[quote author=Olivia link=topic=19771.msg1345455#msg1345455 date=1248662304]
Are you Moriarty on helpfindthemissing?
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Yes.
[quote author=Olivia link=topic=19771.msg1345455#msg1345455 date=1248662304]
Are you Moriarty on helpfindthemissing?
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Yes.
[quote author=Rhiannon link=topic=19771.msg1345492#msg1345492 date=1248666814]
Yes.
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I thought so - the writing styles are the same
[quote author=intrigued1csc link=topic=19771.msg1344343#msg1344343 date=1248551926]
... It is close to an airport, but she couldn't have flown because they would have record of that, right?[/quote]
Maybe not. She might have had some fake ID. She might have obtained a passport under the name Billie Jo Cox. The birth certificate would still exist even though her name had been changed later by her adopted parents. She could probably get an SSI card under her previous name, too. She could pay for the ticket in cash.
They might let you pay cash as long as you make a very large deposit on the room.There are alot of hotels, but again, there would be a record because you have to have a credit card.
What trailer park? Is there a trailer park near the Waffle House?Maybe she was abducted by someone who lives in the trailer park?
I agree. I just don't get the feeling that Kellie has killed herself or seriously meant to kill herself.Maybe she left all of her stuff behind and met a friend by the highway? Something tells me this girl did not kill herself.
[quote author=trepid link=topic=19771.msg1344149#msg1344149 date=1248537387]
The only other thing is the "car breaking down" theory ... which is possible if it was that bunky crap box. [/quote]
Why do you think that her car was such a junk?
sorry, I was just assuming again (someone once told me never to assume anything in these sorts of cases) but the bunky car thing was in my head because of a post Olivia put up a few pages back from findthemissing. The post was written by an apparent old friend of Kellie's ... they had had a falling out over puf (I think Kellie got offended that the friend criticised her relationship).
This is the bit about the bunky car ... but reading back I now note that this was apparently a few years ago before they moved to Austin so they might have been driving different vehicles by now, but seems like money was tight so it's plausible that she still owns them/uses them.
Since John did not have a job yet or any money, Kellie paid the rent and deposits out of her own money. She also paid for the utility transfers/deposits/etc.
Then he turned down one job offer after another because none of them suited him and his high opinion of himself.
Finally, he took a job selling cars because someone told him he could make BIG money selling cars.
His first month there he fell short of the allotted "minimum sales" to get his bonus (or whatever it's called) so he talked Kellie into buying a used car from him. She already had a car but it was old and had problems.
This would have all been okay, except that he talked her into a car that was used as a trade-in and had not been checked by their mechanic yet and carried no warranty whatsoever. Now, Kellie is a very smart girl, but she is also a people-pleaser.
She told me that she felt pressured into buying the car, but that she was hoping for the best. Hopefully this car would be a good deal and be better than the car she already had. Buying it also insured that John got his bonus.
Turns out that the car sucked. But things like that happen.
[quote author=trepid link=topic=19771.msg1345776#msg1345776 date=1248697729]
sorry, I was just assuming again (someone once told me never to assume anything in these sorts of cases) but the bunky car thing was in my head because of a post Olivia put up a few pages back from findthemissing. The post was written by an apparent old friend of Kellie's ... they had had a falling out over puf (I think Kellie got offended that the friend criticised her relationship).
This is the bit about the bunky car ... but reading back I now note that this was apparently a few years ago before they moved to Austin so they might have been driving different vehicles by now, but seems like money was tight so it's plausible that she still owns them/uses them.
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At the time of her disappearance, Kellie was apparently in possession of two used cars: a gold Chrysler Cirrus and maroon Buick Century, both late 90's models. "John" in this note may be Puf, since he says "we" found the car that morning.
http://www.helpfindthemissing.org/mi...536comment-536
Quote from the above link:
Responses to “Kellie Hall”
John on May 8th, 2009 11:49 am
This is actually not accurate. She wasn’t driving the Cirrus anymore because it kept breaking and she didn’t trust it anymore. She’d bought a maroon Buick Century, a 99 I think. That is the vehicle we found, that had a will in it.
