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    [quote author=Lozz*in*Wonderland link=topic=23429.msg1556568#msg1556568 date=1267975645]
    Yeah no ten year old can think thats in anyway right, even with the fucked up upbringing Jon had. Wasn't his father more or less blamed for the way he was during the first trial? That just popped into my head, he had seen things that a kid shouldn't of seen.

    I would read through James' whole case again if i didn't think i would effect my whole week and make me stabby. I think i was 7 and my brother 3 when it happened and i remember our mother drilling it into us about not going with strangers and the first time young people were mentioned rather than the creepy man who wants you too go see his puppies, the murder had parents running scared i think. And i have a two year old nephew now and just don't think i could bring myself too sit and go through it.
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    I was 12.  I remember when the news kept showing that CCTV footage of James walking off with Thompson and Venables.  Everyone thought an adult must be involved some how because no one could believe children could be responsible.

    Reading about the murder all over again just makes me feel sick and mad.  The shit they did to that little boy makes me want to get stabby.  I didn't know until the other day that they set out to find a child.  I always thought they just came across James by accident but they admitted that their plan for the day was to find a child and push it into a busy road.

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    Another article. Headline news over here in Australia.

    Jon Venables 'jailed over child porn offence'
    13:00 AEST Sun Mar 7 2010

    One of the men who killed UK boy James Bulger in 1993 has been sent back to jail after being caught with child porn, according to a report from the UK.

    Jon Venables and fellow killer Robert Thompson have been living under new identities since their release from prison in 2001.

    In 1993 Thompson and Venables, both aged 10, kidnapped, tortured and killed two-year-old James Bulger on Merseyside in a case that made headlines around the world.

    While many details of Venables' arrest last week remain suppressed, reports say he has been working as a nightclub security guard for a number of years.

    The Sunday Mirror today reported that his arrest was related to possession of child porn, and that Venables had been abusing drugs and alcohol on a daily basis "for years".

    Venables was taken back into custody for breaching "good behavior" conditions.

    UK Justice Minister Jack Straw, who refused to provide details on the case last week, confirmed that the allegations Venables faced were serious.

    "Our motivation throughout has been solely to ensure that some extremely serious allegations are properly investigated and that justice is done," Mr Straw said.




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    Quite an interesting artcle about thompson's time in detention.

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    Aged ten, Thompson arrived at the detention centre in the North of England the day after his arrest in February 1993, and remained there until his release in 2001.

    The social worker, who would later chaperone the boy on trips to shopping centres and parks, recalled his first day.

    ‘Not surprisingly, he was monosyllabic and sullen when we were first introduced, like all the children when they first arrive,’ he said.
    ‘But then it became apparent that he was what we call a typical “care kid” – even though he hadn’t been in care. These children are cocky and streetwise, know the system and know their rights and what they can get away with.

    ‘He’d say things like, “I want a drink. Get me one now. You’ve got to get me one”.’
    From the outset he was treated as a star prisoner – and played up to it.

    ‘There were frequent visits from Home Office officials who were always fussing over him, checking with him and the staff that he was all right.


    ‘He was treated with kid gloves and underpinning it all was this fear that something might happen to him, that something might go wrong.’

    The centre, which housed 14 young offenders all deemed either ‘a danger to others or themselves’, was divided into three units, of which one was for girls. All the inmates had their own rooms which were locked at night. Thompson’s was 18ft by 12ft with a bed, desk, chairs, table and bookcase and an en suite shower and toilet.

    Later, a TV and games console were added, and in his teenage years he decorated the walls with prints of paintings by L.S. Lowry and Russian abstract artist Wassily Kandinsky and photographs of his family, including one of his baby brother.

    He also became adept at ‘burning’ music CDs which he would sell to staff and other children for £1 each.

    On TV, he liked nothing better than to watch Noel’s House Party, the programme hosted by Noel Edmonds and featuring the character Mr Blobby, whom Thompson ‘adored’.
    In the early days, however, Thompson was only interested in the television news, which he watched silently and alone in a corner of the unit’s main social area.


    ‘During his trial, he was obsessed with watching the reports of the case, seeing the van on TV driving him to court. He devoured it all, oblivious to what was going on around him,’ said the social worker.

    ‘At first, he would ask us when the news was on but he very quickly learned the times of all the bulletins, so in the end we would just leave him with the remote control.
    'He always sat there sucking his thumb, a habit he didn’t lose – despite our best efforts – until he was 14.’

    Along with Venables, Thompson was found guilty of abducting James from a Liverpool shopping centre, then torturing and murdering him.

    They left the toddler’s mutilated body on a railway line. For many, the details of the crime were simply too monstrous to bear.

    Staff at the centre did not note any change in Thompson’s behaviour after his conviction, however. ‘He took it all in his stride,’ said the social worker.

    ‘It was as if nothing had happened. He simply fell into the routine and seemed to put it all behind him.’
    ‘There were punch-ups and it quickly became obvious that he was not to be messed with'Days and nights followed a similar pattern. The children were woken at 8.20am and, after getting showered and having breakfast, made their way to lessons.

