Wayne Treacy (15) allegedly beat Josie Ratley (15) until she was comatose.

[Ash_Lee]

[quote author=Solara23 link=topic=24661.msg1635706#msg1635706 date=1275076546]
He couldn't even put a face to her name. She said "go hang out with your brother" AFTER his comment about her dead father. Josie probably got the dead brother ammunition from Wayne Treacy's precious 13 year old girlfriend. Sticks and stones, man.
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No she said something about his dead brother after he mentioned her dad.  She clearly knew his brother was dead.  It's not really clear he knew her dad was dead.

Sticks and stones doesn't really pertain to throwing someone's dead brother in their face. 

[lostlilgirl]

The video included in this article is interesting. It's between a detective & Treacy.
At 1:50 the detective said (about Josie's text about his dead brother) "It had to be
pretty bad for you to get so angry." Treacy replied "It wasn't that bad. It's just, I mean
it's my dead brother"


Wayne Treacy Police Interview: Josie Ratley's Insult of Dead Brother 'Wasn't That Bad'

Monday, May. 24 2010 @ 10:34AM

​UPDATE: We've finally found a transcript of the text conversation between Wayne Treacy and Josie Ratley. It's hostile from the start. Josie begins by calling Treacy a rapist for dating a younger girl and it goes downhill from there...

Treacy almost immediately launches into to his 15-year-old tough guy impersonation, asking Josie if she's trying to get herself killed. Then Treacy accuses Josie's father of abusing her. Josie responds by taunting, "Jus go vist ur dead brother."

The comment's clearly out of line. But judging by the tenor of the conversation, Treacy's already pissed because Josie's called him a rapist and isn't backing down from his dimestore threats. The comment about his brother only sends him over the edge. At one point he tells her, "Today, you die, slut."

You can see the full police transcript in a PDF file here. The video above includes portions of the police interview with Treacy.

http://www.truecrimereport.com/2010/05/wayne_treacy_police_interview.php

[Solara23]

[quote author=Ash_Lee link=topic=24661.msg1636323#msg1636323 date=1275185205]
No she said something about his dead brother after he mentioned her dad.  She clearly knew his brother was dead.  It's not really clear he knew her dad was dead.

Sticks and stones doesn't really pertain to throwing someone's dead brother in their face. 
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Yes it does. It's words, not steel-toed boots.

[Ash_Lee]

[quote author=Solara23 link=topic=24661.msg1636448#msg1636448 date=1275208399]
Yes it does. It's words, not steel-toed boots.

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Yeah, I don't agree at all.  you keep pointing out what he did, which I've already agreed is completely fucked up and inexcusable, but for someone to parry around the loss of someone's loved one as an insult?  fuck her for that.  there are some things that go beyond "words will never hurt me".  This girl was being a disrespectful little bitch, and she wasn't doing it for anything other than her own twisted entertainment.  I seriously don't see where anyone is getting that she was just trying to protect a friend.  I don't see any attempt at protecting a friend here, I see someone running her mouth. 

Not for the sake of repeating myself, she was a victim, but she was not an innocent bystander who did nothing to provoke his ire

[Ron_NYC]

[quote author=Ash_Lee link=topic=24661.msg1636462#msg1636462 date=1275223322]
Yeah, I don't agree at all.  you keep pointing out what he did, which I've already agreed is completely fucked up and inexcusable, but for someone to parry around the loss of someone's loved one as an insult?  fuck her for that.  there are some things that go beyond "words will never hurt me".  This girl was being a disrespectful little bitch, and she wasn't doing it for anything other than her own twisted entertainment.  I seriously don't see where anyone is getting that she was just trying to protect a friend.  I don't see any attempt at protecting a friend here, I see someone running her mouth. 

Not for the sake of repeating myself, she was a victim, but she was not an innocent bystander who did nothing to provoke his ire
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Fucking tell em Ash! I think DS had a great point before. If this young man committed suicide over this girl's words they would act like she was the anti-Christ and her texts were some of the worst things ever.

[lostlilgirl]

The video included in this article is interesting. It's between a detective & Treacy.
At 1:50 the detective said (about Josie's text about his dead brother) "It had to be
pretty bad for you to get so angry." Treacy replied "It wasn't that bad. It's just, I mean
it's my dead brother"

Another thing to remember is that Treacy was threatening to kill her BEFORE she made the
comment about his brother.

