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    [quote author=irishkat link=topic=24661.msg1661596#msg1661596 date=1278259382]
    It's just sad all the way around.  Both of them are children.  Both of them will never live a normal life from here on out.  Both are products of their upbringing (at least to some extent).

    She seems a bit unwise and he clearly has anger issues.  And in my opinion, if the step-father is saying crap like that when he KNOWS it's being recorded, you have to wonder how he REALLY feels and what he would say behind closed doors.  I find it chilling. 

    I don't get the bully feeling off of her.  I think she was trying to defend a friend and made some seriously bad choices in how she did that.  Clearly he's not some fading wallflower victim.  In addition, how do you truly bully someone you don't even know? 

    Whatever the case, she is paying a high price for some poorly chosen words.  He also will pay a high price for not controlling his temper. Sad.
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    I totally agree, it is sad all around.  He never stood a chance, and now his life is ruined.  Her words, which honestly weren't that bad, cost more than it ever should have.  Truly sad all around.  Also, Wayne may actually get the help he needs and better himself and have more of a chance than he would have with his family...depending on his sentence, etc. of course.

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    [quote author=Ash_Lee link=topic=24661.msg1661605#msg1661605 date=1278261060]
    NOBODY has said what he did was justified.
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    Oh really  :lol: It's been implied at the very least

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    Questioning your parenting is ridic, as I've gone into so many times before. I have three kids, all raised by me, all very, very different. It's not about nurture in my opinion.

    I don't know why some think this is all his fault. I can't work up much sympathy for her at all, and I don't expect everyone to be like that, but damn, she started the whole thing.

    I'll never be able to see her as the huge sympathetic figure others seem to because of the whole bully thing. If this kid would have killed himself half this board and the world would be all this over this girl, saying what a little bitch she is.

    So next time there is a bullying death on the board stop and think about how you would feel if the 'victim' had stomped the shit out of the bully instead of killing him/herself.

    You just can't have it both ways and sway whichever way the wind blows with your sympathy and outrage. A bully is a bully and sometimes they get what they deserve.
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    [quote author=TheFavoriteDaughter link=topic=24661.msg1661744#msg1661744 date=1278273486]
    Oh really  :lol: It's been implied at the very least

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    People here have differing opinions on shit. Get the fuck over it.  :roll:
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    [quote author=deeply shaded link=topic=24661.msg1661745#msg1661745 date=1278273552]
    People here have differing opinions on shit. Get the fuck over it.  :roll:
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    Pot, kettle. Ash said no one said it was justified and I was pointing out that you implied it. Has nothing to do with differing views.
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    [quote author=TheFavoriteDaughter link=topic=24661.msg1661747#msg1661747 date=1278273669]
    Pot, kettle. Ash said no one said it was justified and I was pointing out that you implied it. Has nothing to do with differing views.
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    I never said she deserved it. In fact, I've said she didn't She did, however, ask for it, in my opinion. Problem is she asked for it from someone who didn't have the maturity to turn her down.
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    Re: Wayne Treacy (15) allegedly beat Josie Ratley (15) until she was comatose.

