Phoebe Prince (15) hanged herself in a closet after she became a victim of cyber

[lilnikki]

crap...meant to say that the fact you're 18 explains your thinking....

[FloobaToob]

Irene made me all angry inside.

[TheFavoriteDaughter]

No, I didn't say she WAS a slut/whore, but she gave the other girls a reason to think she was. You people are like a brick wall, you know that? XD

The minute you said you were 18 made this all make sense. You still have the lack of maturity to understand that is none of your business what kind of sexual activity other people engage in. Also, you and no one else has the right to say or insinuate that another woman is a slut and no woman should have to expect or accept that some one will call her a slut or whore based on her sex life.

[bowieluva]

Irene made me all angry inside.

Kill her. By her own logic, she would deserve it.

[sarabei]

The minute you said you were 18 made this all make sense. You still have the lack of maturity to understand that is none of your business what kind of sexual activity other people engage in. Also, you and no one else has the right to say or insinuate that another woman is a slut and no woman should have to expect or accept that some one will call her a slut or whore based on her sex life.

Agreed, that is why I quit discussing this with her, she doesn't have the maturity to realize what she is saying or expressing.

[sarabei]

Kill her. By her own logic, she would deserve it.

This made me laugh!!

[atticus wench]

The story I heard about this was that she slept with another girl's boyfriend is what started it (2 other girls, which was why the two boys were charged with rape, I don't know where I read the article, as it was over a year ago). I never once said that she deserved to be bullied, I didn't say she was a whore or a slut. She did not need to be anywhere NEAR 18 year old men though, of course at 14-15 the idea of being with an "older guy" is very exciting, so I suppose it was her parents responsibility to curb that behavior. I suppose no one can know what really happened, now can they? There have been MANY cases where the victim is made out to look innocent though, for example Natallee Hollaway was not just going for a walk and thrown into the back of a car, she was a DRUNK 17 year old who willingly got into a car with men she had never met. No one has to agree with me (a lot of people don't), but that's just my opinion :/

Do you know many 18-year-old men? Most of them are still very childlike. Hardly real "men", just "adults" in the legal sense of the term. Real men aren't trying to sleep with high school girls, I can promise you that much. It's not that exciting to "hook up" with a man who still lives with mom and dad.
Also, as adults, or just as someone older, you're kind of expected to be the "bigger" person, or at least just more responsible. All I see in regards to this case are a bunch of douchebags preying on girls younger than them because they know how naive the girls in high school are.

You negate your own statement that she is neither a whore nor a slut when you qualified it with the whole "but she shouldn't be hanging around guys my age, though". There's a lot of overlap in teens ages when they hang out, especially when in high school. I can see why she would hang out with older people, especially if people in her own class reject her. She's just supposed to be miserable and have no friends? I think not...

Teens don't usually tell their parents much, if anything. Lord knows I didn't. If my mom found out half the things I did in high school, well, I would be an article up here myself. Her parents most likely figured everything would blow over, if they even knew about anything. By your logic, we should also implicate the parents of the bullies in this girl's death, as they should have put an end to any predatory behavior in their kids.

I am 18, my boyfriend is 18, I don't think either of us could even engage in a conversation with on the same level with a freshman in high school.

lol. Just lol. LOL FOREVER AT THIS STATEMENT.

[bowieluva]

Yeah, seriously, half my friends were 18 when I was a freshman.

[atticus wench]

Yeah, seriously, half my friends were 18 when I was a freshman.

The thrill of hanging out with someone 3 whole years older than you, huh?

[Irene]

Okay, one more comment, can't resist.

1. I'm the stupid one? Because I don't have a very black and white view of what makes one guilty or innocent? No, I think outside the box and I don't buy into the whole "when someone dies, the media must turn them into the sweetest, most innocent person ever". Hell, if I slept with someone's boyfriend and the chick decides to come after me with a knife, I think I'd pretty much deserve that too.

2. People's sex lives aren't my business, you all can sleep with whoever and as many people as you want, and I don't give a shit. When adults start sleeping with 14 year olds, it IS my business. I have a 14 year old sister, and if some 17-18 year old went anywhere near her I'd blow his fucking head off. The reason I know how the emotional/maturity level of someone that age, is I see my sister and her friends interact and the way they carry on "relationships" with the boys in their grade, that is why it would be extremely inappropriate for someone much older to be with them in a "romantic" way.