Cell phone was left inside unlocked car; and the car was apparently working okay.
http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/...p;postcount=47
Quote from the above link:
[4-H (a co-worker):] As far as the car goes, it's my understanding that it was functioning. They found her cell phone, wallet w/ ID and bank cards, and the keys inside the unlocked car. So I'm pretty sure she left it willingly.
well it definately wasn't a robbery!
Do we even know if Kelly was driving a car that night or has everyone just assumed she did? If there were spare keys than theoretically puf could have driven that car there (or got a mate to do so) as a decoy. Or that car could have been driven by Kelly elsewhere, she may of even made it back home that night, and it was taken back there later by someone else, to create the illusion she had never left. Do you know if the keys were in the ignition or not?
This reminds me so much of a case over here, where a girl was last seen in the car park of her work place and then she just vanished. Her unlocked car was found parked in a health centre car park not far away in much the same circumstances, with all of her belongings, including her wallet and mobile phone ... that was in 2001 and she still hasn't been found. The car was most definately a decoy. This case has all the same hallmarks. Everything is just too strategic and well-thought out for it to be a random abduction. If it was a suicide, the fact that her body hasn't been found is somewhat strange. Personally, I get the feeling she might be in water, but I am really hoping she has just run away and doesn't want to be found. She had a fair few aliases which she goes by which certainly makes you wonder...
Wow, I've been reading his blogs since last night. wtffffff. Just marking my spot.
Originally Posted by bowieluva
[quote author=Nancy Drew link=topic=19771.msg1346174#msg1346174 date=1248732219]
Wow, I've been reading his blogs since last night. wtffffff. Just marking my spot.
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What does this mean exactly? I'm not sure if I am interpreting it correctly.
GRE at 1 PM, central time. Graduate Record Examination. Three hours!
You got three hours left to make peace with your god, test!
(I got three hours to have a rising trepidation but damned if I won't strut on in there anyway. I shall resort to a brief reading of Clint Eastwood quotes for fortitude.)
I think an indulgence of nachos is in order. Best go in with the cortisol low and the serotonin high. Don't help that my circadian rhythm is wonkity and I woke up at 7 AM. Dang ol' suprachiasmatic nucleus dicking around with my sleep patterns. You gotta work with me, ye sub-regions of my brain.
Today is Kellie's birthday. Spare a prayer for one of the good ones, or if you don't do that... I don't know. Do it anyway.
Wish luck to us both. But err on the side of wishing it to her. :)
But don't wish her luck? Is that what he is saying?
I'm going to read these in a bit.
[quote author=Kristinella link=topic=19771.msg1346177#msg1346177 date=1248732532]
What does this mean exactly? I'm not sure if I am interpreting it correctly.
GRE at 1 PM, central time. Graduate Record Examination. Three hours!
You got three hours left to make peace with your god, test!
(I got three hours to have a rising trepidation but damned if I won't strut on in there anyway. I shall resort to a brief reading of Clint Eastwood quotes for fortitude.)
I think an indulgence of nachos is in order. Best go in with the cortisol low and the serotonin high. Don't help that my circadian rhythm is wonkity and I woke up at 7 AM. Dang ol' suprachiasmatic nucleus dicking around with my sleep patterns. You gotta work with me, ye sub-regions of my brain.
Today is Kellie's birthday. Spare a prayer for one of the good ones, or if you don't do that... I don't know. Do it anyway.
Wish luck to us both. But err on the side of wishing it to her. :)
But don't wish her luck? Is that what he is saying?
I'm going to read these in a bit.
[/quote]I took it to mean if you're going to only wish luck to one of us, wish it for her, but he's not as smart as he thinks he is so it came out wonky.
[quote author=Nancy Drew link=topic=19771.msg1346182#msg1346182 date=1248732794]
I took it to mean if you're going to only wish luck to one of us, wish it for her, but he's not as smart as he thinks he is so it came out wonky.
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I was reading it as the opposite. :oops:
AmeriCorps members, eh?
[quote author=trepid link=topic=19771.msg1346156#msg1346156 date=1248730360]
well it definately wasn't a robbery!
Do we even know if Kelly was driving a car that night or has everyone just assumed she did? If there were spare keys than theoretically puf could have driven that car there (or got a mate to do so) as a decoy. Or that car could have been driven by Kelly elsewhere, she may of even made it back home that night, and it was taken back there later by someone else, to create the illusion she had never left. Do you know if the keys were in the ignition or not?