Yes, at first I did this she was the innocent angel but now I don't. It was wrong of her to
say what she did. But it was more wrong of him to fucking almost kill her because of it.

It might be different if it was done in the "heat of the moment" and he just "snapped" but
we all know that was not the case. His actions were completely premeditated. 

[Ash_Lee]

[quote author=lostlilgirl link=topic=24661.msg1636481#msg1636481 date=1275226504]
The video included in this article is interesting. It's between a detective & Treacy.
At 1:50 the detective said (about Josie's text about his dead brother) "It had to be
pretty bad for you to get so angry." Treacy replied "It wasn't that bad. It's just, I mean
it's my dead brother"

Another thing to remember is that Treacy was threatening to kill her BEFORE she made the
comment about his brother.

Yes, at first I did this she was the innocent angel but now I don't. It was wrong of her to
say what she did. But it was more wrong of him to fucking almost kill her because of it.

It might be different if it was done in the "heat of the moment" and he just "snapped" but
we all know that was not the case. His actions were completely premeditated. 
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No, I think he snapped and planned it out after he snapped.  Flipping out and going to carry out his plan the same day isn't what I think of when I think about premeditation.  And you keep posting the same comment about his interview with the detective.  I never said he wasn't the guilty party in this article, or offered any excuses for what he did.  I'm purely talking about the portrayal of her here as someone protecting her friend. 
Obviously, it was more wrong of him to attack her physically, than her attack on him initially verbally, but if she would have paid attention in class rather than texting him throughout about his "rapest" tendencies, not only would she not have had this problem, but she probably also could have learned to spell rapist and not seemed like such a dumbass.
And, completely agree Ron.

[lostlilgirl]

Yes, Ash_Lee, you and Ron are right.

Not to beat an horse to death (no pun intended), I am not saying she was innocent OR that
she did nothing wrong. SHE DID.

I am just saying what he did was wrong too.

[lostlilgirl]

PREMEDITATION

With planning or deliberation. The amount of time needed for premeditation regarding an act depends on the person and the circumstances. It must be long enough, after forming the intent to act, for the person to have been fully conscious of the intent and to have considered the act.

A design formed to commit a crime or to do some other thing before it is done.

Premeditation differs essentially from will, which constitutes the crime, because it supposes besides an actual will, a deliberation and a continued persistence which indicate more perversity. The preparation of arms or other instruments required for the execution of the crime, are indications of a premeditation, but are not absolute proof of it, as these preparations may have been intended for other purposes, and then suddenly changed to the performance of the criminal act. Murder by poisoning must of necessity be done with premeditation.


http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/p075.htm

[lostlilgirl]

This is interesting. The following is cached because when I tried to go to the link, it said "forbidden on this server"

POMPANO BEACH, FL-- Deputies carried out a search warrant at the trailer where Wayne Treacy lives with his mother and stepfather, seeking computer equipment and finding a document described only as "letter/will," officials said Friday.

Broward Sheriff's spokesman Jim Leljedal confirmed that deputies served the warrant at 8 a.m. Friday.

Treacy's lawyer, Russell Williams, was startled at the news and wondered aloud what information prosecutors could seek that they didn't already have. The warrant sought computer equipment, which was found along with the document.

Treacy, 15, is accused of trying to kill Josie Lou Ratley, 15, over a text message exchange in which Ratley allegedly made a reference to Treacy's dead brother. Investigators already have a warrant for the content of those text messages and evidence that Treacy bicycled three miles on March 17 from his home to Deerfield Beach Middle School, where he found Ratley and beat her so badly that she suffered brain damage and remains hospitalized and heavily sedated at Broward General Medical Center.

"Case law's pretty clear on premeditation," Williams said. "They only need to prove he had time to think about what he was doing."

Treacy's activities that day included texting others with his intention, investigators have said.

Williams said he was troubled by the warrant in part because deputies removed a computer that contained privileged communications between himself and Treacy's parents. Although Treacy is the client and has been charged as an adult, he is legally a minor and his parents are his custodians.