    yeah, i think its been implied a bunch of times.  i dont get it...they feel bad for the guy who almost beat a girl to death, and are putting the blame on the girl who made a mean comment.    it is NOT her fault.  it doesnt matter what she said to him, he had no right to do what he did.  and that kid was a ticking time bomb.  if he hadn't been set off by the comment that she made, it would have been a comment someone else made, and a different person would have been beaten.
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    Half the world is drooling over this poor, poor little girl. Why does it bother some so much that a few aren't jumping on the pity wagon for her? *shrug* Who cares and why? Truth be told I don't care about either one of them. It's not like we know them. But if I have to have an opinion I'm going to say yeah, she asked for it and yeah, he should have known better by age 15 then to kick the crap out of someone, but he didn't. They're both wrong and they're both paying the price.
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    [quote author=deeply shaded link=topic=24661.msg1661752#msg1661752 date=1278274207]
    Half the world is drooling over this poor, poor little girl. Why does it bother some so much that a few aren't jumping on the pity wagon for her? *shrug* Who cares and why? Truth be told I don't care about either one of them. It's not like we know them. But if I have to have an opinion I'm going to say yeah, she asked for it and yeah, he should have known better by age 15 then to kick the crap out of someone, but he didn't. They're both wrong and they're both paying the price.
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    did you read the text transcripts?    wayne admitted that what she said wasnt that bad, and she didnt deserve it.  what she said wasnt that bad at all. she wasnt asking for it.
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    [quote author=neenerneener link=topic=24661.msg1661754#msg1661754 date=1278274360]
    did you read the text transcripts?     wayne admitted that what she said wasnt that bad, and she didnt deserve it.  what she said wasnt that bad at all. she wasnt asking for it.
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    Nope. I rarely watch videos or click links to long, involved, legal shit. Doesn't change my opinion, which means nothing in the scheme of things so leave me alone. 
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    [quote author=deeply shaded link=topic=24661.msg1661757#msg1661757 date=1278274464]
    Nope. I rarely watch videos or click links to long, involved, legal shit. Doesn't change my opinion, which means nothing in the scheme of things so leave me alone. 
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    [quote author=neenerneener link=topic=24661.msg1661760#msg1661760 date=1278274516]

    :2angry: :2angry: :2angry:
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      I'm tired of Wayne and Josie.
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      I'm tired of Wayne and Josie.
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    :lol: :kiss3:

    if i wind up stabbing you, i hope people read this and realize that you deserved it.  it was all your fault. 
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    :lol: :kiss3:

    if i wind up stabbing you, i hope people read this and realize that you deserved it.  it was all your fault.  
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    Re: Wayne Treacy (15) allegedly beat Josie Ratley (15) until she was comatose.

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    I never said she deserved it. In fact, I've said she didn't She did, however, ask for it, in my opinion. Problem is she asked for it from someone who didn't have the maturity to turn her down.
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    THIS! DS I am so with you on this one. It can't go both ways, and if her words cause this kid to kill himself everyone would act like this girl was the anti-Christ. Deserved it? No. Asked for it? Certainly.
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    Re: Wayne Treacy (15) allegedly beat Josie Ratley (15) until she was comatose.

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    yeah, i think its been implied a bunch of times.  i dont get it...they feel bad for the guy who almost beat a girl to death, and are putting the blame on the girl who made a mean comment.     it is NOT her fault.  it doesnt matter what she said to him, he had no right to do what he did.  and that kid was a ticking time bomb.  if he hadn't been set off by the comment that she made, it would have been a comment someone else made, and a different person would have been beaten.
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    She had no right to say what she did either.  It sucks for both of them for completely different reasons, but, yeah he threw his life down the drain and seems to regret it immensely, she was the one who stirred the pot. 
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    Re: Wayne Treacy (15) allegedly beat Josie Ratley (15) until she was comatose.

    For you who think I have a shitty opinion, check this out that I got from comments after an article.

    I'm happy she didn't die. It'll be much more difficult to charge Wayne as an adult now. Fingers crossed that he gets out at 21 and that she's confined to a nursing home for the rest of her life. The idea of karma is retarded, but it sure seems like it's at work here.

     That nursing home for the rest of her life thing is pretty harsh. I wish they could both have a second chance to recover from this childhood stupidity turned tragedy and grow to adulthood.

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    http://www.truecrimereport.com/2010/04/josie_ratley_the_15-year-old_g.php
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    Re: Wayne Treacy (15) allegedly beat Josie Ratley (15) until she was comatose.

    i haven't been following this case very much, and while I don't agree with what he did, you can't go around mouthing off to everyone and not expect it to catch up at some point.

    it's like when someone on foot smacks a car at an intersection because the driver has pulled up past the line. and then when the driver gets out and beats the shit out of the person they're like  "you can't hit me, it's against the law."

    if you're going to start shit you need to realize the "law" isn't going to be there to protect you at the time, and if you can't protect yourself maybe you shouldn't be starting shit.

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    Re: Wayne Treacy (15) allegedly beat Josie Ratley (15) until she was comatose.

