Jennifer Seitz (36) missing from cruise ship

[Karalicious]

[quote author=LetzRyde link=topic=17898.msg1131965#msg1131965 date=1230569009]
thats incredible, if thats what he did.  damn.

the other newly-wed lady who went missing on that other cruise ship.....her husband went back to the gaming tables after his wife went missing.   
[/quote]


http://home.wickedlocal.com/2008/12/29/local-couple-was-on-cruise-with-woman-overboard/
Jim Nestor, a retired state trooper, said the couple was “definitely different,” also describing them as “loud” and “wild.” He also said he saw Raymond Seitz aboard later, holding a bag of quarters and explaining that he was head to the ship’s casino “to see if he could change his luck.”

haha you might be on to something there!

[LetzRyde]

[quote author=Karalicious link=topic=17898.msg1132020#msg1132020 date=1230571047]

http://home.wickedlocal.com/2008/12/29/local-couple-was-on-cruise-with-woman-overboard/
Jim Nestor, a retired state trooper, said the couple was “definitely different,” also describing them as “loud” and “wild.” He also said he saw Raymond Seitz aboard later, holding a bag of quarters and explaining that he was head to the ship’s casino “to see if he could change his luck.”

haha you might be on to something there!
[/quote]

nothing strange there.  that same description could be used to describe me and my wife.    :lol:

[deeply shaded]

[quote author=LetzRyde link=topic=17898.msg1132024#msg1132024 date=1230571285]
nothing strange there.   that same description could be used to describe me and my wife.    :lol:
[/quote]

Now that you mention, it, where IS your wife? Hmmmmm

[neenerneener]

[quote author=deeply shaded link=topic=17898.msg1132090#msg1132090 date=1230574655]
Now that you mention, it, where IS your wife? Hmmmmm
[/quote]

:2thescream:

[Ron_NYC]

[quote author=Karalicious link=topic=17898.msg1131898#msg1131898 date=1230560779]
my bf and i were just joking this weekend that that would be the perfect way for him to kill me. We have an interesting relationship.
[/quote]

Everyone doesn't do this?

[LetzRyde]

[quote author=deeply shaded link=topic=17898.msg1132090#msg1132090 date=1230574655]
Now that you mention, it, where IS your wife? Hmmmmm
[/quote]

right now?  at the mall spending my money!    :lol:

[mishira]

[quote author=Ron_NYC link=topic=17898.msg1132109#msg1132109 date=1230575957]
Everyone doesn't do this?
[/quote]

My husband and I do.

Actually, the running joke in our relationship is that I'm just biding my time for a few more years until I can off him for the insurance money without raising suspicion.

FYI, there is no insurance policy. Yet. :lol:

[deeply shaded]

[quote author=Ron_NYC link=topic=17898.msg1132109#msg1132109 date=1230575957]
Everyone doesn't do this?
[/quote]

I can't speak for everyone, but I remind my husband daily of the things that will get him killed.

[mialynneb]

I've been on quite a few cruises and they are very safe.  Whenever I'm near the railing I have this urge to jump. Not to kill myself but more for the "Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!" factor.  :lol:

[Olivia]

I read somewhere that the husband had been cleared.  Not sure how they can clear him though when they have not found her.  I'll find the article later.  Have ya'll read her knot wedding page with hubby #1.  She has been married twice since 06.

[mishira]

[quote author=Olivia link=topic=17898.msg1132448#msg1132448 date=1230594006]
I read somewhere that the husband had been cleared.  Not sure how they can clear him though when they have not found her.  I'll find the article later.   Have ya'll read her knot wedding page with hubby #1.  She has been married twice since 06.
[/quote]

This article claims that her family thinks she committed suicide.

It also says that the video shows someone "falling," which to me makes it sound as though it's inconclusive as to whether she fell accidentally, on purpose by her own hand, or on purpose by someone else's hand.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081229/ap_on_re_us/missing_cruise_passenger

She looks very pretty in the picture attached to this article.

RIP Jennifer

[*boogins*]

I am not buying into the whole "suicide" deal 

It's obvious to me that the whole investigation on this was botched from the get go.