3. The fact that I'm 18 has nothing to do with anything, you know why? My worries are not about what I'm going to wear on Friday night or who I'm going out with, but more like how I'm going to pay the bills, or how are we going to get food this week. I freaking work 36+ hours a week and can barely afford new clothes. I wouldn't even know what the logic of some 18 year old who was in high school living all comfy with mommy and daddy is, I don't even have any 17-18-19 year old friends, so I just wouldn't know. So, if you want to say I am immature, that's fine. But, fact of the matter is, you've never met me, you don't know a thing about my life, so for you to judge me by the year I was born is immature on YOUR part.

One last thing, mature huh? Why are you arguing with someone over the internet and why don't you have the maturity to respect other people's views? I'm not saying you're stupid for believing what you believe, why don't I deserve the same respect?

[Tarren]

I'm not sure I agree that you deserve to be attacked with a knife for sleeping with someones boyfriend.

[sarabei]

Okay, one more comment, can't resist.

1. I'm the stupid one? Because I don't have a very black and white view of what makes one guilty or innocent? No, I think outside the box and I don't buy into the whole "when someone dies, the media must turn them into the sweetest, most innocent person ever". Hell, if I slept with someone's boyfriend and the chick decides to come after me with a knife, I think I'd pretty much deserve that too.

2. People's sex lives aren't my business, you all can sleep with whoever and as many people as you want, and I don't give a shit. When adults start sleeping with 14 year olds, it IS my business. I have a 14 year old sister, and if some 17-18 year old went anywhere near her I'd blow his fucking head off. The reason I know how the emotional/maturity level of someone that age, is I see my sister and her friends interact and the way they carry on "relationships" with the boys in their grade, that is why it would be extremely inappropriate for someone much older to be with them in a "romantic" way.

3. The fact that I'm 18 has nothing to do with anything, you know why? My worries are not about what I'm going to wear on Friday night or who I'm going out with, but more like how I'm going to pay the bills, or how are we going to get food this week. I freaking work 36+ hours a week and can barely afford new clothes. I wouldn't even know what the logic of some 18 year old who was in high school living all comfy with mommy and daddy is, I don't even have any 17-18-19 year old friends, so I just wouldn't know. So, if you want to say I am immature, that's fine. But, fact of the matter is, you've never met me, you don't know a thing about my life, so for you to judge me by the year I was born is immature on YOUR part.

One last thing, mature huh? Why are you arguing with someone over the internet and why don't you have the maturity to respect other people's views? I'm not saying you're stupid for believing what you believe, why don't I deserve the same respect?

I am sorry Irene, you are entitled to your views, but it is comments like the ones I highlighted above that shows your maturity level not the date you were born. Your life experiences may make you think more about mundane things such as paying bills, working, etc. The fact that someone else had a differing experience from you and CAN enjoy their youth doesn't make them wrong or immature either, it makes them their AGE. And for the last friggin time please PHOEBE was 15, not 14. Finally, everything you have said shows your views to be very one dimensional or as you say black and white. I am not attacking you, I do get what you are saying about people who are victims of crimes are not lily white and pure, but then again, NONE of us are and crimes like this are unacceptable. The victim is NEVER to blame for crimes committed against them, the criminal and only the criminal made the decision to commit the crime. THAT is what you need to think outside the so called box to realize.

[Irene]

I am sorry Irene, you are entitled to your views, but it is comments like the ones I highlighted above that shows your maturity level not the date you were born. Your life experiences may make you think more about mundane things such as paying bills, working, etc. The fact that someone else had a differing experience from you and CAN enjoy their youth doesn't make them wrong or immature either, it makes them their AGE. And for the last friggin time please PHOEBE was 15, not 14. Finally, everything you have said shows your views to be very one dimensional or as you say black and white. I am not attacking you, I do get what you are saying about people who are victims of crimes are not lily white and pure, but then again, NONE of us are and crimes like this are unacceptable. The victim is NEVER to blame for crimes committed against them, the criminal and only the criminal made the decision to commit the crime. THAT is what you need to think outside the so called box to realize.

