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    [quote author=Lozz*in*Wonderland link=topic=23429.msg1561005#msg1561005 date=1268343998]
    I totally agree with the after the trial thing but they won't, and she knows it. I doubt she will ever know and he'll be sent merrily on his way. Maybe they will keep an eye on his this time.
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    I agree.  They aren't going to tell her and they will release him and she'll go back to worrying about what he's up to. 

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    [quote author=Lozz*in*Wonderland link=topic=23429.msg1560894#msg1560894 date=1268337448]
    Just watched it.
    Her saying she doesn't know anything about him but he could know what her kids look like, he could know about them, he could of followed them, gone to James grave and she would never know. He hasn't been watched these last few years.

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    This part made me so angry for her. He probably has been back to Merseyside, it's been said that he has.

    [quote author=leapfreak link=topic=23429.msg1560993#msg1560993 date=1268343061]

    Venables previous lawyer pissed me off moaning about how hard it had been on Venables because his whole life became a lie when he was released because of his new identity. 

    Having to tell a few lies doesn't really compare to being kidnapped, beaten with bricks and a pipe, having paint thrown in your eyes, having batteries shoved in to you and being hit by a train.
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    This. A thousand times this. The lawyer was a complete tosser. I expect he's going to get some backlash for saying that.
    Anyone who says onions make you cry has clearly never been hit in the face with a turnip.

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    Children's chief apologises for Bulger killers comment

    England's children's commissioner says she has apologised to James Bulger's mother for "hurtful" comments about his murder by two 10-year-old boys.

    At the weekend, Ms Atkinson said his killers should not have been prosecuted because children under 12 did not fully understand their actions.

    She has since stressed she believes serious crimes should be punished.

    Her original comments had led James's mother to call for her sacking because of her "twisted and insensitive" views.


    Ms Atkinson told BBC Radio 4's Woman's Hour she had sent a letter to Mrs Fergus to express sorrow for the "hurt" that resulted from her remarks.

    "There's a private letter of apology from me going to Denise Fergus for the hurt that was caused by the comments," she said.

    In an interview with the Times on Saturday, Ms Atkinson criticised the authorities' treatment of Jon Venables and Robert Thompson, who were 10 when they snatched two-year-old James from a Merseyside shopping centre in 1993.

    They walked the toddler more than two miles to a railway line, where they beat him to death.

    Ms Atkinson described James's killing as "exceptionally unpleasant", but said it was wrong that the killers, who were 10 in 1993 when they were charged with the murder, had been tried in an adult court.

    Ms Atkinson suggested the age of criminal responsibility was too low and pointed to many European countries, where the age is between 14 and 16.

    In England, Wales and Northern Ireland the age at which children can be tried in an adult court is 10.

    In Scotland, the age is currently eight, but legislation is being passed to raise it to 12.

    On Woman's Hour, Ms Atkinson moved to calm the controversy, saying she had not intended to make a "call of any sort".

    "I am not saying that if a child is under the age of criminal responsibility when they commit an offence, they should not be punished," she said.

    There were ways of punishing young offenders in "secure facilities" where the crimes can "be properly explained to them", she said.

    Asked about how much a victim of crime - such as Mrs Fergus - should be in a position to influence policy, she said it was "not for her to say" but Mrs Fergus's opinion continued to count as it was a horrific crime on a "defenceless toddler".

    Ms Atkinson's earlier comments came after James's mother met Justice Secretary Jack Straw to discuss Venables' recall to prison.

    Now aged 27, he is suspected of breaching the licence under which he and Thompson were released with new identities in 2001.

    Following Ms Atkinson's comments, the government confirmed it did not intend to raise the age of criminal responsibility.

    A Ministry of Justice spokesman said: "It is not in the interests of justice, of victims or the young people themselves to prevent serious offending being challenged."

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    Bulger killer Jon Venables faces child porn charges

    One of the two killers of Merseyside toddler James Bulger has been charged with possession and distribution of indecent images of children.

    Jon Venables, who killed James in 1993, was released from jail in 2001 and given a new identity and anonymity for life under a special court order.

    But Venables, now 27, was recalled to prison in February after allegedly breaching the terms of his licence.

    He is charged with two offences under the 1978 Protection of Children Act.
    Early stage

    It is alleged that he downloaded 57 indecent images of children between February 2009 and February 2010.

    He is secondly accused of distributing seven images between 1 and 23 February this year by allowing other people to access files on his computer through a peer-to-peer network.