    Afterwards, there was recreation time. Thompson played pool with the other inmates and became a skilled badminton player.

    Bedtime was 10pm, the same for all the inmates.

    Close friendships were forged and Thompson counted among his new pals a boy who had murdered his mother. There was also a young rapist in his unit.

    ‘Robert was by no means alone in having committed a horrific crime,’ said the social worker.
    ‘There was plenty of pure evil inside his unit. But if you didn’t know who killed James Bulger and had to pick the killer from the offenders there, Robert would have been the last person.

    ‘He very quickly became influenced by the staff around him and turned into something else, someone more likeable, although he always had an unnerving tendency to look straight through you.

    ‘He had a good sense of humour and picked up on staff jokes that the rest of the kids wouldn’t get. He was very bright and, though it is easy to say, under different circumstances he could have gone on to great things.

    ‘I was close to him but I had to keep reminding myself what he had done. It was hard for all of us who worked there. My wife was appalled that I was looking after Robert Thompson and it was the same with the partners of the other staff. Looking back, I suppose we simply had to be professional and get on with it.’

    Because of his notoriety, Thompson found himself on occasion having to defend his corner, though he rarely, if ever, initiated any fights himself.

    ‘He was never a trouble-maker, but he would square up to any kid who came at him, who wanted to make a name for himself by having a go at Robert Thompson.

    ‘There were punch-ups and it quickly became obvious that he was not to be messed with.

    ‘He was a big lad and made himself bigger through weight training. If someone came at him he would quickly and clinically punch them back. He wouldn’t scream or shout like the others. He just dealt with it in a very cool, confident way, like a mini Clint Eastwood.

    ‘He never beat up anyone badly or indulged in gratuitous acts of violence. He knew it wouldn’t do him any good. He knew he could get just what he wanted by staying out of trouble.

    ‘Once, he was involved in a confrontation with another youth, and he was really angry, but in a controlled sulky way. He stood rooted to the spot in the lounge area. It was bedtime, but he wouldn’t go to his room. I said to the other staff that we should take him back to his room and take away his TV or some other privilege, which was the procedure. But they were against it.

    ‘It was a good 40 minutes before he eventually went to his room. It was ridiculous. I made a representation to my superiors that he was being treated differently from the others but it was shrugged off.

    ‘He was extremely persuasive, and used this to extract what he wanted from senior staff. In fact, after this incident, he even secured himself a later bedtime.

    ‘When the others went to bed, he’d stay up for a further 20 minutes watching television. He was also close to the manager at the unit and they’d sit talking and laughing together. The manager would even send someone to get them a cup of tea while they chatted.
    ‘What lay behind this, I think, was that no one wanted to upset him because they were afraid of what the consequences might be. The management wanted him there. A lot of the staff thought the people running the unit used Thompson’s presence to coerce the Home Office into improving facilities.

    ‘The place doubled in size in the time he was in there. They threw millions at it.’

    By the time he reached 14, Thompson was going on regular outings to a nearby shopping centre. ‘Along with a female social worker, I was assigned to him as a chaperone.’

    Although he had been locked up for four years, Thompson didn’t find his first foray on to the streets in any way alarming.

    ‘It was just like taking any normal child of 14 out shopping. He was interested in sports shops and the latest trainers and would use the money he’d saved up to buy a pair.
    'All the children received about £60 a month in clothing allowances and spending money. On birthdays, they’d get £25. And at Christmas they’d give us present lists and we’d go and buy what was on them, if it was within reason.
    ‘During days out, he never stepped out of line. Sometimes he might tilt his head to one side, or look down slightly, if anyone looked at him for too long. But he didn’t seem bothered. And no one ever recognised him.

    ‘On one occasion, he was going out with another of the chaperones to get a tattoo. When I found out, I told him it wasn’t a good idea as he would be marked for life. This seemed to strike a chord with him and he quickly changed his mind.’

    He added: ‘Robert was easy enough to get along with but was never a touchy-feely kind of guy. I would say we had a good professional relationship. But it was never a case of brotherly hugs or anything like that. It just wasn’t in his make up.’

    There were also trips to nearby woodland where the child killer would roam largely unfettered, though under the watchful eye of his chaperones.

    It was at the age of 16 that the most significant event during his eight years’ detention occurred: He acquired a girlfriend, a pretty redhead the same age who was a habitual thief.

    ‘They hit it off instantly and did nothing to disguise their attraction for each other,’ said the social worker.

    ‘Everyone knew they were a couple and newcomers to the unit who took a fancy to her were told to back off “Robert’s girl”. She knew exactly who Robert was, what he had done, but it didn’t put her off.’

    Staff were unaware if the relationship became sexual, but they would kiss and cuddle during ‘recreation’ time before being separated.

    ‘That was off limits. He also tried to get her in a side room but, again, the staff wouldn’t allow this. Staff would joke, “Could you imagine if he got her pregnant?”

    ‘The girl was in for theft but had a long history of crime and a very troubled childhood. She was there for about a year before being released.’

    If bruised by their parting, Thompson, typically, didn’t let it show. In any case, there was one woman who never let him down – his mother.

