re: Wayne Treacy (15) allegedly beat Josie Ratley (15) until she was comatose.

    [quote author=aphaziak link=topic=24661.msg1700408#msg1700408 date=1282505653]
    Never said they weren't. Just saying it isn't right.

    Most of the people I meet on an everyday basis are assholes. I'd have multiple life sentences if I did whatever I wanted to do, whenever I felt like it.
    [/quote]So would everyone else on the planet.

    I am not calling him a hero. I am just not all poor thing got beat after being a dick.
    She jabbed at a very sensitive area for him and he snapped. That was stupid of her and he was still wrong.

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    Re: Wayne Treacy (15) allegedly beat Josie Ratley (15) until she was comatose.

    [quote author=aphaziak link=topic=24661.msg1700411#msg1700411 date=1282505928]
    Of course. But life isn't fair. It is what it is.

    (My reading comprehension is just fine.  I assure you.)

    If everyone beats on anybody whenever they feel it's right then.... oh wait, it would be just like it is today.  :|
    [/quote]It isn't. You are arguing a point I wasn't making.

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    Re: Wayne Treacy (15) allegedly beat Josie Ratley (15) until she was comatose.

    [quote author=sogs link=topic=24661.msg1700412#msg1700412 date=1282505970]
    So would everyone else on the planet.

    I am not calling him a hero. I am just not all poor thing got beat after being a dick.
    She jabbed at a very sensitive area for him and he snapped. That was stupid of her and he was still wrong.
    [/quote]

    As long as we're both agreeing on the "it still wasn't right thing" I think we agree.

    She was a shitty bitch for poking at the sensitive, horrible spots. He was a shitty asshole for beating her over it.

    I just can't agree that he had the "right" to do this as some people seem to be insinuating. That's all. Never said that you were the one to say that either.

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    Re: Wayne Treacy (15) allegedly beat Josie Ratley (15) until she was comatose.

    [quote author=aphaziak link=topic=24661.msg1700415#msg1700415 date=1282506183]
    As long as we're both agreeing on the "it still wasn't right thing" I think we agree.

    She was a shitty bitch for poking at the sensitive, horrible spots. He was a shitty asshole for beating her over it.

    I just can't agree that he had the "right" to do this as some people seem to be insinuating. That's all. Never said that you were the one to say that either.


    [/quote]He had no right. 0.

    I think we agree.

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    [quote author=bowieluva link=topic=24661.msg1700399#msg1700399 date=1282504651]
    I think you were confusing people by insinuating that the person who refuses to take shit is somehow the one who is full of self-loathing.

    I think it's also a very different thing to be a full grown adult with the ability to rationalize. Unfortunately, it's always easier to look at someone's behavior from a cool, indifferent perspective and imagine how we'd handle it. The heat the of moment where emotions are all over the place is very different. I don't condone violence in anyway but I see where it happens with young teens, for sure. It's like, how many small children rationalize an inequality on the playgound? [flash=200,200]http://No, they cry, tattle, or fight.[/flash]

    Like I said, by the time I was around 13, I was bright enough to come up with some pretty slamming one-liners as responses. But if you just 'blow off' a bully, to be honest, they just keep doing it until you snap, because they're assholes. It's like a barking dog.

    Edited to add that looking at therapy rates, the prison system, and 911 calls, the same can be said about adults, for the most part. Just in a more complex manner. Some people get abused, they become prisoners to the abuse. Some suicide, some call for help, some go out and shoot the person. And some walk away, but I'd speculate fewer do that than the other options.
    [/quote]

    I made no such insinuation. I just think that NOT beating people up does NOT mean you hate yourself.

    I'm not comparing people making asshole comments to people in abusive relationships.

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    No one ever, at any time, has said he had a 'right' to do anything. Everyone is saying that it takes two to create a situation like this. That's been said repeatedly for like forty pages now. If you poke a lion, you might get mauled.  No one here is an innocent victim, and they've both been victimized, and now both of their lives are ruined forever.