    [quote author=Ash_Lee link=topic=24661.msg1661782#msg1661782 date=1278276379]
    She had no right to say what she did either.  It sucks for both of them for completely different reasons, but, yeah he threw his life down the drain and seems to regret it immensely, she was the one who stirred the pot. 
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    The fact is, she did have the right to say whatever she wanted and he did NOT have the right to stomp on her head because of it.  I mean Jesus! What ever happened to sticks and stones will break my bones.  This shit is just ridiculous. 

    This is exactly what kids do every day (find someone's weakness and exploit it) and thank god the end result is usually just a simple fist fight or whatever.  It's not like she killed his brother or something.  That may have warranted a head stomping.  I mean, really think about what he did to her.  That's some cold, cold hearted shit.  It takes a monster to do that.  Plain and simple.

    Feel sorry for her or not, what he did was absolutely ridiculous.  People who cannot control their emotions in a reasonable way are broken and need to be removed from the general population.  With any luck he will be gone for a long, long time.

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    Re: Wayne Treacy (15) allegedly beat Josie Ratley (15) until she was comatose.

    We've discussed the sticks and stones thing in this thread before. That saying is complete bullshit. Words most certainly can hurt.

    He's not a monster. He's a fucking kid. Jeez. Someone used the excuse for her that she's just a kid, but so is he. His reaction was certainly over the top, but it doesn't mean he is permanently broken.

    Fact is in society some kids are thought of as throwaway kids (not in the way that Peavey's study used it) and I think he was one of those kids. They aren't smart enough or motivated enough or have disabilities that teachers can't be bothered with, not popular enough for other kids to care, have uninvolved or too busy or just don't give a damn parents. They are kids without a chance and it makes me honestly nauseous to see him called a monster and wishing for him to be locked up forever. Just continue to throw him away. The faster we get him out of society the better.

    Meanwhile, she's a spoiled, snot nosed little brat and is perfectly innocent of all blame.  :2angry:

    I hope he gets a lawyer like Cody Posey had. He so deserves someone to give a damn.
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    Re: Wayne Treacy (15) allegedly beat Josie Ratley (15) until she was comatose.

    [quote author=irishkat link=topic=24661.msg1661805#msg1661805 date=1278280152]
    The fact is, she did have the right to say whatever she wanted and he did NOT have the right to stomp on her head because of it.  I mean Jesus! What ever happened to sticks and stones will break my bones.  This shit is just ridiculous. 

    This is exactly what kids do every day (find someone's weakness and exploit it) and thank god the end result is usually just a simple fist fight or whatever.  It's not like she killed his brother or something.  That may have warranted a head stomping.  I mean, really think about what he did to her.  That's some cold, cold hearted shit.  It takes a monster to do that.  Plain and simple.

    Feel sorry for her or not, what he did was absolutely ridiculous.  People who cannot control their emotions in a reasonable way are broken and need to be removed from the general population.  With any luck he will be gone for a long, long time.
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    You also have the right to walk around the projects naked or leave your car running with the door open. Doesn't make either one of them a good idea. And words most certainly can hurt, and the response to those words can hurt too. The girl was asking for it. Don't poke a tiger with a stick and get surprised when you get bit.
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    Re: Wayne Treacy (15) allegedly beat Josie Ratley (15) until she was comatose.

    [quote author=irishkat link=topic=24661.msg1661805#msg1661805 date=1278280152]
    The fact is, she did have the right to say whatever she wanted and he did NOT have the right to stomp on her head because of it.  I mean Jesus! What ever happened to sticks and stones will break my bones.  This shit is just ridiculous.  

    This is exactly what kids do every day (find someone's weakness and exploit it) and thank god the end result is usually just a simple fist fight or whatever.  It's not like she killed his brother or something.  That may have warranted a head stomping.  I mean, really think about what he did to her.  That's some cold, cold hearted shit.  It takes a monster to do that.  Plain and simple.

    Feel sorry for her or not, what he did was absolutely ridiculous.  People who cannot control their emotions in a reasonable way are broken and need to be removed from the general population.  With any luck he will be gone for a long, long time.
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    I disagree. Technically you may "have the right" to say whatever you want but human beings are emotional creatures despite what the law dictates.