    ‘He was a real mummy’s boy and she visited him every three days. He would get excited at these visits and would keep asking when she was coming. They were clearly very close.’

    In June 2001, the parole board ruled that Thompson and Venables were no longer a threat to public safety and could be released because their minimum tariff had expired.

    The decision was approved by the then Home Secretary, David Blunkett, and the pair were given new identities and moved to secret locations. As part of the conditions of their release, they were required to end contact with each other.

    The social worker suspects Thompson viewed his return to the outside world with some trepidation, although he didn’t show it.

    ‘He was having a pretty good time inside and everything was done for him,’ he said.

    ‘Normally when the offenders are released, we know the date and have a chance to say goodbye properly. For security reasons, that didn’t happen with Thompson. One day, he simply wasn’t there any more,’ said the social worker, who quit the detention centre some years ago.

    But that wasn’t the last he heard of him.

    ‘We were told that he found work in a pub but his mother compromised him by going in and talking loudly in a Scouse accent. There was a fear that the locals would grow suspicious, so he had to leave.’

    And on one occasion the social worker met Thompson by chance at a major sporting event being held in the North-West.

    To his amazement, he was working as a steward, shepherding crowds into a stadium.

    ‘I saw him on the steps outside and he saw me and we shouted across at each other. Then he came over and we had a brief chat. I remember looking at the crowds passing him and thinking, “If only you knew!” I’ve also seen him out drinking in pubs.

    ‘I don’t think he has reoffended since his release, that would be very hard to imagine. He is well aware that he has to keep out of and away from any aggravation or he will back inside.

    ‘He will hate what has happened with Venables, because it will bring it all flooding back, and once more put his name in the spotlight.’


    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1256109/The-social-worker-looked-Bulger-killer-release-gives-extraordinary-account-kid-gloves-treatment-inside-.html#ixzz0hWIRpqy4
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    Re: James Bulger (2 yr old) murdered by two 10yr olds.

    Some things in that article are so fucked up.


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    [quote author=Lozz*in*Wonderland link=topic=23429.msg1556811#msg1556811 date=1267994464]
    Some things in that article are so fucked up.


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    Beyond fucked up.

    Why was/is this little lunatic bastard afforded so much leniency in the system? The social worker in that article almost seems to be bordering on praising Thompson for his sociopathic abilities to manipulate. They are basically reinforcing his behaviour and his twisted belief that he is untouchable. And seriously ... indulging him in his lust to see the aftermath of his heinous crime on television, taking him on regular secret excursions to the shopping centre (um hello ) and allowing him to have play dates with his ginger minge in custody .. what the fucking fuck. Epic rehabilitation and punishment fail.

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    [quote author=trepid link=topic=23429.msg1556977#msg1556977 date=1268002691]
    Beyond fucked up.

    Why was/is this little lunatic bastard afforded so much leniency in the system? The social worker in that article almost seems to be bordering on praising Thompson for his sociopathic abilities to manipulate. They are basically reinforcing his behaviour and his twisted belief that he is untouchable. And seriously ... indulging him in his lust to see the aftermath of his heinous crime on television, taking him on regular secret excursions to the shopping centre (um hello ) and allowing him to have play dates with his ginger minge in custody .. what the fucking fuck. Epic rehabilitation and punishment fail.
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    From what his childhood was before, it sounds like the grass was much greener inside.I'm surprised, with the treatment he got, he never ended up reoffending.


    Jon Venables, one of the killers of James Bulger, must not be "prejudged" by speculation over allegations he faces, ministers have said.

    Venables, now 27, is back in jail after breaching the terms of his 2001 release in which he was given a new identity.

    The Sunday Mirror alleged his recall to prison was linked to images of child abuse, but Ed Balls and Harriet Harman refused to be drawn on these claims.

    James's mother has said Venables should lose his anonymity if charged.

    The Sunday Mirror also claims that Venables had sparked concerns by using drugs and revealing his past.

    Justice Secretary Jack Straw would only say that he faces "extremely serious allegations" and the government was determined to ensure that justice was done.

      I don't want to prejudge any court case and I think it's really important the media and politicians don't prejudge

    Ed Balls, Children's Minister


    Venables 'should be identified'
    Every parent's nightmare 
    Labour's Deputy Leader, Harriet Harman, told the BBC the government would not be drawn on the report.

    "I'm not saying whether it's true or not because I don't want to comment on it," she said.

    "At the time that Venables was sentenced, it was said that he should keep his anonymity and, as a general principle, we want to make absolutely sure that nobody can get off a criminal offence by saying 'I can't get a fair trial, there's been too much publicity'."

    The stance was backed by Children's Secretary Ed Balls, who said it was important to ensure the public was protected.

    "It was a terrible crime, the scars of James Bulger's death are very deep for his family, [and] for all of us," he told Sky News.

    Harriet Harman: "I don't want to jeopardise the criminal justice system"
    "It was right for people to try rehabilitation but the first thing always has to be making sure the public are safe.