    The case is at a very early stage and will return to court on 23 July. That hearing will be the first opportunity for Venables to indicate whether he will be pleading guilty or not guilty to the alleged offences.

    The Bulger family lawyer says there is "relief" Venables has been charged

    Were he to plead not guilty, he would eventually appear before a jury under his new name. If he pleads guilty, the case will quickly move to sentencing.

    Under the terms of Venables' anonymity order, the media is not allowed to report anything about his new identity and a jury would never know who he really is.

    In March, the then Justice Secretary Jack Straw announced that Venables had been returned to prison but said that it was not in the interests of a fair trial to publicise what had allegedly happened.

    Denise Fergus, James's mother, had called for the reason for the recall to be made public, saying as his mother she had "a right to know".
    'Disaster'

    Speaking outside court on Monday, Robin Makin, solicitor for James's father Ralph, attacked the Ministry of Justice for the way it had handled the case ever since Venables' recall.

    "We consider that the way this has been handled since news of Jon Venables being recalled to custody has been a disaster," he said.

    "The public authorities ought to behave quite differently and in due course further details are likely to emerge of the mistakes that were made. Ineptitude and incompetence spring to mind."

    Venables and his friend Robert Thompson were jailed for life when, as 10-year-olds, they took two-year-old James from a shopping centre in Bootle.

    The toddler's body was found on a disused railway line more than two miles away from where he had been taken.

    Venables and Thompson were given new identities on their release from prison in 2001 because of the risk that they would be victims of a vigilante attack.

    Media law expert Mark Stephens insisted that despite the publicity it was "almost certain" that Venables could get a fair trial.

    He said: "The judge has gone to extraordinary lengths, as has the prosecution. They have worked with the defence to make sure that a fair trial can happen and that justice will out at the end of the day."

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    Bulger killer Jon Venables faces child porn charges

    One of the two killers of Merseyside toddler James Bulger has been charged with possession and distribution of indecent images of children.

    Jon Venables, who killed James in 1993, was released from jail in 2001 and given a new identity and anonymity for life under a special court order.
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    Not surprised. At all.

    I wonder what his plea will be?
    Anyone who says onions make you cry has clearly never been hit in the face with a turnip.

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    This murder still boggles my mind. The description of the scene when his body was found makes me sick.
    I have seen a lot of disgusting, bloody, gruesome pictures (my dad is a cop) but just reading the description of this little boy kills me.
    & the worst part is, he really didn't even get justice. His murderers are free to walk the earth, and they took that right from him.
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    Bulger killer Venables pleads guilty to porn charges


    One of the killers of toddler James Bulger has pleaded guilty to charges of downloading and distributing indecent images of children.

    Jon Venables, 27, appeared by video-link at the Old Bailey and is expected to be sentenced later.


    He and Robert Thompson were just 10 when they abducted and murdered two-year-old James in Bootle, Merseyside.

    Both were released in 2001 with new identities, but Venables was recalled to prison in February.

    Venables plead guilty to three offences under the 1978 Protection of Children Act.

    The first involved downloading 57 pornographic pictures of children on to his computer between February 2009 and February 2010.

    The second involved distributing indecent photographs of children in February 2010, while a third involved distributing 42 images in February 2008.

    The court heard that the images were discovered after Venables called his probation officer fearing that his identity had been revealed.

    When the officer arrived, Venables was trying to delete files from his computer and remove the hard drive, prosecutors said.


    He was subsequently taken to a police station with the machine where it was examined by officers, they added.

    Louis Mably, prosecuting, said eight of the images were at level four, the second most serious level of child pornography. Two were at level three, three were at level two, and 44 were at level one, the least serious, he added.
    Court rearranged

    James Bulger's mother Denise Fergus was in court on Friday to hear Venables' plea.

    The BBC's Dominic Casciani, who is at the Old Bailey, said Venables appeared via video-link from an unnamed prison somewhere in the country.

    In normal circumstances, the press and public can see a defendant on a video-link screen, but because of the exceptional nature of the case Mr Justice Bean rejected a media application and ruled that he alone would see the defendant, our correspondent said.

    That meant Court 14 was rearranged to place a video screen directly in front of the judge so that nobody else, not even the lawyers, could see Venables, he added.

    Venables and Thompson abducted two-year-old James while he was shopping with his mother at the New Strand Shopping Centre in Bootle on 12 February 1993.

