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Thread: Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlassHat View Post
    No. Like I said, Mary Winkler was charged with first degree murder, but they ultimately found her guilty of a lesser charge. During the trial the court can instruct the jury to find guilty of a lesser charge if they feel the current charge won't hold.

    This is from wiki;

    In criminal jury trials, the court is permitted (but not required) to instruct jurors that they can find the defendant guilty of the most serious crime charged, or of a lesser included offense of that crime (in English law, this is termed an alternative verdict). In murder cases, however, where a convicted defendant may face capital punishment, the United States Supreme Court has held that the court must instruct the jury that they may find the defendant guilty of a lesser included offense such as voluntary manslaughter.[1] The reasoning for this ruling is that jurors, given the options of convicting a less culpable killer or letting him go free, might opt to convict of a more serious crime than the facts warrant. Therefore, they must have at least one option that falls in between these extremes.
    Yeah I found some better websites that explained her case better. So, I wonder if by charging Jodi with 1st degree murder (premeditated) and first degree murder (felony murder), they hope to circumvent any lesser charges? So at least they have the death penalty or life in prison to choose from.
    Lurker checking in.

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    But that's what happened with Casey- it was pretty much all or nothing. They couldn't prove premeditated murder, so she got off.
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    oMG, yeah, no, AMY is in no way superior to Tara. Never.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YayMe View Post
    Yeah I found some better websites that explained her case better. So, I wonder if by charging Jodi with 1st degree murder (premeditated) and first degree murder (felony murder), they hope to circumvent any lesser charges? So at least they have the death penalty or life in prison to choose from.
    Well, the thing about that is that if the jury can't unanimously agree on one of those she'll walk. I don't think she'll walk, but there is a possibility. Who would have ever thought Casey Anthony would have walked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlassHat View Post
    Well, the thing about that is that if the jury can't unanimously agree on one of those she'll walk. I don't think she'll walk, but there is a possibility. Who would have ever thought Casey Anthony would have walked.
    But, there's always the chance the judge could instruct the jury to consider a lesser than first degree murder. That decision is made at some point during the trial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlassHat View Post
    Well, the thing about that is that if the jury can't unanimously agree on one of those she'll walk. I don't think she'll walk, but there is a possibility. Who would have ever thought Casey Anthony would have walked.
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    Ron was the best part, hands down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron_NYC View Post
    Was she innocent too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlassHat View Post
    Was she innocent too?
    I wouldn't know. I wasn't there.
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    Ron was the best part, hands down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by morbidT View Post
    The person probably popped. Literally, and that's why it smelled all of a sudden (with in hours/a day). The body bloats and once it gets to a certain point, the skin weakens, and will pop. The warmer the environment the quicker it happens.
    that is sooooooo gross. it doesn't matter though since jodi killed him. the roommates aren't in question. right ron?
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    Quote Originally Posted by animosity View Post
    that is sooooooo gross. it doesn't matter though since jodi killed him. the roommates aren't in question. right ron?
    There were roommates? Oh, hell yea they're in question!
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    Ron was the best part, hands down.

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    I love how you know nothing about this case, Ron- except for Jodi's unwavering innocence.
    Quote Originally Posted by bowieluva View Post
    oMG, yeah, no, AMY is in no way superior to Tara. Never.

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    I put a couple bloated body pics in the disgusting pic thread.


    Quote Originally Posted by blighted star View Post
    ..... it wasn't anything personal, she just mistook him for a serial killer......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nancy Drew View Post
    I love how you know nothing about this case, Ron- except for Jodi's unwavering innocence.
    Quote Originally Posted by bowieluva View Post
    Ron was the best part, hands down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlassHat View Post
    Was she innocent too?
    Of first degree murder? Apparently so.

    Of being a lousy parent... Not so much. To bad they didn't charge her with a crime they could prove.
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    lol at Nestle being some vicious smiter, she's the nicest person on this site besides probably puzzld. Or at least the last person to resort to smiting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by puzzld View Post
    Of first degree murder? Apparently so.

    Of being a lousy parent... Not so much. To bad they didn't charge her with a crime they could prove.
    To be honest, I never thought she was guilty of first degree murder. And I really didn't think she was a lousy parent, either. By all accounts she was a very loving mother. At least it appeared that way in the home videos and pictures. I know Casey was a self-serving narcissist, but really I blame the parents for enabling her and all of her bad behavior. They were clearly one big dysfunctional family, and that's probably and understatement. I think whatever happened to Caylee, it was an accident and Casey was there and/or participated in/witnessed it got scared and covered it up. Too bad the prosecution didn't have their shit together enough to prove that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by morbidT View Post
    I put a couple bloated body pics in the disgusting pic thread.
    Blech, after seeing the Jenni Rivera footage (with my eyes squinted, no less), I don't even know if I want to ATTEMPT the disgusting pic thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nerdmiga View Post
    Blech, after seeing the Jenni Rivera footage (with my eyes squinted, no less), I don't even know if I want to ATTEMPT the disgusting pic thread.
    have you seen the Luka Magnotta video? i thought it was a joke when people told me about it, so i had to see for myself. i will never be able to unsee it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by comfort80 View Post
    have you seen the Luka Magnotta video? i thought it was a joke when people told me about it, so i had to see for myself. i will never be able to unsee it.
    I have not. Damn curiosity!

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    Links! I haven't seen either but the body on the disgusting pic thread isn't that bad...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImBatman! View Post
    Links! I haven't seen either but the body on the disgusting pic thread isn't that bad...
    ill pm you link for the luka magnotta video

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    I'm ready for this to go to trial and see what new evidence they have to present, if any. I just read that it should start on 1/2/13, but I'm not holding my breath that Jodi won't get it delayed again...

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    Man, Jodi is starting to look bad.
    Quote Originally Posted by bowieluva View Post
    Ron was the best part, hands down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImBatman! View Post
    Ok I get it if Jodi wants to claim self defense but one gun shot to the face would probably do it!! She is not going to get off with one gun shot, 27 stab wounds and a slit throat I don't think!
    The gunshot wound to his forehead was super small. Almost looked like it was caused by a BB gun. I'm not sure if the mark on the back of his head was an exit wound or if it was a knife wound...



    I always thought that exit wounds were large, but I might just be thinking movies (?).... and definitely not sure that a .22 would go all the way through his skull.

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    I see that one of Jodi's detectives has been active recently.

    Welcome back Bud!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mydeathspace View Post
    The gunshot wound to his forehead was super small. Almost looked like it was caused by a BB gun. I'm not sure if the mark on the back of his head was an exit wound or if it was a knife wound...



    I always thought that exit wounds were large, but I might just be thinking movies (?).... and definitely not sure that a .22 would go all the way through his skull.
    Depends on the size of the bullet. Bigger bullet usually means bigger exit wound. Entrance wounds are usually pretty small. Or if you get particular bullets... For example hollow-point bullets will do significantly more damage.

    A 22 at point blank range could easily go through, I would imagine. From across a room, not so much.

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