    The intent of understanding basic human psychology is UNDERSTANDING it, not agreeing with the mindset. You can GET why someone saw that a+b=c without agreeing to their conclusion.  I understand why people like Jimi Hendrix but I still think he's as boring as watching paint dry. See what I did there?

    This is why people are like 'suicide bombers? WHAT I DON'T EVEN WHATEVER.' because it's outside of their spectrum of morality, ethics, and personal belief system. But understanding how they perceive their motives helps to figure out ways to prevent this from happening.[quote author=Fleta link=topic=24661.msg1700417#msg1700417 date=1282506392]
    I made no such insinuation. I just think that NOT beating people up does NOT mean you hate yourself.

    I'm not comparing people making asshole comments to people in abusive relationships.
    [/quote]
    I agree with you. The way you worded your original post did not seem like it was discussing that, but rather that people who confront a bully are all full of self-hate. That, I would disagree with, although I do think that ESPECIALLY IN ADULTS, violence is the last resort of the person who doesn't have the abilitt to properly compartmentalize and rationalize whose opinion counts.

    However, we're talking about teenagers here. I realized in junior high that the emotional transition between childhood and being an adult makes everyone a sociopath for about two years of their lives.

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    Re: Wayne Treacy (15) allegedly beat Josie Ratley (15) until she was comatose.

    [quote author=sogs link=topic=24661.msg1700416#msg1700416 date=1282506378]
    He had no right. 0.

    I think we agree.
    [/quote]

    I think so.

    [quote author=bowieluva link=topic=24661.msg1700418#msg1700418 date=1282506706]
    No one ever, at any time, has said he had a 'right' to do anything. Everyone is saying that it takes two to create a situation like this. That's been said repeatedly for like forty pages now. If you poke a lion, you might get mauled. No one here is an innocent victim, and they've both been victimized, and now both of their lives are ruined forever.
    [/quote]

    I absolutely agree with you. This is generally how the world works. Doesn't mean that the way that human nature works is the correct way. That is all that I'm saying.
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    [quote author=bowieluva link=topic=24661.msg1700418#msg1700418 date=1282506706]
    This is why people are like 'suicide bombers? WHAT I DON'T EVEN WHATEVER.' because it's outside of their spectrum of morality, ethics, and personal belief system. But understanding how they perceive their motives helps to figure out ways to prevent this from happening.

    ..... although I do think that ESPECIALLY IN ADULTS, violence is the last resort of the person who doesn't have the abilitt to properly compartmentalize and rationalize whose opinion counts.
    [/quote]


    That makes up for the Hendrix thing.


    [quote author=aphaziak link=topic=24661.msg1700423#msg1700423 date=1282506950]
    I absolutely agree with you. This is generally how the world works. Doesn't mean that the way that human nature works is the correct way. That is all that I'm saying.
    [/quote]
    Have you read a paper lately? :lol:
    We're animals!
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    [quote author=Ron_NYC link=topic=24661.msg1700426#msg1700426 date=1282507074]


    That makes up for the Hendrix thing.

    Have you read a paper lately? :lol:
    We're animals!
    [/quote]

    Uhhh yes. I read lots actually.  :x We ARE animals. With very highly evolved brains. 

    I think we owe ourselves more than to act like the average chimp or lion.

    I'm a bleeding heart, remember? I'm destined to be crushed and disappointed by the reality of this universe. I've accepted that.
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    So it's kinda pointless to teach my preschoolers, "you have every right to be angry but you never have the right to put your hands on someone."  :lol: Ok, that's all I'm saying. I've said everything I could possibly say and would just be repeating myself at this point which is just annoying.
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    [quote author=aphaziak link=topic=24661.msg1700430#msg1700430 date=1282507277]
    Uhhh yes. I read lots actually.  :x We ARE animals. With very highly evolved brains. 

    I think we owe ourselves more than to act like the average chimp or lion.

    I'm a bleeding heart, remember? I'm destined to be crushed and disappointed by the reality of this universe. I've accepted that.
    [/quote]
    Yea, being a bleeding heart is tough.