    "Now you'll understand I'm not going to say anything about this case because I don't want to prejudge any court case and I think it's really important the media and politicians don't prejudge and therefore potentially put at risk any further court action."

    James's mother Denise Fergus, 42, is due to meet Jack Straw next week to press him on the reasons for Venables' recall. But Mr Straw is not expected to divulge the reasons.

    Venables' solicitor at the time of his trial, Laurence Lee, blamed the Ministry of Justice for creating what he called the "speculation show".

    'Serious questions'

    "If they'd come clean and give us some information about what he'd done this wouldn't be happening now," he told BBC Radio 5 live.

    "I think if we'd been at least drip fed some information this wild speculation wouldn't have gone out of control like it has now."

    Shadow home secretary Chris Grayling said he was more concerned about newspaper reports of Venables' activities than discovering the allegations he faced.

    "This is somebody who has been released from prison, who is supposed to be on licence, is supposed to be under the control of the probation bodies," he told Sky News.

    "Something has gone wrong here and there will certainly be serious questions to be asked."

    Venables, alongside Robert Thompson, served eight years for the murder of two-year-old James.

    Both boys became the UK's youngest murderers, as 10-year-olds, after abducting James from a shopping centre in Bootle, Merseyside, in February 1993.

    His battered body was later found by children playing on a freight railway line more than two miles away.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/8554370.stm

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    Re: James Bulger (2 yr old) murdered by two 10yr olds.

    Jack Straw has said that he might make more information public as the newspapers have already printed a lot of information.  ITV are saying that Denise is going to be giving an interview on This Morning.


    Jon Venables: government may reveal details of prison recall

    Jack Straw to assess public reports about licence breach by James Bulger's killer to decide if any details can be confirmed

    The justice secretary, Jack Straw, indicated today that he may reveal more details about the breach allegedly committed by James Bulger's killer Jon Venables that prompted his recall to prison.

    Responding to pressure from the public and media to reveal the specific details of why the 27-year-old, released on licence under a new identity in 2001, was back in jail, he told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "What I want to do is look at what has already been made public ... to look at that and then to make a judgment about if there's information – given that it's already out in the newspapers – we can confirm."

    Straw's comments followed a number of reports over the weekend that purported to reveal the reasons Venables was recalled and details of his life outside prison. The Sunday Mirror said he was returned to prison in connection with child pornography offences. Other reports said Venables had been known to drink heavily and use drugs, and had revealed his true identity to others.

    Venables and Robert Thompson, then both aged 10, lured two-year-old James away from a shopping centre in Bootle, Merseyside, in February 1993, and battered him to death. Under the terms of their release, they must adhere to a series of strict conditions, including that they never make contact with each other or return to Liverpool.

    At the time of the trial, Venables was viewed as the more hopeful case for rehabilitation, because he was apparently more remorseful than his co-accused.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/ma...-prison-recall

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    James Bulger's mother calls for answers over Venables

    The mother of James Bulger has said she has a right to know why his killer is back in prison, but is getting "no answers" from the government.

    Jon Venables, 27, who murdered two-year-old James in 1993, was recalled for breaching the terms of his licence.

    James's mother, Denise Fergus told ITV's This Morning: "I am sick of them closing doors in my face."

    Justice Secretary Jack Straw has confirmed he will answer "urgent questions" in parliament at 1530 GMT.

    Earlier he said he is on the "horns of a dilemma" over whether to divulge the allegations.

    A number of media outlets have alleged Venables was recalled to prison on suspicion of offences related to images of child abuse.

    Denise Fergus was speaking on This Morning, ITV1

    Mr Straw admitted the details behind Venables being returned to prison were in the public interest, but said there was a risk of prejudicing any further criminal proceedings.

    Mrs Fergus said she was "prepared to wait" for details of how Venables breached his licence.

    "I do not want to prejudice a trial but I have the right to know," she said.

    Mrs Fergus is to meet Mr Straw in the next couple of days and has prepared a list of questions.

    The justice secretary told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "What I want to do is to look at what has already been made public... to look at that and then to make a judgment about whether there is information that given it is now out in any event we could now confirm."

    Mr Straw stressed Venables was still not facing any charges and that a criminal investigation was still under way.

    Shadow justice secretary, Dominic Grieve, had earlier said there should be a statement to Parliament.

    'Not eating'

    He said Mr Straw had tried to respond to the story and "tried to honour his commitment to the rule of law and not to allow things to be said, or openly stated, which he thinks would interfere with the legal process."

    Mr Grieve said: "He faces a difficulty there, but at the same time it does seem to me now that enough has been said for him to come to Parliament and explain what's going on."

    Meanwhile Mrs Fergus said Venables' recall had left her "very emotional".

    She said: "My head has been all over the place. I don't know what he has done.

    "I don't know whether he has gone on to kill someone else.

    "I have had sleepless nights and I am not eating again - I have had to pull my kids out of school.

    "It is just one massive rollercoaster again for me."

    Venables and James's other killer, Robert Thompson, both 10 at the time, snatched two-year-old James from the Strand shopping centre in Bootle, Liverpool in 1993.