Sorry, I keep thinking freshmen = 14, because that's how old I was and how old most people that I knew as freshmen. And maybe someone my age with a different life is more on the level of a 15 year old. I have a few opinions that aren't overly popular, and I am careful about when I share them, I usually just avoid posting on threads where I don't agree with what most of everyone is saying, just to avoid arguments. I'm just a very opinionated person, and it has gotten me in more than a few arguments with people. I don't mean to offend anyone, and I've said over and over that no one deserves to be killed, just not all situations are as simple as they seem. I'm sure the girls who bullied Phoebe did not realize this would happen and feel terrible about it (unless they are truly evil), and that is something they should live with for the rest of their lives. We can't control what other people do, we can only control how we react to it, they SHOULD have just told the guy to fuck off after they found out he cheated on his girlfriend, and they SHOULD have been mature enough to realize that she was only 15. (I was home schooled, in high school do 18 year olds generally interact with freshmen on the same level? I really would not know if that's the norm) I was never blaming the victim, I never would. I was just pointing out my view that it seems whenever someone dies, they are made out to be completely innocent. And hell, maybe she did only "briefly date" the guys, I wasn't there, I didn't know anyone involved. My opinion was slightly biased because I read a blog last year saying that she slept with 2 girls boyfriends and the girls retaliated by calling her names. That was the ONLY time I'd heard the story before.

MDS is a place I enjoy, and being called an "idiot" and whatnot is making it not fun. Some of the things people have said about me here I even did find a bit upsetting, so I can see how being "cyber bullied" could affect someone, and drive someone to commit suicide IF they have been depressed already and are being relentlessly bullied on a daily bases.

[sarabei]

Sorry, I keep thinking freshmen = 14, because that's how old I was and how old most people that I knew as freshmen. And maybe someone my age with a different life is more on the level of a 15 year old. I have a few opinions that aren't overly popular, and I am careful about when I share them, I usually just avoid posting on threads where I don't agree with what most of everyone is saying, just to avoid arguments. I'm just a very opinionated person, and it has gotten me in more than a few arguments with people. I don't mean to offend anyone, and I've said over and over that no one deserves to be killed, just not all situations are as simple as they seem. I'm sure the girls who bullied Phoebe did not realize this would happen and feel terrible about it (unless they are truly evil), and that is something they should live with for the rest of their lives. We can't control what other people do, we can only control how we react to it, they SHOULD have just told the guy to fuck off after they found out he cheated on his girlfriend, and they SHOULD have been mature enough to realize that she was only 15. (I was home schooled, in high school do 18 year olds generally interact with freshmen on the same level? I really would not know if that's the norm) I was never blaming the victim, I never would. I was just pointing out my view that it seems whenever someone dies, they are made out to be completely innocent. And hell, maybe she did only "briefly date" the guys, I wasn't there, I didn't know anyone involved. My opinion was slightly biased because I read a blog last year saying that she slept with 2 girls boyfriends and the girls retaliated by calling her names. That was the ONLY time I'd heard the story before.

MDS is a place I enjoy, and being called an "idiot" and whatnot is making it not fun. Some of the things people have said about me here I even did find a bit upsetting, so I can see how being "cyber bullied" could affect someone, and drive someone to commit suicide IF they have been depressed already and are being relentlessly bullied on a daily bases.

Ah Ha!! That makes more sense now, yes usually seniors are 17 and turn 18 their senior year, so they do interact with freshmen and other grade levels (usually freshman through senoir). So that is acceptable and why I couldn't understand that being such an issue, but I get it now. I have never met anyone who was home schooled before.

I don't think you are an idiot, I don't think it is wrong to be opinionated and stand up for what you think. You shouldn't be afraid to speak your mind here. Honestly, coming here, and standing up for what I think and responding to people and listening to their differing opinions actually helped make me a stronger person in real life who no longer cares what people think of me. MDS really helped me and there are some really great people here. So don't feel you have to just lurk or hide who you are or what you think.

I do understand people try to be respectful and only remember the good of someone who has passed. But, they were still human with human foibles and are not pure as the driven snow, no one is. People do make mistakes in their lives and choices, but it is a crazy world we live in with some truly sick individuals who prey on anyone no matter how they react to situations. It is easy to think the victim was somewhat culpable, especially, as we are, on the outside looking in and can see the mistakes that were made....as they say, hindsight truly is 20/20

I don't think the bullies thought it would go that far, I don't think they thought at all, or cared. They even stalked her memorial FB page and made nasty comments about her after she was dead, so I don't think they are really sorry or see what they did as wrong, that is why I think they should be punished to the fullest extent of the law. People like this have to realize there are consequences to actions.

This story bothered me when it first broke and I have read everything about it I could find. She did date around, but that is quite normal in HS (not talking about sex here, talking about dating, etc.). As a young unattached person, you should be able to date someone else who is unattached without fearing you are going to be attacked. If my memory serves me right, the boys were broken up with their long time GFs at the time (even if only briefly they were unattached at that time). Either way, I detest bullies and feel that there is no justifiable reason to ever berate someone to that point.