    [quote author=TheFavoriteDaughter link=topic=24661.msg1700435#msg1700435 date=1282507565]
    So it's kinda pointless to teach my preschoolers, "you have every right to be angry but you never have the right to put your hands on someone." 
    :lol: Ok, that's all I'm saying. I've said everything I could possibly say and would just be repeating myself at this point which is just annoying.
    [/quote]
    Huh? No. Of course that should be taught (it sinks in for some of us).
    But they should also be taught just how hurtful words can be, and to be respectful of others and their feelings. Not to mention that a death in the family is serious, and that mocking and taunting someone over the suicide of a person they were close to is outright disgusting.

    But yea, he hit someone....so that's all that's important. I forgot.

    [quote author=bowieluva link=topic=24661.msg1700443#msg1700443 date=1282508454]
    No one is saying it's pointless. People are saying it's important to understand the one kid in your class who is like 'that rule makes no sense to me and Im going to keep on hitting.'
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    :lol: That too.
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    [quote author=TheFavoriteDaughter link=topic=24661.msg1700435#msg1700435 date=1282507565]
    So it's kinda pointless to teach my preschoolers, "you have every right to be angry but you never have the right to put your hands on someone."  :lol: Ok, that's all I'm saying. I've said everything I could possibly say and would just be repeating myself at this point which is just annoying.
    [/quote]
    No one is saying it's pointless. People are saying it's important to understand the one kid in your class who is like 'that rule makes no sense to me and Im going to keep on hitting.'

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    [quote author=bowieluva link=topic=24661.msg1700443#msg1700443 date=1282508454]
    No one is saying it's pointless. People are saying it's important to understand the one kid in your class who is like 'that rule makes no sense to me and Im going to keep on hitting.'
    [/quote]

    You can understand a person like this, sure. Seriously, I'm empathetic to a pathetic degree (even to my own standards).

    The "rule" doesn't make sense to me as a rule. I treat people how I want to be treated. Why is this so hard to understand to so many people I meet? I learned it the hard way. Even if it doesn't work out that way I know I did my best.

    What else is there to do? Does knowing mean you can change them or stop them? I'm not so sure.
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    [quote author=Ron_NYC link=topic=24661.msg1700441#msg1700441 date=1282508239]
    Yea, being a bleeding heart is tough.

    Huh? No. Of course that should be taught (it sinks in for some of us).
    But they should also be taught just how hurtful words can be, and to be respectful of others and their feelings. Not to mention that a death in the family is serious, and that mocking and taunting someone over the suicide of a person they were close to is outright disgusting.

    But yea, he hit someone....so that's all that's important. I forgot.
    :lol: That too.
    [/quote]
    [quote author=bowieluva link=topic=24661.msg1700443#msg1700443 date=1282508454]
    No one is saying it's pointless. People are saying it's important to understand the one kid in your class who is like 'that rule makes no sense to me and Im going to keep on hitting.'
    [/quote]

    I was being facetious  :-P Humor fail
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    Awww this is such a sad story i think about how my 5yr starts her first day of school tommor nd i have another lil girl going into 2nd and you think that would be one of the safe place to be and its now like one of the worst one you have to worry about kids bring guns and blowing up schools and u got teachers having sex with there kids kids beating the shit out each other over stupid text msg what has this fucked up world coming to ...I wish we could start over with new kids these's ones need to locked away and throw away the key

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    [quote author=SARASOTAS-FINEST link=topic=24661.msg1700619#msg1700619 date=1282528696]

    Awww this is such a sad story i think about how my 5yr starts her first day of school tommor nd i have another lil girl going into 2nd and you think that would be one of the safe place to be and its now like one of the worst one you have to worry about kids bring guns and blowing up schools and u got teachers having sex with there kids kids beating the shit out each other over stupid text msg what has this fucked up world coming to ...I wish we could start over with new kids these's ones need to locked away and throw away the key[/quote]

    :lol: Is this for real, or a joke? Funny either way. The last line is especially poignant. Now my friends, I believe the argument has finally been settled. A solution's been found. The thread has been won.

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