    They walked him more than two miles to a railway line where they beat him to death and left his body on the tracks to be hit by a train.

    They were given new identities on their release from life sentences in 2001.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...de/8555597.stm

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    I just watched her interview, the nightmare for her has started all over again.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HucgY0l6B9s

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    http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Politics/Bulger-Killer-Jack-Straw-Will-Not-Reveal-More-About-James-Bulgers-Killer/Article/201003215569592?lpos=Politics_Top_Stories_Header_0 &lid=ARTICLE_15569592_Bulger_Killer%3A_Jack_St raw_Will_Not_Reveal_More_About_James_Bulgers_Kille r

    Jack Straw has refused to reveal why one of James Bulger's killers was sent back to jail, saying it would not be in the interests of justice.

    The Justice Secretary made a statement to MPs in the Commons - and said that officials in his department had discovered that during the week of February 22 there had been a compromise of Jon Venables' new identity.

    They then found there had been a "serious breach" of his licence.


    James Bulger's parents were informed under the Victim Contact Scheme.

    Mr Straw said he "fully understood" the concern and frustration of the child-victim's mother, Denise Fergus, but that after "active consideration", he had decided it was not "in the interest of justice" to reveal more.


    Why I Won't Give In To Pressure
    "Premature disclosure would undermine justice, including the investigation and potential for prosecution of this alleged crime," he said.


    It came as Denise Fergus called for those monitoring Venables to be fired.

    Reports have claimed that the 27-year-old, who with Robert Thompson killed James Bulger in 1993, was taken back to prison after he was found with images of child abuse.

    Images rated at level 4 - the second most serious - were allegedly found on his home computer, The Sun has reported.


    Spare a thought for a young man called David Calvert who was 'outed' as Jon Venables five years ago.

    Read more from Sky News' crime correspondent
    But ministers have so far resisted calls to reveal what prompted the recall, saying only that Venables faced "extremely serious allegations".

    Venables and Thompson were released with new identities in 2001, having served eight years for the murder.

    They are on life licence, meaning they can be taken back to prison at any time if they re-offend or if they are thought to pose a threat to the public.

    Both were 10 years old when they seized James from a shopping centre in Bootle, Merseyside, and battered him to death near a railway line. At the time, Thompson was thought to have led the killing.
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    Mr Straw also needs to research better when discussing cases in the Commons and not make himself look like a dickhead by getting Denises' name wrong. 
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    WTF?  Lozz that vid you sent is blocked to Americans based on copyright grounds.  Fuckin' ITV.  :x

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    [quote author=Tarren link=topic=23429.msg1557916#msg1557916 date=1268087058]
    Mr Straw also needs to research better when discussing cases in the Commons and not make himself look like a dickhead by getting Denises' name wrong. 
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    What a twat.  How does he not know her name is Denise Fergus and not Denise Ferguson?  Is he living in a fucking cave??  He's supposed to be meeting her this week.  You'd think he'd have checked what her name was :|

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    [quote author=leapfreak link=topic=23429.msg1557932#msg1557932 date=1268087470]
    What a twat.  How does he not know her name is Denise Fergus and not Denise Ferguson?  Is he living in a fucking cave??  He's supposed to be meeting her this week.  You'd think he'd have checked what her name was :|
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    I know right, and in the HOC too. Fucking wanker.
    I don't care if he lives under a rock, he's the justice secretary for fucks sake. It's a complete slap in the face for James' mum. As if this past week hasn't been bad enough for her already. And it's James' birthday next week.
    I think her dignity shines through again, and she seems very upset and concerned at the thought that Venables may have harmed someone else.

    Lozz, I saw a snippet of that interview on the news, thanks for posting it. It made me angry and sad.

    RIP James'. I hope justice will be served for you soon.
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    [quote author=Tarren link=topic=23429.msg1557973#msg1557973 date=1268089300]
    I know right, and in the HOC too. Fucking wanker.
    I don't care if he lives under a rock, he's the justice secretary for fucks sake. It's a complete slap in the face for James' mum. As if this past week hasn't been bad enough for her already. And it's James' birthday next week.
    I think her dignity shines through again, and she seems very upset and concerned at the thought that Venables may have harmed someone else.

    Lozz, I saw a snippet of that interview on the news, thanks for posting it. It made me angry and sad.

    RIP James'. I hope justice will be served for you soon.
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    I watched This Morning today because I'd seen them say Denise was going to be on.  When she kept saying how scared she was that Venables had hurt or killed another child was so sad. 

    Some people on the This Morning website were leaving comments saying that she doesn't deserve to know anything and she needs to move on and get over it :|

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    I watched This Morning today because I'd seen them say Denise was going to be on.  When she kept saying how scared she was that Venables had hurt or killed another child was so sad. 

    Some people on the This Morning website were leaving comments saying that she doesn't deserve to know anything and she needs to move on and get over it :|
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    This thread shouldn't even exist! The reason is because this should never have happened.  :x

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    This thread shouldn't even exist! The reason is because this should never have happened.  :x

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    [quote author=Monter link=topic=23429.msg1558089#msg1558089 date=1268099648]
    "Get over it and move on" - the battle cry of the ignorant insensitive and emotionally retarded.
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    I just don't get it. I think I am too damn sensitive. I remember when this happened. I should have known better and stayed away from this thread.

