I haven't, but I just listened to the sword and scale podcast about it.
So I'm more confused than ever after watching it. It was interesting about the child trafficking in Omaha etc. but I just cannot believe that johnny apparently went to visit his mother relatively recently. And that she didn't tell anyone for years. I believe johnnys father (her ex husband) thinks she is fruity too. It was interesting - would recommend even if you don't know anything about the case.
I just watched it today too - & yeah, I'm having trouble with that visit too. She sounds so plausible in every other aspect that it's really hard to get my head around that part.
I mean, if her entire reason for saying nothing at the time was "my son asked me not to say anything/speaking out about the visit would put his life in danger", then why would it suddenly be safe to tell the world just 2 years later while he was still missing?
Personally I'd be more than a little unhinged if I'd had a child go missing & had the authorities who were supposed to help instead obstructed the search at every turn though
I felt the same listening to the podcast. She sounds completely sane most of the time. Her story is fuckin bat shit though.
She may just be trying to keep the cases profile up by getting people interested so they don't forget.
It's fascinating. I tend to believe the connection to the Omaha Child sex racket, but I believe Johnny is dead. My in laws were friends with Alisha Owens family and I worked with Troy Boner's mom. The connection to the Franklin Credit Union scandal, which had ties to political figures in DC and child shopping at Boystown boggles the mind. Paul Bonacci admitted to abducting Johnny I believe. Many people connected to the case died in suspicious ways. Johnny Gosch's story is so interesting because it leads to so many other stories with well known, wealthy people.
I've come across noreen gosch in the past online and she always seems unhinged to me. She came across more rationally in the doco, except for the visit part. She's kooky and I like that.
Have you ever had a dream that's so real you can't let it go... My Mom does this and she will insist days later that yes, she was on the roof watching houses and people float down the river... and this absolute belief can persist years later. And every time she tells the story it get more detailed.
I know what planted the seed for the dream, but the event she lived is nothing like her memory of it.
I think that's what Mama Gosch is dealing with. A horrible thing happened. Tore her life apart and her subconscious mind is trying to deal.
Oh wow! The Franklin Conspiracy was a fascinating book. I heard that all of the stories that were told were made up. I forgot the Black dudes name that was supposedly providing the kids to the perverts...but what happened to him after he served his time? I still have that book in my bookcase. I rarely find anyone who has heard of it.
Bohemian Grove is another topic that was discussed.
Larry King was his name. Years later Paul Bonacci sued Larry King for a million dollars for being pimped out as a child and won. There were several high profile people named as participants in this sex ring. People who have streets and parks named after them. These kids were flown out of state several times for sex parties, many times to DC. The flights were documented. These kids described late night tours of the White House and gave details in their trial that backs this claim. They also described rituals at Bohemian Grove and described Bohemian Grove in detail. How many places have 40ft tall owl statues?
There is no doubt in my mind there was a sex ring. There had been rumors for years about kids from Boystown and Alan Baers sex parties. After the trial, a few of the local names brought out at trial were convicted for child porn and went to prison. Years later a couple foster children gave similar tails of being taken to DC for sex, these children were believed and the foster parents prosecuted. The foster parents last name were Webb and were related to Larry King and The police chief, who Alisha Owen accused of abusing her, was in charge of their investigation and made sure they were never interviewed. The state legislature had to order an investigation to reach the truth with the Webbs.
Larry King was released from prison in 2001. He was never convicted for trafficking children, but was imprisoned for stealing 39 million from the credit union. Upon his release he moved to Virginia, DC area and other than the lawsuit brought on by Bonacci we have heard nothing about him here. Alan Baer died from cancer and was described as a philanthropist and all around good guy in the write up by the World Herald when he died. No mention of sex parties and plying kids with alcohol and heroin or his involvement in the investigation of child sex trafficking. Peter Citron who was a local media celebrity, both with the World Herald as a movie critic and had a spot on the local news, eventually was busted for sexual abuse of children and served time in prison. He died in 2003. Troy Boner who recanted his testimony which sent Owens and Bonacci to prison for crafting a sex trafficking hoax died after entering a hospital in the middle of the night, claiming "they" were trying to kill him over DeCamps book. He was mildly sedated and kept on a mental health hold and was found dead that night. Details about how he died have never been released.
