Pro-Life Enough said.
Pro-Life Enough said.
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Pro-Life Enough said.
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not really, care to elaborate?
I dont agree with abortions..Thats why I said "enough said" I do believe its a personal choice..who am I to dictate or push my views on anyone...but personally I feel strongly about being Pro-Life.not really, care to elaborate?
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not really, care to elaborate?
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:lol:
I think if you don't personally believe in getting an abortion, but you DO believe that other people should make the choice themselves, then you are in fact pro-choice, not pro-life.
Thankyou..Ill wear that hat as wellyou are in fact pro-choice, not pro-life.
i consider myself pro-life and pro-choice.
i think people confuse pro-life with anti-choice. IMO they are very different.
i'm pro-live-your-own-mutha-fuckin'-life.
Yea.... I was about to say that pro-life is basically anti-choice. But Em swooped in....
Is there some kinda Bat-Signal Emmie gets for this shit?
Originally Posted by bowieluva
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Yea.... I was about to say that pro-life is basically anti-choice. But Em swooped in....
Is there some kinda Bat-Signal Emmie gets for this shit?
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it's a c.unt-signal. i'm sensitive like that. :lol:
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Sorry. As a post script, that wasn't so eloquent. I just can't stand people having no compassion because they were born american and deserve to be here.
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I never said don't let anyone live here from other countries. I have no problem with LEGAL immigration.
In other news...
I hope they come to their senses and get rid of this new non-stimulus program.
Whats the deal with this new childrens healthcare thing?
I read the article on foxnews, but am still pretty damn confused.
Anyone smarter than me care to explain it in simple terms? lol
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Whats the deal with this new childrens healthcare thing?
I read the article on foxnews, but am still pretty damn confused.
Anyone smarter than me care to explain it in simple terms? lol
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I have not heard of this...
But here is my guess...your kids get health care now, and then their tax money pays for it in twenty years, since our country cant afford jack shit right now...
Here's an article about it: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29011620
Sucks for smokers.
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Here's an article about it: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29011620
Sucks for smokers.
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Yeah...
Government run health care= major fail.
Wow, chompin. You know i like you but you absolutely have no idea what you are talking about in terms of healthcare. So glad you probably still have an incredible employer plan. Don't expect that to last! Hahag pgpdaka ok. Ugh. I'm so sad dashle was siderailed because he could have gotten something done. Although i agree: what the fuck is up with everyone and their taxes??
The Government will take care of Healthcare the same way that FEMA took care of New Orleans.
Different government now though. Horrible argument. We'll see, i guess.
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Different government now though.
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That's a nice dream. According to many FEMA is doing the same thing now in the Midwest ice storm.
Ok. Like i said. Talking about healthcare. Which will no doubt take years to fix. But to derail it now? Oh. I know about the ice storm. My aunt is in louieville. (sorry. Sure that's spelled wrong.) Yeah. It's devastating. Did i even mention katrina? I'm sorry. Not even comparable.
P.s. Just to clarify, i meant this devastating ice storm is not comparable to katrina, and i have no idea what either of them have to do with healthcare. gah. my god. Please give obama more than a fucking week!
Hyper just loves pissing on the parade. It's all he's got now. Let him have at it...he's got 4 years worth of complaining, minimum.
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Wow, chompin. You know i like you but you absolutely have no idea what you are talking about in terms of healthcare. So glad you probably still have an incredible employer plan. Don't expect that to last! Hahag pgpdaka ok. Ugh. I'm so sad dashle was siderailed because he could have gotten something done. Although i agree: what the fuck is up with everyone and their taxes??
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Really. Would you change your mind to find out I have no health care right now? Nothing. And yet I am bright enough to know that having our government run health care is a bad idea. If you took my comment as me saying the government should get rid of medicaid and medicare or any programs, that is not what I meant, only that that socialized health care is not the way to go...
Daschle is a fucktard tax cheat, just like two or three of the other nominees. Character means a lot, especially since Obama is already saying he has the most ethical administration, two weeks in, yet he keeps putting tax cheats up for nominations. Um...does...not...compute. Oh, but I cheated on my taxes, and listed my occupation as "Democrat/Obamamaniac." I should be good.
But really, the whole argument for socialized health care really stems on personal responsibility, which is a mantra dying quickly, day by day. You want cheaper health care, we need a healthier society. You want a healthier society, we all need to live healthier lives. This is "Cause and Effect 101." But we are too lazy for that, hell myself included, which is why I wont let someone else pay for any health problems that stem from my own irresponsibility.
So if we diminish the need for health care, by living better on our own, the system will settle down, and the other problems can then be fixed.
You totally undermine your argument with petty jabs like this. Some, maybe even most Politicians are corrupt. it has nothing to with party lines.Oh, but I cheated on my taxes, and listed my occupation as "Democrat/Obamamaniac." I should be good.
I certainly haven't seen the republican party running a wonderful campaign of honesty. "Oh should we pardon the guy sitting on death row who probably didn't kill anyone or the rich guy who stole billions of dollars from an economically bereft public? Definitely the rich guy."