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    [quote author=nerysinci link=topic=23429.msg1557920#msg1557920 date=1268087143]
    WTF?  Lozz that vid you sent is blocked to Americans based on copyright grounds.  Fuckin' ITV.  :x
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    I can't find it anywhere thats not copyrighted, apart from this snippet

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuQODJkx27Q


    While looking i did find the first documentry she did in 2008

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pX8syQSwNYM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DviHzZgHb7Y

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIYfxsutrvM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxweZXS8sq4

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5Oktr9ldKs

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0_Uxh1g8Sc



    And Jack Straw has always been a first class twat, i think after Gordon Brown spelling the dead soliders name wrong in the letter too his family that they would take more care of getting these things right. Denise most likely expected it, she knows better than anyone that our goverment is run by chimps.

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    Maybe this is why the public should be told of his true identity? I completly understand if doing this comprimises (sp??) the court case - that they have to leave it until after but the british (and worldwide i expect) are out for blood.


    I can't seem to find the facebook page- maybe it has been deleted?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1256533/Jon-Venables-Terror-young-father-accused-Bulger-killer-Facebook.html

    [size=10pt][size=10pt][/size][/size]'I'm NOT Jon Venables': Terror of young father, 27, accused on Facebook of being Bulger killer


    By Stephen Wright
    Last updated at 2:45 PM on 09th March 2010


    More than 2,000 join Facebook site 'exposing' innocent man

    Judge who granted Venables his anonymity warns he may be murdered by vigilantes

    Priest under fire for saying he 'feels sorry' for Bulger's killer

    Straw signals probe into how Venables had been supervised

    Bulger's mother calls for those overseeing killer to be sacked




    A young father was in fear for his life today after he was falsely accused of being Jon Venables on Facebook.

    A social networking group was set up asking whether Venables is a man called David Calvert, aged 27, from Fleetwood, near Blackpool.
    By 8am this morning, more than 2,370 people had joined the Facebook group to discuss the new name given to Venables when he was released from custody nine years ago.
    What few of the contributors realised was that Mr Calvert, originally from Liverpool, was the subject of similarly false rumours five years ago.
    Then he went public to describe how he had endured a torrent of abuse following sick claims that he was really Venables.

    He even produced a family photo album to prove his credentials.
    The mistaken naming of Mr Calvert comes as Justice Secretary Jack Straw yesterday signalled a major probe into how Venables was supervised in the community before he was recalled to prison over alleged child porn offences.
    Speaking in 2005, Mr Calvert said his family had been under threat after rumours began to spread.
    Police took the threats so seriously they even installed a panic button in Mr Calvert's home.
    The father of two claimed people were turning up on his neighbours' doorsteps with pictures of young James Bulger's killers Robert Thompson and Jon Venables and asking: 'Do you know who you live next to?'
    Mr Calvert, then 23,  said he was terrified for himself, his girlfriend and his two young sons who shared his terraced home.
    He said: 'People have been turning up at my neighbours' houses with pictures of the killers printed off the internet and saying one of them is me.
    'Now I hear that threats are being made and I'm worried that someone will come for me or my girlfriend or hurt my kids.
    'I'm too scared to go out of the house now. I have these people saying they will get me out 'no matter what' and I'm terrified at what they might do.'
    Denise Fergus and husband Stuart speak to Phillip Schofield and Holly Willoughby on ITV's This Morning programme yesterday

    The trouble started six months earlier when Mr Calvert mentioned to a neighbour that he had served time in a Liverpool prison when he was younger.
    He said he had spent four months in prison for fraud.
    After that, he claimed, rumours suddenly began to spread and soon the situation turned nasty.
    One contributor to the 'David Calvert' Facebook page said yesterday: 'This group should be closed asap in my view , can you imagine being accused of this if its not him, him and his family are as good as dead allready (sic)...
    'We can not and will not ever forget what happend to the beautiful little boy but until we have the facts that are known to be true groups like this should not be allowed ..'
    Another contributor was more cutting in her remarks: 'What a pointless group. You're all mental....what if David Calvert is just David Calvert?' she said.

    The row about what to do with Venables deepened today after a Catholic priest wrote on his blog that he felt 'immensely sorry' for 'innocent' Jon Venables.
    Under an entry in his online parish magazine entitled, 'Feeling sorry for Jon Venables', Father Ray Blake, of St Mary Magdalen Church, Brighton, wrote: 'I feel immensely sorry for Venables - as well as Jamie Bulger and his poor mother.
    Father Ray Blake has come under fire for saying he feel sorry for Venables
    'We are what we are, it must be horrendous for Venables to wake up every morning and see facing him in the mirror a hated child killer, carrying all the baggage of a corrupted childhood which lead up to murder, and the baggage which followed his conviction.
    'We are what we are, what our parents, our childhood, our experiences have made us, they are inescapable, we can run away from them into drink, drugs or hedonism of one sort or another.'