Phoebe def. had issues and was apparently very fragile emotionally and the relentless attacks probably just drove her over the edge. This whole case bothers me, such a waste of a young life. :(

[TheFavoriteDaughter]

I still can't wrap my mind around "understanding" why they would call her a slut and whore for sleeping around. You are contributing to the demoralization of women. It is unacceptable plain and simple. I don't know your life experiences but I do know what it is to be 18 and having to pay my bills. Been there done that and honey, 18 year olds are still incredibly immature.
Also, I was called a slut and whore when I was Phoebe's age. Unless you have experienced that personal hell, you have.no.fucking.idea.

[Irene]

I still can't wrap my mind around "understanding" why they would call her a slut and whore for sleeping around. You are contributing to the demoralization of women. It is unacceptable plain and simple. I don't know your life experiences but I do know what it is to be 18 and having to pay my bills. Been there done that and honey, 18 year olds are still incredibly immature.
Also, I was called a slut and whore when I was Phoebe's age. Unless you have experienced that personal hell, you have.no.fucking.idea.

I just meant that, I can see why the girl who's boyfriend it was would, wouldn't you be quite angry with someone who slept with your boyfriend? It doesn't mean she IS a slut, just that from the point of view of a girlfriend, the "other women" is the big "slut/skank/ho" who stole her man away from her.. I don't demoralize women, I don't even see a problem with girls who want to live the "I'm single so I can sleep with as many guys as I'd like" lifestyle, it's not something I would do, but if you feel comfortable with doing that then go ahead, it's your choice.

I have been called all kinds of names (not whore/slut particularly), but I was harassed about silly choices I made when I was 12, for about 2 years after it happened. It does suck to be bullied, and I couldn't imagine dealing with it on a daily basis (Since I was home schooled, I only saw these people once-twice a week, and the internet thing wasn't an issue because I didn't even have a myspace until 2008), but it was pretty bad. It made me feel like there was something wrong with me and that no one could be my friend, I really believe that it affects me in some way to this day.

I'm not saying I'm the most mature 18 year old that's ever walked the planet, I still have a lot of life/experiences to go through and a lot more to learn. Do I feel I have a better idea of the world then A LOT of people my age? Yes, but only because I take on more responsibility and seem to have my feet on the ground a bit more firmly. I'm not conceited or anything, I just couldn't imagine being in high school and worrying about some of the silly things that girls my age take seriously.

I'm NOT a bad person, I feel like I've been demonized here. I may have a lot of opinions/views that aren't the most popular, but that's just a small part of me. I really do care about all people and don't want to see anyone hurt. I didn't intend to greatly offend anyone really, and I CAN see how some of what I posted made me seem like a horrid bitch who thought someone deserved to die :/ but that wasn't my intent.

[Nancy Drew]

Honestly, I'm kinda loling that you guys are like "Ohhh you're 18, that explain it" to Irene, when other (intelligent, respectable, OLD haha) members have expressed similar views in other thread. Catty bitches haha

That said, I totally just TL;DR'd that post

[MBPearls]

I just meant that, I can see why the girl who's boyfriend it was would, wouldn't you be quite angry with someone who slept with your boyfriend?

No, actually, I'd be pissed at my boyfriend, since it takes two to tango and he obviously doesn't give a shit about the relationship. The other girl? Not so much. For all I know that skeezy-ass boyfriend probably told her he was single.

So really, why would you go all Rambo on the other chick over some unfaithful, cheating douche of a guy?

[Nancy Drew]

No, actually, I'd be pissed at my boyfriend, since it takes two to tango and he obviously doesn't give a shit about the relationship. The other girl? Not so much. For all I know that skeezy-ass boyfriend probably told her he was single.

So really, why would you go all Rambo on the other chick over some unfaithful, cheating douche of a guy?

Because girls always do.

[WSheppard]

Has anyone here seen the movie cyberbully (cyberbu//y).....it is a very very emotional movie....i cried

[Megan Russell]

Because girls always do.

This is true, sadly.
My best friend and I were bullied in High School because of stupid shit like this. (Although I was bullied for a lot of other things, but I really don't need to get into that right now)
We'd date an older guy, find out the guy actually has a girlfriend even though he told us and everyone else otherwise, and the girl would come and
'bully' us with all her little friends for awhile even though we had no clue the guy was 'with' anyone.

People in High School were so dumb and dramatic, I do NOT miss it.