Williams also wants to see the "letter/will" that was taken from the house. A will written by Treacy could serve as an indication of the teen's mental state, Williams said. Williams has signaled a mental health defense for his client, who formally pleaded not guilty to a charge of first degree attempted murder earlier this week.

He is being held without bond in the main Broward County jail in Fort Lauderdale.

Lead prosecutor Maria Schneider also confirmed the execution of the search warrant but declined to discuss what was sought and what was found.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:8PR3cQ0rmCoJ:www.wptv.com/s/kLPnj4mSfUezWRkbgo5SpQ.cspx+wayne+treacy+premedita tion&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

[Ash_Lee]

[quote author=lostlilgirl link=topic=24661.msg1636495#msg1636495 date=1275228618]
PREMEDITATION

With planning or deliberation. The amount of time needed for premeditation regarding an act depends on the person and the circumstances. It must be long enough, after forming the intent to act, for the person to have been fully conscious of the intent and to have considered the act.

A design formed to commit a crime or to do some other thing before it is done.

Premeditation differs essentially from will, which constitutes the crime, because it supposes besides an actual will, a deliberation and a continued persistence which indicate more perversity. The preparation of arms or other instruments required for the execution of the crime, are indications of a premeditation, but are not absolute proof of it, as these preparations may have been intended for other purposes, and then suddenly changed to the performance of the criminal act. Murder by poisoning must of necessity be done with premeditation.


http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/p075.htm
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Okay, so you think I'm not sure of definitions or something?  Either way, thanks for it, because it tells also of a willful act, which I think would be more fitting for this

From your definition:
With planning or deliberation. The amount of time needed for premeditation regarding an act depends on the person and the circumstances. It must be long enough, after forming the intent to act, for the person to have been fully conscious of the intent and to have considered the act.

Depends on the person and circumstances.  It happened the same day.  He obviously knew on some level what he was doing, but I don't think he was fully cognizant.

And again, you can keep trying to convince me of his guilt which I HAVE NOT QUESTIONED OR EXCUSED, but it's kind of a fruitless venture because I'm already aware of it.  My comments have been directed at her role in it, and not painting her as some hapless person in the wrong place at the wrong time.

[jessielee]

[quote author=Ash_Lee link=topic=24661.msg1636505#msg1636505 date=1275230406]
Okay, so you think I'm not sure of definitions or something?  Either way, thanks for it, because it tells also of a willful act, which I think would be more fitting for this

From your definition:
With planning or deliberation. The amount of time needed for premeditation regarding an act depends on the person and the circumstances. It must be long enough, after forming the intent to act, for the person to have been fully conscious of the intent and to have considered the act.

Depends on the person and circumstances.  It happened the same day.  He obviously knew on some level what he was doing, but I don't think he was fully cognizant.

And again, you can keep trying to convince me of his guilt which I HAVE NOT QUESTIONED OR EXCUSED, but it's kind of a fruitless venture because I'm already aware of it.  My comments have been directed at her role in it, and not painting her as some hapless person in the wrong place at the wrong time.
[/quote]

I do not disagree at all. this kid is sick and deserves whatever he gets. she on the other hand, does not deserve what happened to her, but she is by no means innocent. you really gotta be careful who you say things too and whos threats to take lightly. this world is FULL of sick fukers and ya never know when one will snap. I have seen it happen.

[lostlilgirl]

[quote author=Ash_Lee link=topic=24661.msg1636505#msg1636505 date=1275230406]
Okay, so you think I'm not sure of definitions or something?  Either way, thanks for it, because it tells also of a willful act, which I think would be more fitting for this

From your definition:
With planning or deliberation.The amount of time needed for premeditation regarding an act depends on the person and the circumstances. It must be long enough, after forming the intent to act, for the person to have been fully conscious of the intent and to have considered the act.

Depends on the person and circumstances.  It happened the same day.  He obviously knew on some level what he was doing, but I don't think he was fully cognizant.