    If I went up to a woman after she was raped and laughed at her and told her it was her fault, i'd expect to get my ass kicked.
    If I went up to a retarded child and told him he was ugly and a freak of nature, i'd expect to get my ass kicked.
    If I went up to an Iraq veterans widow and told her her husband deserved to die, i'd expect to get my ass kicked.

    I sincerely think this keeps people in check for the most part.

    I don't believe laws really do anything but punish people after the fact, which is a good thing, but they're still useless during the incident. People still kill, rob, and rape, despite the consequences.

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    Re: Wayne Treacy (15) allegedly beat Josie Ratley (15) until she was comatose.

    [quote author=Ron_NYC link=topic=24661.msg1661812#msg1661812 date=1278280833]
    You also have the right to walk around the projects naked or leave your car running with the door open. Doesn't make either one of them a good idea. And words most certainly can hurt, and the response to those words can hurt too. The girl was asking for it. Don't poke a tiger with a stick and get surprised when you get bit.
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    what would you know about that?  :x

    [quote author=delta9 link=topic=24661.msg1661813#msg1661813 date=1278280942]
    I disagree. Technically you may "have the right" to say whatever you want but human beings are emotional creatures despite what the law dictates.

    If I went up to a woman after she was raped and laughed at her and told her it was her fault, i'd expect to get my ass kicked.
    If I went up to a retarded child and told him he was ugly and a freak of nature, i'd expect to get my ass kicked.
    If I went up to an Iraq veterans widow and told her her husband deserved to die, i'd expect to get my ass kicked.

    I sincerely think this keeps people in check for the most part.

    I don't believe laws really do anything but punish people after the fact, which is a good thing, but they're still useless during the incident. People still kill, rob, and rape, despite the consequences.
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    you might expect it, but that doesnt mean that an ass kicking is a normal response.  i get where you're coming from, but i DON'T get where people are feeling sorrier for wayne than they do for josie. 
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    [quote author=irishkat link=topic=24661.msg1661805#msg1661805 date=1278280152]
    The fact is, she did have the right to say whatever she wanted and he did NOT have the right to stomp on her head because of it.  I mean Jesus! What ever happened to sticks and stones will break my bones.  This shit is just ridiculous. 

    This is exactly what kids do every day (find someone's weakness and exploit it) and thank god the end result is usually just a simple fist fight or whatever.  It's not like she killed his brother or something.  That may have warranted a head stomping.  I mean, really think about what he did to her.  That's some cold, cold hearted shit.  It takes a monster to do that.  Plain and simple.

    Feel sorry for her or not, what he did was absolutely ridiculous.  People who cannot control their emotions in a reasonable way are broken and need to be removed from the general population.  With any luck he will be gone for a long, long time.
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    If you're talking about her constitutional right, fine.  But I'm not.  She had no right (as a decent human being) to throw his brother's death in his face and to taunt him like she did.  In some states, her antagonism would have caused her to be charged with assault, and him battery.
    FFS, I did not say he had the right to act on his impulse.  Not once.  Nor did I imply it.  I wish people would stop inferring it from me saying she stirred the pot.  She did.  Plain and simple.  What he did is appalling, but I feel bad that he threw away his whole life too because of this.  

    As far as sticks and stones,  words and insults stick around a lot longer in someone's mind, than the time someone threw a punch at them.
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    Re: Wayne Treacy (15) allegedly beat Josie Ratley (15) until she was comatose.

    [quote author=neenerneener link=topic=24661.msg1661754#msg1661754 date=1278274360]
    did you read the text transcripts?     wayne admitted that what she said wasnt that bad, and she didnt deserve it.  what she said wasnt that bad at all. she wasnt asking for it.
    [/quote]

    The fact that he said this makes me think he can be salvaged. He was pissed and he reacted inappropriately. But afterward he knew it was wrong and admitted it.

    Why can't a kid who is a 'product of his environment' have a chance in a better environment to become a better human being? How many kids do we throw away because they aren't raised as well as some other kids? How many are never given a chance?

    I don't feel this way about all kids. I think his reaction was a direct result of her action. Kids who just randomly kill for kicks or for no particular reason or to steal a car or something I don't have as much sympathy for.
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