    The toddler was beaten with bricks and iron bars and his body left on a railway line.

    His killers were detained at Her Majesty's pleasure, the usual substitute for life imprisonment for juvenile offenders.

    In 2001, when they turned 18, both were freed, despite public outcry.
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    [size=10pt][size=10pt][size=10pt][size=10pt]BREAKING NEWS: Bulger killer Jon Venables jailed for two years for downloading child pornography[/size][/size][/size][/size]
    By Nicola Boden
    Last updated at 2:07 PM on 23rd July 2010

    • [li]Killer says he's 'genuinely ashamed' over child porn crimes

    • [li]It included images of two-year-olds and video of girls aged 8

    • [li]He posed as 35-year-old mother offering daughter for abuse

    • [li]Caught when HE called police over fears his cover was blown

    • [li]Venables pulled up TWICE before over violence and cocaine

    • [li]James Bulger's mother: Yet again, justice has not been done


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    One of James Bulger's killers was sent back to prison today after pleading guilty to child porn charges.
    Jon Venables, now 27, appeared at the Old Bailey via video link from prison to admit downloading and distributing scores of indecent images of children.
    Some of the pictures involved children as young as two - the same age James was when he was killed. Sick videos Venables downloaded also showed eight-year-old girls being raped and forced to perform sex acts.
    He even posed online as a married mother, offering up her own young daughter to another paedophile to be abused in return for cash.

    The Old Bailey also heard Venables had been arrested over a drunken street brawl in 2008 and later that year found in possession of cocaine but was let off with a warning rather than be returned to jail.

    Today's hearing was his first appearance in court since November 1993 when he and Robert Thompson were convicted for killing James in a crime that appalled the world.
    The toddler's mother Denise Fergus, 42, was there to hear him enter his pleas but in a highly-unusual move only the judge Mr Justice Bean was able to see the defendant in order to protect his new identity.
    The video screen was put directly in front of the judge so that even the lawyers could not catch a glimpse of the killer as he is today.
    Venables spoke only to confirm his name and plead guilty to each charge. He was later sentenced to two years in prison - one fifth of the maximum term he could have received.
    He released an extraordinary statement after his sentencing in which he said he thought about James' murder 'every day' and vowed to turn his life around.
    The murderer said he was 'genuinely ashamed' about the child porn and promised he would 'never go back' once he is freed for a second time.

    Mrs Fergus was furious at the jail term - claiming it was a second miscarriage of justice and questioning why Venables had not been reimprisoned for his offences in 2008.
    'We have been in court this morning and once again we have had to sit through proceedings where justice has not been done,' she said in a statement.

    'These were very serious offences and two years is simply not enough to meet the gravity of what this person did.

    'We are surprised and concerned that he was not recalled under the terms of his parole licence when he committed an offence in 2008.'


    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1297084/Jon-Venables-pleads-guilty-downloading-child-porn.html#ixzz0uVkVuYtZ


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    Rumbled after he called police

    The Old Bailey heard the murderer was only caught because he was worried his true identity had been discovered.
    He rang his probation officer on February 22, 2010, to say he thought he had been found out and was worried about his safety.
    The officer called police and told Venables to stay where he was, but gather his belongings, and wait for him to arrive.
    Prosecutor Gavin Millar QC said: 'He arrived half an hour later and his intention was to take the defendant to a secure address.
    'When he entered the flat he found the defendant sitting at his computer. The defendant told [the probation officer] he was trying to reformat the computer to delete his personal information.' 

    Venables then tried to use a knife and a tin opener to remove the hard drive before finally using his foot but was unsuccessful.

    A Detective Inspector arrived and took Venables and his belongings away from the address. The computer was seized and experts found a total of 57 indecent images of children.
    They included eight at level four - the second most serious level and featuring sexual activity involving children, the court was told.
    Another prosecutor, Louis Mably, said the computer history 'indicated the defendant had an extensive history of searching for and downloading indecent images of children using the internet'.

    The court heard Venables had admitted he was sexually aroused by the images. He told police in March he considered it 'breaking the last taboo'.

    In a police interview on March 18, he said: 'I am responsible for downloading, viewing and deleting indecent images of children on my computer, of which I have been aware through my solicitor. The images were for my own use. I viewed the images alone. I have never shown the images to anyone else.'

    When asked by officers about a video involving an eight-year-old girl, he said he had 'no intention' of having sex with a girl of that age.