And again, you can keep trying to convince me of his guilt which I HAVE NOT QUESTIONED OR EXCUSED, but it's kind of a fruitless venture because I'm already aware of it.  My comments have been directed at her role in it, and not painting her as some hapless person in the wrong place at the wrong time.
[/quote]

No, I was not saying you didn't know the definition. That post was more for me because I am not savvy on legal terms. But ask
me something medical & I bet I know about it.  :lol:

[TheFavoriteDaughter]

Although Josie was no innocent in this, it's something teen girls do. They're shitty and mean and say nasty things to people. I don't think I would have gone as far as her but it doesn't surprise me she said it. Basically repeating everyone else when I say she was no sweet little cupcake but his reaction was not that of a normal person. It wasn't even a normal reaction of someone grieving.
It pisses me off that the defense will use her words and his grief for his dead brother as an excuse. We all have loved ones that die. Doesn't mean we kick in someone's face if they say something awful about the person we lost.

[Ron_NYC]

I think it's basically the women that were real bitches in high school who find sympathy for this girl. She's a dick. :lol:

[TheFavoriteDaughter]

[quote author=Ron_NYC link=topic=24661.msg1636563#msg1636563 date=1275240513]
I think it's basically the womens that were real bitches in high school who find sympathy for this girl. She's a dick. :lol:
[/quote]

:x I wasn't a bitch in high school. I was the one having horrible things said to me. She's a child. I'm not trying to excuse her actions but teens tend to lack fore-thought and decency. It's not usually until after they say a shit-tastic thing that they think, "Damn, probably shouldn't have said that."
If it wasn't for the fact that she's barely alive than I would say, "Meh. Got your ass kicked a little for being a bitch. Maybe you should be more cautious about the things you say and who you say it to. Never know what kinda nut jobs are out there."

[Ash_Lee]

[quote author=TheFavoriteDaughter link=topic=24661.msg1636559#msg1636559 date=1275240170]
Although Josie was no innocent in this, it's something teen girls do. They're shitty and mean and say nasty things to people. I don't think I would have gone as far as her but it doesn't surprise me she said it. Basically repeating everyone else when I say she was no sweet little cupcake but his reaction was not that of a normal person. It wasn't even a normal reaction of someone grieving.
It pisses me off that the defense will use her words and his grief for his dead brother as an excuse. We all have loved ones that die. Doesn't mean we kick in someone's face if they say something awful about the person we lost.
[/quote]
I don't know any teen girls with acidic tongues like that.  I didn't when I was a teen, and I don't now.  She is not a child, she is fifteen.  The same age as him.  To excuse her actions for her age, but not him his, because using age as an excuse, he should be excused too.  You should know better at 12 than to act like this, let alone fifteen.

[TheFavoriteDaughter]

[quote author=Ash_Lee link=topic=24661.msg1636587#msg1636587 date=1275242429]
I don't know any teen girls with acidic tongues like that.  I didn't when I was a teen, and I don't now.  She is not a child, she is fifteen.  The same age as him.  To excuse her actions for her age, but not him his, because using age as an excuse, he should be excused too.  You should know better at 12 than to act like this, let alone fifteen.
[/quote]
You're right, I'm not excusing anything because of his age so I won't excuse her actions. But teens are still children to me whether or not other people see them that way. Doesn't mean they shouldn't face adult consequences because they're at that point in their life where they need to recognize the consequences of what they say and do.
I've seen teenagers say some really nasty, awful things so that's why I'm not surprised by what she said. But I have never seen anyone, young or old, react the way he did unless they are extremely messed up.
My point is, that no matter what she said, that shouldn't be the excuse or defense for how he reacted.

[bowieluva]

The reason I bring up her sucking as well is because based on the age they are at, it WILL play a factor into his ability to comprehend his actions. At my junior high, I saw beat downs like this happen over dirty looks in the hallway or a rumor that someone said someone was a slut. That age is extremely volatile. Once, we lost lunch privileges for a week because a girl beat another chick so badly that she had to be helicoptered to the ER. What was the fight about? Someone bumped someone earlier in the week.

Junior high kids are savages. You can't say she wasn't provoking him by being a bitch if you're going to argue that he was a cold-blooded psycho. Either they both were old enough to understand the ramifications of their actions or neither were. And frankly, girls are a lot more mature than boys at that age so I'm willing to believe she was excellent at being a spiteful, terrible person.