This reminds me so much of a case over here, where a girl was last seen in the car park of her work place and then she just vanished. Her unlocked car was found parked in a health centre car park not far away in much the same circumstances, with all of her belongings, including her wallet and mobile phone ... that was in 2001 and she still hasn't been found. The car was most definately a decoy. This case has all the same hallmarks. Everything is just too strategic and well-thought out for it to be a random abduction. If it was a suicide, the fact that her body hasn't been found is somewhat strange. Personally, I get the feeling she might be in water, but I am really hoping she has just run away and doesn't want to be found. She had a fair few aliases which she goes by which certainly makes you wonder...
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You are in Australia right? What case is that one?
[quote author=trepid link=topic=19771.msg1346156#msg1346156 date=1248730360]
Personally, I get the feeling she might be in water, but I am really hoping she has just run away and doesn't want to be found. She had a fair few aliases which she goes by which certainly makes you wonder...
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I hope so, too. Kellie herself might be reading our posts with some degree of annoyance; but then, she would feel much worse if no one even cared.
[quote author=trepid link=topic=19771.msg1346156#msg1346156 date=1248730360]
Everything is just too strategic and well-thought out for it to be a random abduction.
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Yes, I don't get the feeling of a jealous BF just losing it.
But if she were abducted, the crime seems to almost smack of military intelligence. They must have researched her background carefully, then pulled off the operation without one single hitch, and they even produced a "suicide note" credible enough to stall a police investigation.
But it makes no sense, since Kellie was neither wealthy nor a celebrity. What would be the motive?
If she were abducted, the perps would have to be foreign, since American thugs would know that her family would be unlikely to produce enough cash to make the risk worthwhile. Americans too would know that Puf's family (even if well-to-do) probably could not produce a huge amount of cash on demand, either. A foreigner too might perceive Kellie as Puf's wife, esp. since he may have spoken of her as his wife in a figurative sense, as he did in his journal.
Plus, most importantly, foreign residents might not know about the Lindbergh Laws ...
Some people ridiculed my theory that Puf & Kellie's roommate, the "African militiaman" might have something to do with her disappearance. And, indeed, that one particular guy might be a perfectly innocent and decent person, but might there not be someone in his circle of contacts who (unknown to him) had some very bad intentions. For example, could some gang have disguised Kellie in Islamic garb, and somehow coerced her onto an airplane that night. These type of international gangs would have no trouble whatsoever obtainiing fake IDs & passports.
But, of course, where would they take her & why?
[quote author=Rhiannon link=topic=19771.msg1346443#msg1346443 date=1248747191]
Yes, I don't get the feeling of a jealous BF just losing it.
But if she were abducted, the crime seems to almost smack of military intelligence. They must have researched her background carefully, then pulled off the operation without one single hitch, and they even produced a "suicide note" credible enough to stall a police investigation.
But it makes no sense, since Kellie was neither wealthy nor a celebrity. What would be the motive?
If she were abducted, the perps would have to be foreign, since American thugs would know that her family would be unlikely to produce enough cash to make the risk worthwhile. Americans too would know that Puf's family (even if well-to-do) probably could not produce a huge amount of cash on demand, either. A foreigner too might perceive Kellie as Puf's wife, esp. since he may have spoken of her as his wife in a figurative sense, as he did in his journal.
Plus, most importantly, foreign residents might not know about the Lindbergh Laws ...
Some people ridiculed my theory that Puf & Kellie's roommate, the "African militiaman" might have something to do with her disappearance. And, indeed, that one particular guy might be a perfectly innocent and decent person, but might there not be someone in his circle of contacts who (unknown to him) had some very bad intentions. For example, could some gang have disguised Kellie in Islamic garb, and somehow coerced her onto an airplane that night. These type of international gangs would have no trouble whatsoever obtainiing fake IDs & passports.
But, of course, where would they take her & why?
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Why are you so fixated on the above theory? Do you have ANY evidence?
No offense, but I think you are making a mountain out of a molehill
[quote author=Olivia link=topic=19771.msg1346458#msg1346458 date=1248748291]
Why are you so fixated on the above theory? Do you have ANY evidence?