    Mr Mably said: 'He said he felt guilty about what he did and told himself "How can I be looking at this?".'


    He posed as a 35-year-old woman


    One of the charges related to distributing porn to convicted paedophile Leslie Blanchard, from Chelmsford, Essex, in February 2008.

    Venables chatted to Blanchard via Google Hello - posing as a 35-year-old married woman called Dawn Smith who abused her eight-year-old daughter.
    He told police in March after his arrest how he set up an e-mail account under the name 'for a laugh'.

    Police were able to retrieve evidence of online conversations between 'Dawn' and Blanchard on February 23 and February 27 2008.

    'Dawn said she was interested in pictures of parents abusing their children. Dawn said she and her husband abused their daughter,' Mr Mably said.
    'Blanchard said he would like to met their daughter and abuse her himself. It appeared that Dawn agreed a price for selling her daughter for a few hours.'

    Venables broke off contact abruptly, saying Blanchard could not see the girl, the court was told.


    Venables' speaks of his shame


    Jon Venables issued a statement after his sentencing in which he said he thought about the killing of James Bulger 'every day' and apologised for his latest crimes.

    He realised he had 'badly let down' everyone who had tried to help him and vowed that this time he would turn his life around.

    His solicitor John Gibson said: 'He puts forward no excuse for his conduct. He is genuinely ashamed, but he has and continues to express his remorse, and has come to an understanding of how children are harmed by those who have even a passing interest in such material, let alone by those who pass it on.'
    Mr Gibson said the killer has accepted responsibility for James' murder and that he would have to live with the consequences forever.

    'He has said that every day since what took place in 1993 he has thought about how different life might have been for all those affected, who he appreciates have also had their own reasons for reflection.'

    The solicitor said the new offences were committed when Venables had been drinking heavily and suffering from the pressure of having to keep his real identity secret.
    'He says that he appreciates there was no blueprint available to him, or those offering him support - he felt like a canary down a mine,' he said.

    'The return to prison was something of a relief when it came. He intends to learn lessons to help him face this challenge again.
    'Jon Venables knows that there are real victims to these crimes. Insofar as he can, he extends his sincere apologies to those children who have been exploited and abused.
    'He accepts that a prison sentence is justified, and that once his time is served, his release is not, and cannot be, a formality or matter of routine.

    'He is determined now, once and for all, to become the person he wishes to be so that when he is eventually released from prison, he will never go back.'


    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1297084/Jon-Venables-pleads-guilty-downloading-child-porn.html#ixzz0uVlyViOB
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    Way to go UK protect the baby killer.

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    What a lying sack of shit. He is only "remorseful" about viewing child pornography and posing as a 35 year old mother because the fucker got caught. Ugh this enrages me. He brutally tortures and kills a 2 year old boy, and then proceeds to view 2-8 years old in a pornographic way?? Ya...he sounds like a normal, upstanding person to me. They should have kept him behind bars forever the FIRST time.

    I have a 2 year old daughter...this just makes me ill. Someone needs to do to him what he did to that poor little boy.


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    photo of him

    Dont know if this has been posted yet, but ill put it up anway, seems to be a recent photo of Jon

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    Thanks Cailin! (I was looking for the pictures of him reported to be online and had no luck.)

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    I posted it a month or so ago but it must have been lost when mds went down...thanks for reposting.
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    James Bulger's killer Jon Venables will be released from prison for a second time, it emerged today.

    The toddler?s mother was told in a phone call that Venables - who will almost certainly now need a new identity - was being released on parole after serving three years for child pornography offences.

    Denise Fergus, of Kirkby, Merseyside, said she was shocked at the decision after pledges made to her by the chairman of the Parole Board six weeks ago that the case would be examined in detail.

    She had received assurances there would be a full investigation of a dossier of ?inconvenient truths? which she said were swept under the carpet at the time of 29-year-old Venables?s conviction.

    This year marked the 20th anniversary of James Bulger's murder. The two-year-old was abducted, tortured and killed by Jon Venables and Robert Thompson in Liverpool.

    Venables and classmate Thompson, who were just 10 years old at the time, abducted James from the Bootle Strand shopping centre before carrying out the murder which shocked Britain.

    The two boys were jailed for life but later released on licence with new identities in 2001.

    Venables had his parole revoked in 2010 and was jailed for two years after admitting downloading and distributing indecent images of children.

    One of those factors was the indication that there was a sex motive to the abduction and murder of the two year-old toddler in 1993 - evidence that was not presented at his trial.