It's awful what happened to her. Everyone's lives are ruined. I'm just saying this is what the case is going to revolve around when it comes to determining what Wayne's punishment will be. If the argument is going to be about him being a teenage hormonal mess, they're going to say neither party understood what they were putting into motion.

[TheFavoriteDaughter]

I feel in a sense that he comprehended more what he was putting into motion than her. She was being a bitch but I really don't think she thought someone was going to attack her because of it. He went there with the intention to severely hurt or kill. Her behavior=typical (to some of us but not all of us) shitty teen behavior. His behavior=not typical shitty teen behavior. Unless your Bowie and saw a girl be airlifted out after a beat down.

[bowieluva]

[quote author=TheFavoriteDaughter link=topic=24661.msg1636599#msg1636599 date=1275243341]
I feel in a sense that he comprehended more what he was putting into motion than her. She was being a bitch but I really don't think she thought someone was going to attack her because of it. He went there with the intention to severely hurt or kill. Her behavior=typical (to some of us but not all of us) shitty teen behavior. His behavior=not typical shitty teen behavior. Unless your Bowie and saw a girl be airlifted out after a beat down.
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The question just comes to whether at his age and development, he fully grasped what he was doing. I don't think the average junior high school kid has any idea about mortality.

If you're going to argue that she was just being a kid, so was he, is the point. And as for him attacking her, anyone who went to a public school in a city has probably seen this shit go down a thousand times. I don't even believe this didn't happen in small towns all the time. I have seen Lifetime movies portray the bully who beats you up for looking at him wrong.

The girl DID have to realize there was going to be a confrontation.

[neenerneener]

i'd think that considering that this kid found his brother hanging, he'd have a pretty good grasp on mortality.  :|

[TheFavoriteDaughter]

[quote author=bowieluva link=topic=24661.msg1636603#msg1636603 date=1275243566]
The question just comes to whether at his age and development, he fully grasped what he was doing. I don't think the average junior high school kid has any idea about mortality.

If you're going to argue that she was just being a kid, so was he, is the point. And as for him attacking her, anyone who went to a public school in a city has probably seen this shit go down a thousand times. I don't even believe this didn't happen in small towns all the time. I have seen Lifetime movies portray the bully who beats you up for looking at him wrong.

The girl DID have to realize there was going to be a confrontation.
[/quote]

Ok, never mind. I guess there's just no way around that I am going to excuse her for her age and not him for his  when it comes down to it :lol:
You can't say that if you're going to excuse one 15 year old's actions because of their age that you have to excuse every 15 year old's actions. It just doesn't work that way. There are some things we know "better" about at 15 and some things we don't.

I grew up in a big city and never saw something this bad happen.

[bowieluva]

[quote author=neenerneener link=topic=24661.msg1636604#msg1636604 date=1275243778]
i'd think that considering that this kid found his brother hanging, he'd have a pretty good grasp on mortality.  :|
[/quote]
Don't get me wrong, I think 90% of the people in prison who kill people have stories like 'he done said something not nice so I hacked him to death with an axe!'

[lostlilgirl]

[quote author=TheFavoriteDaughter link=topic=24661.msg1636590#msg1636590 date=1275242786]
You're right, I'm not excusing anything because of his age so I won't excuse her actions. But teens are still children to me whether or not other people see them that way. Doesn't mean they shouldn't face adult consequences because they're at that point in their life where they need to recognize the consequences of what they say and do.
I've seen teenagers say some really nasty, awful things so that's why I'm not surprised by what she said. But I have never seen anyone, young or old, react the way he did unless they are extremely messed up.
My point is, that no matter what she said, that shouldn't be the excuse or defense for how he reacted.
[/quote]

I agree

[quote author=bowieluva link=topic=24661.msg1636603#msg1636603 date=1275243566]
The question just comes to whether at his age and development, he fully grasped what he was doing. I don't think the average junior high school kid has any idea about mortality.

If you're going to argue that she was just being a kid, so was he, is the point. And as for him attacking her, anyone who went to a public school in a city has probably seen this shit go down a thousand times. I don't even believe this didn't happen in small towns all the time. I have seen Lifetime movies portray the bully who beats you up for looking at him wrong.

The girl DID have to realize there was going to be a confrontation.
[/quote]

True, unless she was extremely naive.