No offense, but I think you are making a mountain out of a molehill
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Am I the only one who thinks that their living situation sounds nutty?
[quote author=Rhiannon link=topic=19771.msg1346561#msg1346561 date=1248756725]
Am I the only one who thinks that their living situation sounds nutty?
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It wouldn't be my cup of tea but desperate times call for desperate measures. It is common here for students to share rooms in apartments, not just the apartment. If you don't have enough money for anything else, what are you going to do?
Case in point
[quote author=Olivia link=topic=19771.msg1346568#msg1346568 date=1248757755]
Case in point
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Somehow I think that if some African militiamen showed up, the landlady would cough and make excuses.
[quote author=Olivia link=topic=19771.msg1346568#msg1346568 date=1248757755]
Case in point
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I didn't realize that you were Australian. Maybe you haven't heard about the Lindbergh Laws. Back in the 1930s, kidnapping for ransom was a much more common crime in the US, where now ordinary kidnapping of American citizens almost never occurs. The reason is that the baby son of a much beloved politician named Charles Lindbergh was kidnapped and murdered. Public outrage ran so strong that the crime was made a federal offense allowing the FBI to step in early on, and the sentences given were maximal, usually life in prison, and in states that allow capital punishment, death. (The law was later modified to exclude distraught noncustodial parents who abduct their own children. Also, if the victim were returned unharmed, a lesser sentence might be recommended). Texas is a state known for its common application of the death penalty. An American thug would not dare an ordinary kidnapping esp. not in Texas!
Also, if Puf killed Kellie, he would likely be convicted on 1st degree Murder (that is, pre-meditated & deliberate murder), and he could possibly face the death penalty.
[quote author=Rhiannon link=topic=19771.msg1346592#msg1346592 date=1248762472]
Somehow I think that if some African militiamen showed up, the landlady would cough and make excuses.
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I am not getting why you think Kellies roommate is a militant? Because he is African?
[quote author=Rhiannon link=topic=19771.msg1346600#msg1346600 date=1248764920]
I didn't realize that you were Australian. Maybe you haven't heard about the Lindbergh Laws. Back in the 1930s, kidnapping for ransom was a much more common crime in the US, where now ordinary kidnapping of American citizens almost never occurs. The reason is that the baby son of a much beloved politician named Charles Lindbergh was kidnapped and murdered. Public outrage ran so strong that the crime was made a federal offense allowing the FBI to step in early on, and the sentences given were maximal, usually life in prison, and in states that allow capital punishment, death. (The law was later modified to exclude distraught noncustodial parents who abduct their own children. Also, if the victim were returned unharmed, a lesser sentence might be recommended). Texas is a state known for its common application of the death penalty. An American thug would not dare an ordinary kidnapping esp. not in Texas! [/quote]
I know about the Lindbergh laws.
Are you serious with your last statement? I can't decide if you are for real or taking the mickey. Check out this website - http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/mpch/MissingPersons.asp - I guess all the non family abductees on there were taken by foreigners?
[quote author=Rhiannon link=topic=19771.msg1346607#msg1346607 date=1248766508]
Also, if Puf killed Kellie, he would likely be convicted on 1st degree Murder (that is, pre-meditated & deliberate murder), and he could possibly face the death penalty.
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And? Are you saying this would be a deterrent? If he killed her in a rage, I doubt he stood back and considered the consequences
Sarah Anne McMahon in Perth, Western Australia. Missing Wednesday 8th November 2000.You are in Australia right? What case is that one?
I will start a new thread for her and put up the details so I don't hijack Kellie's one.
Here's an interesting comment from helpfindthemissing.org about the car situation from someone who is apparently a co-worker ...
And also apparently (according to this co-worker) the will was found in her bedroom and not in the car.05-20-2009, 02:25 PM #44
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Kellie and John generally did commute to work together, but I think this was primarily due to car problems. I know they did each have a vehicle for the last few months, though one seemed to constantly be having problems. I believe that when Kellie left her car at the Waffle House that John's car was functioning properly.
I've never heard John call Kellie his wife. They were living together and had been in a relationship for several years, but I don't know much about their personal relationship. As far as I know they were not engaged or married.
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