Coupled with the reports from the passengers in the cabin close to them saying that they heard yelling and "don't hit me" going on right before the time she went overboard, and then this from the article:

Raymond Seitz was arrested in April on a charge of domestic violence-battery after being accused of head-butting his wife. The charge was dropped after he entered a pretrial diversion program. Records show that she asked the prosecutor not to pursue the case.

tends to make me think differently.

[mishira]

[quote author=*boogins* link=topic=17898.msg1132474#msg1132474 date=1230595518]
I am not buying into the whole "suicide" deal 

It's obvious to me that the whole investigation on this was botched from the get go.

Coupled with the reports from the passengers in the cabin close to them saying that they heard yelling and "don't hit me" going on right before the time she went overboard, and then this from the article:

Raymond Seitz was arrested in April on a charge of domestic violence-battery after being accused of head-butting his wife. The charge was dropped after he entered a pretrial diversion program. Records show that she asked the prosecutor not to pursue the case.

tends to make me think differently.
[/quote]

Yeah, not sure I buy it either.

The quotes from the family in the article I posted were weird.  They were like, "Well, she had some emotional problems a few years ago.  But she was really happy now, upbeat both before and during the cruise, and looking forward to starting a new job when she got back.  However, we think she killed herself."

Huh?  Usually families cite "he/she was really happy and upbeat" as a reason they think a person didn't commit suicide.  Just struck me as odd.

[*boogins*]

[quote author=mishira link=topic=17898.msg1132484#msg1132484 date=1230596232]
Yeah, not sure I buy it either.

The quotes from the family in the article I posted were weird.  They were like, "Well, she had some emotional problems a few years ago.  But she was really happy now, upbeat both before and during the cruise, and looking forward to starting a new job when she got back.  However, we think she killed herself."

Huh?  Usually families cite "he/she was really happy and upbeat" as a reason they think a person didn't commit suicide.  Just struck me as odd.
[/quote]
Exactly.

"Emotional problems a few years ago" + "really happy now", "looking forward to a new job" does not equal "suicidal thoughts" to me. Of course, people with suicidal tendencies do tend put on a facade most of the time; but I just have a gut feeling about this one.

[Olivia]

DEFENDANT: SEITZ,RAYMOND
CASE NUMBER: 532008MM00409401XXBA
FILE DATE: 04/21/2008
CASE TYPE: MISDEMEANOR; DOMESTIC VIOLENCE BATTERY
STATUS: NOLLE PROSEQUI

https://www2.myfloridacounty.com/ccm/do/docket?county=53&data=7b5565cfb54949c41c054f22 a2657eb4


Apparently after she was meant to have fallen overboard, the husband went to the casino and spoke to someone there about 'changing his luck'

[Olivia]

Pic of the husband

Polk County records show her husband was arrested earlier this year on a misdemeanor charge of domestic battery for striking his wife. Seitz told a Polk sheriff's deputy that her husband grabbed her by the wrist and head-butted her on April 18, according to a report released Monday. The charge was dropped in June after he completed a diversionary program, according to court records. They also show that she asked the prosecutor not to pursue the case.



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28392898/

[LetzRyde]

[quote author=mishira link=topic=17898.msg1132459#msg1132459 date=1230594728]

It also says that the video shows someone "falling," which to me makes it sound as though it's inconclusive as to whether she fell accidentally, on purpose by her own hand, or on purpose by someone else's hand.

[/quote]

would you be able to tell me how this is possible?

[deeply shaded]

[quote author=Olivia link=topic=17898.msg1133137#msg1133137]
Apparently after she was meant to have fallen overboard, the husband went to the casino and spoke to someone there about 'changing his luck'
[/quote]

I think he meant something like, oh darn, my wife just fell overboard, surely my luck can only get better.

[quote author=LetzRyde link=topic=17898.msg1133202#msg1133202 date=1230640002]
would you be able to tell me how this is possible?
[/quote]

I believe he was lifting her up so she could get a better view and she wiggled from his grasp. Oh wait, she wasn't 2, was she?