Below is a link to Alisha Owen who is being interviewed by Gary Caradori. Caradori later died in a private plane crash after he told his wife he had obtained photographs that would back up the sex ring allegations. The FBI responded to the crash site and took evidence. Caradori's belongings were sealed in the investigation and I have read other reports of graphic child photo's being strewn along the countryside and that Caradori's briefcase was never found. His plane broke up mid flight, so the crash debris was spread over a large area.
http://www.franklinscandal.com/Owen/
Queena, was the book you have written by John Decamp?
Yes, I went and flipped through it. I never believed that kids were making that stuff up. There was a lot of evidence to back then up. DeCamp really put himself on the line to write that book. If I'm not mistaken, Regan and Bush had aides that were involved with those kids. If I recall correctly, a child directly named Bush. There was a guy from Chicago who had a website back in the 90's that detailed a lot of stories that corroborated what the kids were saying. I really wish that I remembered his name. I used to read a lot about Bohemian Grove, Skulls and Bones, and secret clubs.
Reading through this shit now and reading the names of people in DC who 20yrs later were making news for sexing up underage interns and soliciting blow jobs in airport bathrooms. I really wish HBO would do a documentary about this. One of those kids named Bush senior as one of the people involved. I think it was Troy Boner who named Bush. It's all so detailed for those kids to make all of that up.
I've never read DeCamps book. I think it's by mail order only and I'm sort of lazy. I wonder if I could get an ebook version.
Yeeeeeeeaaaaah but so was a lot of evidence in the daycare abuse scandals back in the day. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day-ca...abuse_hysteria
Not saying I don't believe it's possible for there to have been/still be things like this going on, especially in "elite" circles, just saying that I'm wary of assuming it's *all* true, personally.
The daycare scandal had children questioned by experts in such a way that it changed their memory of events. Very young children are easily manipulated. The Omaha child sex trafficking initially had 60 people and they ended up with 4. Most of them were scared away from giving testimony. The remaining young people were in their early twenties during the hearings and had been in the sex trade with this group for several years. They were interviewed individually and their stories were consistently the same.
Paul Bonacci is not in good mental health. It sort of blows my mind that he would actually admit to taking part in the abduction. Because of his mental health issues, I can't 100% buy into it as being true. I would not be surprised if it were though. The weird twists in this story amazing. Like how Jeff Ganon got to be in the White House press corp. The guy is a prostitute and manages to get press credentials and access to the president. Mind blowing LOL
I watched the documentary and just being honest....it couldn't hold my attention. I'm not saying that this kind of thing doesn't happen, we know it does. But I'm on board with Puzz and Feets....Woman that lost a Son and is delusional by necessity to avoid completely losing it. Like, "catatonic" kind of losing it.
Yes, the mom thought Ganon possibly could be Johnny, similar birth marks or something. I think he has been ruled out as her son.
We lost a beloved pet a few years back. I still hold hope that someone picked him up and he is just waiting for the opportunity to sneak out the door to come back home to me. I can't imagine trying to come to terms with a missing child. It has to be way worse than having a child die. I'll allow her to keep her delusions, but what if someone did come to her home and say he was Johnny. Some sort of twisted maniac playing mind games with a grieving woman so people like us will talk about it. He's probably reading this now...
I dunno, I just found this, but who knows how accurate it is:
I am pretty sure Colin Powell has attended at least once or twice , though.Black jokes are out because there are a handful of black members — though one day near the Civic Center I did hear a group of old-timers trying to imitate Jesse Jackson. As for Jews, old membership lists suggest that they have taken a very small part in the club for decades.
Wow. I'd never heard of Bohemian Grove. I just skimmed the wiki, looks like I need to do quite a bit of reading ...
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