    Mother-of-three Mrs Fergus, 45, made submissions to the panel via video link from Liverpool in May.

    Her solicitor Sean Sexton said at the time that he took that pledge to mean Venables would not be released until an exhaustive investigation had been carried out.

    When Venables was released on licence in 2001, after eight years of detention at Red Bank Community Home on Merseyside, he was given a new taxpayer-funded identity.

    Only nine years later did it emerge that Venables had a sexual relationship with his ?housemother? shortly before his release.

    The scandal was not referred to in reports from Redbank, the Probation Service and psychiatrists - who all said he had made good progress and was a reformed character.
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    Jon Venables, one of two boys convicted of the murder of toddler James Bulger, has reportedly been returned to prison again after he was caught with child abuse images for a second time.

    Venables was 10 when he was jailed in 1993 alongside his friend Robert Thompson for murdering two-year-old James. He was released on licence in 2001 but returned to jail in 2010 for possessing indecent images of children.

    According to the Sun, the 35-year-old was once again arrested last week after officials found indecent material on a computer during a routine check at his home.

    Venables is subject to life-long licence conditions for his role in James’s murder. A source close to the investigation told the Sun: “It’s all about protecting the public.

    “We have these systems so those who could be a risk to the public are picked up. That’s what happened here.”

    As reports of the arrest emerged on Wednesday night, Bulger’s mother Denise Fergus tweeted: “Here we go again.”

    Bulger was beaten to death by the two boys after being led away from his mother while at a shopping centre. The killing provoked national horror and anger.

    Upon sentencing in 1993, Venables and Thompson were ordered to be detained without limit. The judge said the boys were guilty of an act of “unparalleled evil and barbarity” and suggested “violent video films” might have been partly to blame for the crime.



    After serving eight-year sentences, Venables and Thompson were released with new identities in 2001. Following a threat by James’s father, Ralph, to hunt down his son’s killers, both won a high court order protecting their anonymity for life.

    Venables went on to offend again, including arrests for affray and possession of cocaine in 2008. In 2010, he was jailed for two years after pleading guilty to downloading images of child abuse.

    Venables, who was reportedly given a second new identity after his first alias was revealed, was granted parole in 2013.

    In response to his latest reported offending, a Ministry of Justice spokeswoman said: “We do not comment on individuals.”

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    How many times does his probation allow him to get in trouble before they actually keep him in jail?? It seems like they're going easy on this dude.
    Hopefully they realize his behavior is not gonna change. If they keep letting him go he's gonna hurt another child again.

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    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...ulger-12082868

    A fresh probe has been launched into leaked photos of one of James Bulger’s killers, Jon Venables.

    Prisoners reportedly got hold of pictures revealing Venables’ new identity.

    The pictures are thought to feature his alleged new name and identify the jail where he is serving 40 months after this month
    admitting having 1,000 child porn images.

    Those responsible say they want to “expose” him, branding him a “dirty nonce”.
    The Attorney General’s office said: “We have received complaints the anonymity has been breached. An investigation is ongoing.”

    It is feared harm could come to Venables, now 35, or innocent people identified as him.

    Venables and Thompson were released on life licences in 2001 and handed new identities, with a court order banning publication of anything that could identify them.

    It is believed Venables has been given up to four new IDs. Each has cost a reported ?250,000 and he has allegedly cost the justice system ?5million.

    It is understood two of his new names were given after he boasted of his past as a killer.

    In 2010 he was back in jail with a two-year sentence after breaching his life licence by hoarding child abuse images. In November last year he was recalled again over child porn.

    He has admitted using the “dark web”.

    James' mum Denise Fergus was distraught this month after her call for a public inquiry was rejected.

    She said: “After all the money that’s been spent on him, he’s laughing at us. He can get away with whatever he wants.”

    This month Venables had boiling hot water hurled at him during a row with another prisoner who found out his identity.

    A fellow inmate “went for” Venables after details of his appearance were “passed on”.

    Five years ago, two men in the North-east were given nine-month suspended sentences after sharing images supposedly of Venables on social media. The judge said future offenders would be jailed.
    I say he got more than he ever deserved. That poor mother of James Bulger keeps having to relive this every time this POS pops up in the news again. I read that she recently successfully petitioned and was able to read the case file, and found out how badly James had been sexually assaulted before they killed him. She didn't know all of that until recently.


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    How long before he kills another little kid? That's if he hasn't already.


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