[LetzRyde]

[quote author=deeply shaded link=topic=17898.msg1133254#msg1133254 date=1230647218]

I believe he was lifting her up so she could get a better view and she wiggled from his grasp. Oh wait, she wasn't 2, was she?
[/quote]

she was 2.......drunk, maybe. 

[deeply shaded]

[quote author=LetzRyde link=topic=17898.msg1133261#msg1133261 date=1230647761]
she was 2.......drunk, maybe. 
[/quote]

Could that even explain it? I've never been on a cruise ship. I would like to think they have 6 foot fences all around but I'm guessing they don't, huh?

[LetzRyde]

[quote author=deeply shaded link=topic=17898.msg1133264#msg1133264 date=1230648042]
Could that even explain it? I've never been on a cruise ship. I would like to think they have 6 foot fences all around but I'm guessing they don't, huh?
[/quote]

nope, wouldnt explain it.

i have been on several.  she either jumped.  or was thrown off.  das it.  you can not just fall off a cruise ship by accident.  it isnt possible, accidentally. 

[mialynneb]

[quote author=LetzRyde link=topic=17898.msg1133269#msg1133269 date=1230648237]
nope, wouldnt explain it.

i have been on several.   she either jumped.  or was thrown off.  das it.   you can not just fall off a cruise ship by accident.  it isnt possible, accidentally. 
[/quote]

You can if you're completely hammered and decide to play, "Let's get a better look at the ocean!"  I've mostly been on Norwegian and their railings weren't that high.  Plus, if you're in a room with a balcony the railing is up to your chest (I'm short, too). 

Not saying he possibly didn't throw her off but there are other possibilities. 

[LetzRyde]

[quote author=mialynneb link=topic=17898.msg1133308#msg1133308 date=1230652523]
You can if you're completely hammered and decide to play, "Let's get a better look at the ocean!"  I've mostly been on Norwegian and their railings weren't that high.  Plus, if you're in a room with a balcony the railing is up to your chest (I'm short, too). 

Not saying he possibly didn't throw her off but there are other possibilities. 
[/quote]

sorry.  you can NOT accidentally fall off a cruise ship.  you either jump.  or you are thrown off.

playing something like "Let's get a better look at the ocean" is not an accident.  thats purposely done.  if someone wants to climb onto something and falls, its not an accident.  you purposely climbed.  the result of death would be a direct result of climbing, and climbing is never accidentaly done. 

[*boogins*]

[quote author=LetzRyde link=topic=17898.msg1133314#msg1133314 date=1230653067]
sorry.   you can NOT accidentally fall off a cruise ship.   you either jump.  or you are thrown off.

playing something like "Let's get a better look at the ocean" is not an accident.  thats purposely done.  if someone wants to climb onto something and falls, its not an accident.  you purposely climbed.   the result of death would be a direct result of climbing, and climbing is never accidentaly done. 
[/quote]
I agree!
I am wondering if they are investigating any other surveillance cameras to see where her husband was between 8pm and 8:10pm that evening. To me, that would be the ONLY thing that would completely clear him of any wrong doing.

[LetzRyde]

[quote author=*boogins* link=topic=17898.msg1133329#msg1133329 date=1230653924]
I agree!
I am wondering if they are investigating any other surveillance cameras to see where her husband was between 8pm and 8:10pm that evening. To me, that would be the ONLY thing that would completely clear him of any wrong doing.

[/quote]

not so fast.    :lol:

its possible that no one really knows what happened.  if she jumped, only she knows.  if he threw her off, the two of them would know.  if he threw her and it was caught on camera, then....thats a dif story.

even if, he was seen on camera in the casino, doesnt clear him.  they need to investigate, completely.  there's always a chance he told someone else to throw her off while he was gambling.  or, someone could have tossed her while her husband was gambling.  too many variables.  only good detective work will solve this.

i have read where ppl are shocked that many hrs passed between the time she disappeared and the time he notified that he couldnt find her.  theres nothing shocking or suprising about that.  nothing at all.