I don't think a federal health program would work in a country as huge as America. IN the UK already, if I called and tried to get an appointment because I had a sore throat, the answer was like 'sure, a week from never' because the doctors were so booked. So I'd be forced to go to the ER for something fairly minor just to get medication. And the UK is A LOT smaller than America. I think health care should be a state mandated issue and I don't think there should ever be a situation where someone's little kid dies from antiquated and curable disease because their parents can't afford health insurance and it isn't provided by their jobs, if they have them.
Not to mention the insurance industry in general, which is the real problem. They cut my step-father off when he was dying from brain cancer because 'he reached his cap'. He'd lived two years on a six month diagnosis. Suddenly he was responsible for paying for every hospital visit (where a meal is $150) and every pill (each pill was about $100). he died within a month.
So that's what needs watching. The way hospitals and pharmacies charge, and the cold, callous way in which health insurance refuses to provide for those in need.
Heartwarming story out of Japan, they do have an excellent universal health plan otherwise.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090204/ap_on_re_as/as_japan_medical_care_denied
Injured man dies after rejection by 14 hospitals
By MARI YAMAGUCHI, Associated Press Writer Mari Yamaguchi, Associated Press Writer – Wed Feb 4, 3:27 pm ET
TOKYO – After getting struck by a motorcycle, an elderly Japanese man with head injuries waited in an ambulance as paramedics phoned 14 hospitals, each refusing to treat him.
He died 90 minutes later at the facility that finally relented — one of thousands of victims repeatedly turned away in recent years by understaffed and overcrowded hospitals in Japan.
Paramedics reached the accident scene within minutes after the man on a bicycle collided with a motorcycle in the western city of Itami. But 14 hospitals refused to admit the 69-year-old citing a lack of specialists, equipment and staff, according to Mitsuhisa Ikemoto, a fire department official.
The Jan. 20 incident was the latest in a string of recent cases in Japan in which patients were denied treatment, underscoring health care woes in a rapidly aging society that faces an acute shortage of doctors and a growing number of elderly patients.
One of the hospitals agreed to provide care when the paramedics called a second time more than an hour after the accident. But the man, who suffered head and back injuries, died soon afterward of shock from loss of blood.
The injured man might have survived if a hospital accepted him more quickly, Ikemoto said. "I wish hospitals are more willing to take patients, but they have their own reasons, too," he said.
The motorcyclist, also hurt in the accident, was denied admission by two hospitals before a third accepted him, Ikemoto said. He was recovering from his injuries.
The death prompted the city to issue a directive ordering paramedics to better coordinate with an emergency call center so patients can find a hospital within 15 minutes. But hospitals cannot be punished for turning away patients if they are full.
Similar problems have occurred frequently in recent years. More than 14,000 emergency patients were rejected at least three times by Japanese hospitals before getting treatment in 2007, the latest government survey showed.
In the worst case, a woman in her 70s with a breathing problem was rejected 49 times in Tokyo.
There was also the high-profile death of a pregnant woman in western Nara city in 2006 that prompted the government to establish a panel to look into the hospitals' practice of refusing care.
In that case, the woman was refused admission by 19 hospitals that said they were full. She died eight days later from a brain hemorrhage after falling unconscious during birth.
Health Minister Yoichi Masuzoe told a parliamentary committee last year that the rising number of elderly patients hospitalized for months was taking up space that could be used to treat emergency cases.
Masuzoe urged the development of a community-wide support system to ease the burden on hospitals. The government also announced plans to increase the number of doctors and improve coordination among ambulances, emergency call centers and hospitals.
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You totally undermine your argument with petty jabs like this. Some, maybe even most Politicians are corrupt. it has nothing to with party lines.
I certainly haven't seen the republican party running a wonderful campaign of honesty. "Oh should we pardon the guy sitting on death row who probably didn't kill anyone or the rich guy who stole billions of dollars from an economically bereft public? Definitely the rich guy."
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You are fucking kidding with this, right? Where were you before the election, giving people crap about their petty jabs against McCain. It was a joke, based on a reality. As I have exposed many times, and in response to the raving about Obama pre-election, he is nothing but a politician, nothing to be excited about. And none of them should be something to be excited about until they have actually did something. Four years from now, maybe a different story.
But see the problem with what you said above...the Bush Administration did not come out after two weeks and office and claim their "holier than thou" status, while at the same time putting three tax cheats (or is it up to four?) or folks with other issues, up for nomination to various posts. It is patently arrogant, unneeded, and indeed a petty jab at Bush, who was no saint, nor was his administration.
Fact is, they are pretty much unethical across the board, and in some ways they have to be. It is best not to claim otherwise, for the facade will be shredded.
Oh, and as far as your part on the health care...I am happy that you acknowledge across the board government health care wont work, and you did a good job of pointing out the current system's flaws. They suck, the system sucks, and I dont know how to fix it, but I know the first step is for us to be more preventive as individuals.
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