    Responding to a furious online backlash from some of his readers, the priest added: 'I think Venables is "innocent" in so far as he is and was incapable of choosing that which is right. He is the victim of his upbringing, the product of abuse.
    'Prison is not the right place for him but neither is ordinary society. What do we do with people like him?

    One parishioner angry with his remarks wrote: 'Forgiveness of God is one thing, but justice demands he pay the price he owes to society at large.'
    Last night the judge who granted his anonymity warned that Venables could be murdered by vigilantes if his new identity is revealed.
    Lady Butler-Sloss, the former president of the High Court's family division who granted Venables anonymity on his release from prison, stressed 'the enormous importance of protecting his anonymity now and if he is released because those who wanted to kill him in 2001 are likely to be out there now'.
      Baroness Butler-Sloss has defended Jon Venables' anonymity order, while Jack Straw has hinted at an inquiry into how he was supervised after his release

    She said: 'This young man may or may not be tried. He may or may not have committed offences. There is, of course, at least the possibility that he has committed no offence.

    'And consequently, he may therefore be allowed again to be out (of jail) on licence.'

    Yesterday Mr Straw defied calls from the murdered toddler's mother, Denise Fergus, to reveal full details about why Jon Venables, now 27, is back in prison.
    The stand-off came on another highly-charged day in the wake of Venables' return to jail for breaching the terms of his parole.
    As revealed in yesterday's Mail, Venables is expected to be charged in the next few days with possessing child porn on his computer.
    It was claimed that the depraved images hoarded by Venables were rated category four, the second most severe category on an official scale of one to five.
    The revelation prompted Mrs Fergus to question whether Venables had been properly supervised by probation officers after he was released from custody with a new identity in 2001.
    Speaking on ITV1's This Morning programme, she said: 'I do believe that whoever has been protecting and looking after Venables over the nine years of his release should be sacked.'
    She also lashed out at ministers' handling of the scandal since news of Venables's return to prison broke last Tuesday.

    'I can't believe that they are putting me through this,' she said.
    'Any question I have asked them, I have had no answers and it's about time now I got some answers. I am sick of them closing doors in my face.'
    A HINT THAT THE STORIES ARE TRUE
    Jack Straw all but admitted yesterday that claims made about the reason for Venables's arrest were true.
    Speaking to John Humphrys on the Radio 4 Today programme, the Justice Secretary said: 'What I want to do is to look at what has already been made public, be it through agencies or newspapers, not officially, and then to make a judgment about whether this information, given that it's now out of our hands, we can confirm.'
    Humphrys responded: 'I may sound like a third-rate lawyer here but we've kind of already confirmed that what's in the papers is accurate because, as you said, it's out anyway.'
    Mr Straw said that Venables 'may have committed further serious offences', adding: 'It's precisely because a criminal investigation is under way that I, the Crown Prosecution Service and the police were extremely anxious that there should not be such publicity as possibly to prejudice a future criminal investigation, charges or trial.
    'In my view, it was better to be cautious about what was disclosed. I fully understand that now there's a barrage of criticism we should've said more.
    'But I can tell you that if I had spelled out in public the details that became available during the course of the last few days and the consequence of that was a successful application for an abuse of process stopping any possibility of trial then quite rightly the criticism would have been much more profound.'
    Mrs Fergus, 42, added: 'The Government just don't know how to handle this now. Because this is so big again, the Government are just treating it like a football, kicking it to one another.'
    But Mr Straw defended the need for secrecy. In an emergency Commons statement he said that releasing further information was 'not in the interests of justice' because it could threaten the fairness of any future trial.

    He also revealed that details of the alleged breach of licence conditions came to light after officials were told that Venables' new identity had been compromised.
    Last night the judge who granted anonymity to the killers warned that Venables would be at risk of being killed by vigilantes if his new identity is revealed.
    Baroness Butler-Sloss, former president of the family division of the High Court, stressed 'the enormous importance of protecting his anonymity now and if he is released because those who wanted to kill him in 2001 are likely to be out there now'.
    Earlier yesterday, Mr Straw hinted on Radio 4's Today programme that he could release more information, but addressing MPs he said that although he understood 'the concern of James Bulger's parents and the wider public about this case', he had concluded that releasing more details 'would not presently be in the interests of justice'.
    Hinting that a prosecution could be imminent, he added: 'It is critical that if charges do follow, it is possible to hold a fair trial - fair for the defence and fair for the prosecution.'
    Signalling an inquiry into how Venables had been handled since his release from prison, he added that if any offender on a life licence was charged with a further serious offence, there would be a 'thorough review' into his supervision.
    Victim: Two-year-old James Bulger was abducted and killed in 1993
    Giving limited background about the chain of events leading up to his prison recall, Mr Straw told MPs: 'During the week beginning February 22 this year, officials in my department learnt of a compromise of Venables' new identity.
    'Subsequently, information came to light that Venables may have committed a serious breach of his licence conditions.
    'He was recalled to custody the same day and has since remained in prison. A parole board hearing will be held as soon as practicable.'
    At one stage in his address to MPs, Mr Straw referred to Mrs Fergus as 'Mrs Ferguson'.

    On the radio, he wrongly called her 'Mrs Bulger'. An aide later said his reference to 'Mrs Ferguson' was inadvertent and the Justice Secretary apologised.
    Venables and Robert Thompson, both ten, snatched two-year-old James in Bootle, Liverpool, in 1993.
    They walked him more than two miles to a railway line, where they beat him to death and left his body on the tracks to be hit by a train. Both were released on licence in 2001 with new identities.
    Will his trial have to be held in secret?   
    Venables could stand trial amidst unprecedented secrecy.
    Some lawyers believe that to protect his anonymity, and ensure he gets a fair trial, the case could be heard in 'camera', without the press or public present.
    The case is particularly complex because of the draconian injunction which protects Venables's new identity.
    Even before he is formally charged, legal opinion is divided on how the case will be managed.
    An Old Bailey barrister said: 'It is quite possible that the case will be held in camera and that Venables will appear under a false name. Any prosecution will be hugely problematic, but extremely fascinating from a practical and historical point of view.'

    However a former Crown Prosecution Service lawyer said that Venables's notoriety should not prevent his real identity being disclosed to a jury, so long the media were barred from printing any new pictures or sketches of the killer.
    'Over the years, a number of notorious criminals have gone on trial and their identities have been revealed to juries,' the lawyer said.
    'What is important is that the judge tells the jury to assess his guilt or innocence on the evidence in the present case, not on what he has done in the past.'
    The Attorney General, Baroness Scotland, and Director of Public Prosecutions, Keir Starmer QC, are consulting their most senior advisers as they plot the legal minefield that lies ahead.



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    I think there's a programme on at 7.30 on ITV called Justice for James. For any UK peeps who want to watch.
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    [quote author=Tarren link=topic=23429.msg1560797#msg1560797 date=1268334165]
    I think there's a programme on at 7.30 on ITV called Justice for James. For any UK peeps who want to watch.
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    Just watched it.

    I don't need to know his name or what he has done but with-holding it from her makes me sick. It actually makes me so angry, they have done EVERYTHING for him and NOTHING for her and the family. Ugh its becoming a sick joke now.

    Her saying she doesn't know anything about him but he could know what her kids look like, he could know about them, he could of followed them, gone to James grave and she would never know. He hasn't been watched these last few years.

    And the fact it James would of been 20 next week 

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    [quote author=Tarren link=topic=23429.msg1560797#msg1560797 date=1268334165]
    I think there's a programme on at 7.30 on ITV called Justice for James. For any UK peeps who want to watch.
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    Urgh and I just read this at 8:23.  I'll have to try to find it on the itv player thing.

    [quote author=Lozz*in*Wonderland link=topic=23429.msg1560894#msg1560894 date=1268337448]
    Just watched it.

    I don't need to know his name or what he has done but with-holding it from her makes me sick. It actually makes me so angry, they have done EVERYTHING for him and NOTHING for her and the family. Ugh its becoming a sick joke now.

    Her saying she doesn't know anything about him but he could know what her kids look like, he could know about them, he could of followed them, gone to James grave and she would never know. He hasn't been watched these last few years.

    And the fact it James would of been 20 next week 
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    When she was on This Morning she was talking about how her other children have no anonymity and everyone knows who they are so they get asked about James whilst his killers get to start over again with new identities. 

    They've screwed this up royally.  There needs to be some sort of investigation into whoever was supposed to be watching the pair of them because they clearly are doing a bang up job :|

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    I found the progamme on itv player.

    I can understand them not telling the public Venables identity and I can understand them not telling Denise.  If they give her that information they then have to trust that she won't tell anyone.  The more people who know the more chance there is of it being leaked.  On This Morning she was saying that she doesn't care if she has to wait until after a trial to be told his identity.  She just wants to know that she will be told eventually.

    Venables previous lawyer pissed me off moaning about how hard it had been on Venables because his whole life became a lie when he was released because of his new identity. 

    Having to tell a few lies doesn't really compare to being kidnapped, beaten with bricks and a pipe, having paint thrown in your eyes, having batteries shoved in to you and being hit by a train.

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    [quote author=leapfreak link=topic=23429.msg1560993#msg1560993 date=1268343061]
    I found the progamme on itv player.

    I can understand them not telling the public Venables identity and I can understand them not telling Denise.  If they give her that information they then have to trust that she won't tell anyone.  The more people who know the more chance there is of it being leaked.  On This Morning she was saying that she doesn't care if she has to wait until after a trial to be told his identity.  She just wants to know that she will be told eventually.

    Venables previous lawyer pissed me off moaning about how hard it had been on Venables because his whole life became a lie when he was released because of his new identity. 

    Having to tell a few lies doesn't really compare to being kidnapped, beaten with bricks and a pipe, having paint thrown in your eyes, having batteries shoved in to you and being hit by a train.
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    I totally agree with the after the trial thing but they won't, and she knows it. I doubt she will ever know and he'll be sent merrily on his way. Maybe they will keep an eye on his this time.

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